weight lifting program for Tennis

External Since: Oct 29, 2005 Posts: 614

Dnia 2006-12-04 Pete napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> All this (this being sports performance, training, elite achievement,
>>> etc.) is rather moot, too, as I believe Pete has little, if any,
>>> interest in tennis but great interest in Serena's physique which leads
>>> me back to God BLESS Mother Nature and her creations!
>
>> So, you tell me that all that time I discussed Serena Wiliams ass?
>
> Hahaha!
>
>> Serena doesn't even look especially attractive to my eye.
>
> Most men i speak to dont find her sexy.
>
> I think she is incredebly sexy, even more so when she is angry.
>
> If she walked up to me and said "You are my Bitch, i control YOU!", i might
> even say;
>
> Yes i am, you control me... But i insist she says in in Dutch.

Do you think that she would let you choose in which language she would
speak to her bitch?

>> Well, better than average, but there are plenty of way prettier girls in a
>> local bar most weekends.
>
> Not with an ass like that.
> There arent any black girls in Poland

That's what I'm saying.

>> Very tiny waist and (over)developed hips and tights, but she's still
>> pretty.
>
> I dont think thats overdeveloped.
>
> I like the Asian female weightlifters.
> Nice quads and glutes.

For me Marilou would be borderline. Most of those girls would look much
better to me, if they didn't have so much quads and glutes.

Anyway, probably biggest quads and glutes in the business belong to
Agata Wrobel.
http://www.obieg.pl/calendar2005/img/boys03.jpg
She's from a small town I worked in for some years. Real beauty, isn't
she? And you have to say, that she can control a bitch well enough. Wink

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

External Since: Oct 23, 2006 Posts: 6

Curt wrote:
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-12-04 Curt napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
>>>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>>>> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
>
> Nice game of ping pong there, innit?
>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> re Pete's offering of
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nieuwsinfo.nl/images/12003ausopen367.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd say that's at least 90% Mother Nature, Pete. ;o)
>>>>>>> God BLESS Her on her creations, eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If she achieved 90% of her present level, Pete wouldn't
>>>>>> be able to Google her out. She would be nobody among
>>>>>> other nobodies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that true, Andrzej?
>>>>
>>>> It is.
>>>
>>> I don't believe that's correct. (Doesn't mean it's not, of course,
>>> but there you have it.)
>>>
>>>> Try imagining that a 10s sprinter developed only 90% of his
>>>> present level. He becomes roughly 11s sprinter, which is
>>>> nobodyness.
>>>
>>> You're comparing apples and oranges, imo and fwiw.
>>>
>>>>> http://sportsline.com/tennis/rankings/wta
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams
>>>>>
>>>>> She's been a pro tennis player since 1995 (at age 14!) and,
>>>>> although she's ranked 95 currently, from what I see in Wiki, she
>>>>> was ranked 21 by the Women's Tennis Association in 1999.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 100 ranked female tennis player? I was "able to Google her
>>>>> out." Likewise, I suspect that Serena, had she only achieved 90%
>>>>> of her accomplishments, would also have been someone Pete would
>>>>> have been able to find with a search engine's help.
>>>>
>>>> It's not possible to guess where on top100 she would end up while
>>>> being able to deliver 90% of what she could.
>>>
>>> It's not? Where are the math wizards (or anyone with a calculator)?
>>> She had been ranked 21 and then she dropped to 95 over a period of
>>> time. That's a calculable drop, right? There's a way to represent
>>> that calculable drop as a percent, isn't there?
>>>
>>> Likewise, if Serena can achieve X accomplishment with Y amount of
>>> skill then if you take Y and multiply it by 90%, shouldn't you be
>>> able to calculate X as well?
>>
>> You seem to assume that an athlete who develops 90% ability will
>> receive 90% results.
>
> Perhaps. I believe I asked more questions than I made assumptions,
> however.
>
>> I tried to show you how crazy assumption it is, by my sprinter
>> example. With high jump, for example, 10% is like 24 cm difference.
>> You are
>> out of business by the time your high jump goes down by 24 cm.
>
> Interesting, but aren't there more variables with tennis than there
> are with a straight sprint or a high jump?
>
> [...]
>
>>> Still, if Serena was ranked 21 at, say, 99% effort then she'd be
>>> where at 89% effort? She'd fall off the charts? And even if she
>>> would, she was still in the public's eye while she was off the WTA
>>> top 100. I think she dropped to 300 something. But that's looking
>>> at it from her diminishing from a point of peak performance. You
>>> presented it as never having reached where she has with her current
>>> ability. Where would she have been if she had only "achieved 90% of
>>> her present level," as you commented originally?
>>
>> One could find measurable sport,
>
> And so, in your opinion, is tennis measurable sport?
>
>> and see where are people who fall 10% behind an elite levels. The
>> more competitive sport we find, the more punishment for small drop
>> in performance.
>
> I agree with the sprint and, yes, the high jump examples, but, again,
> is tennis a parallel to either of those?
>
>>> Perhaps there's not a way to calculate that,
>
> Is there?
>
>>> however, since you state it's "not possible to guess where"
>>> Serena would be at 90% then I'll use that as my free pass
>>> in saying, yeah, she'd be Googleable.
>>
>> Details are not important
>
> They're not, eh? So does that mean I can or cannot use my "not
> possible to guess" free pass?
>
>> as long as you got what I meant.
>
> Yes, so far as sprint and high jump, but, again, are those sports
> comparable to tennis so far as this discussion is concerned?
>
>> I don't expect you to show scientific calculations of your 90%
>> number too.
>
> How very generous of you. ;o)
>
>>>>> Regardless, Serena's physique is courtesy of her parents. Boom!
>>>>> I'm guessing she'd look as she looks even if she'd never played
>>>>> tennis, never spoke to a trainer, never did anything but ate and
>>>>> breathed.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe it. Much.
>>>
>>> Okay. I won't argue your ability to believe. Much. ;o)
>>
>> Makes sense.
>
> yes
>
>>>>> Again, I'm guessing that maybe ten percent of her
>>>>> physique/appearance may've come from her participation in tennis
>>>>> - weight training, supplements, competitions, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Can you imagine Serena as a sprinter? Would she look exactly the
>>>> same? Or as a marathon runner, for that matter. Would she look
>>>> still the same?
>>>
>>> Marion Jones was a basketball star before she became a track star.
>>> (Or perhaps she was track then basketball then track. Hmm. My
>>> memory!) Has her physique changed?
>>
>> I don't know if it changed much. If Pyrros Dimas turned into
>> basketball his physique wouldn't change much too, but what does it
>> show?
>
> What? Hey, Andrzej, that's all Greek to me.
>
>
>
> (um, ba dump bump, btw)
>
> Dimas, at almost 5'8", and considered the best Greek weightlifter of
> all time, is just a leeeetle bit taller than Will Brink, fwiw.
>
> Spud Webb is shorter than Dimas. But as to what does it show? I don't
> know.
>
>>> Serena would never have been a marathoner, imo.
>>
>> Why not?
>
> I do, however, know that there's no current female marathoner (or male
> marathoner for that matter) with Selena's physique. Certainly it's a
> case of apples and oranges, or, maybe apples and pears.

I would say its more a matter of watermelons........they are HUGE!!!

>
> http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=7656162 is the one URL
> that popped up from a quick Google search of "body structure and
> sports performance" that I believe is applicable to this discussion
> (or, more accurately, my point of view).
>
> That document's title is _Body structure, somatotype, maturation and
> motor performance of girls in ballet schooling_ and my point, if there
> even is one, would be that people often gravitate to sports or
> activities that their bodies are generally suited for.
>
> To wit (and to repeat):
>
>>> A tall guy will be steered to the basketball court. A guy with a
>>> barrel chest and short arms will be directed to the weight room.
>>> Still, there are countless variables.
>>>
>>> Serena could train and then complete a marathon. I'm certain of
>>> that. To answer your question, I'll say she'd slim down as she put
>>> in the necessary miles in preparation, however I doubt very much
>>> she'd ever reach the top competitors in that sport simply because
>>> it's not her bodytype.
>>
>> Everyone who will go through a marathoner training schedule will
>> achieve this bodytype.
>
> What? I believe you are *incredibly* wrong. Frank Shorter compared to
> Bill Kazmaier much? You certainly don't believe the reverse is true?
> Frank could train until his hands bleed and he'd never "achieve this
> bodytype." I'm averse to blanket statements, but I'm leaning toward
> uttering ~*EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU SAY THAT THEN YOU ARE WRONG!*~
>
>> Including Serena and Pyrros Dimas. What is questionable
>
> Andrzej, I mean it, I'm >< that close to typing "~*EACH AND EVERY TIME
> YOU SAY THAT THEN YOU ARE WRONG!*~"
>
> Please don't test me.
>
>> is if they would be able to get anywhere near the elite level. This
>> might not happen, but physique transformation is an easy
>> task for a sportsman or sportswoman of proved dedication.
>
> Tell that to Frank Shorter as he attempts to bench 600 pounds.
>
>>> And you said sprinter. Do you know Serena's sprint times? ;o)
>>
>> No. Are they within 110% of top sprinter times? Quite possibly
>> better than that. Still, as a sprinter she wouldn't be mightily
>> successful
>> with those times.
>
> Okay, THAT really IS Greek to me.
>
> Which is fine, honestly, as I love ouzo.
>
>> Andrzej Rosa 1127R
>
> All this (this being sports performance, training, elite achievement,
> etc.) is rather moot, too, as I believe Pete has little, if any,
> interest in tennis but great interest in Serena's physique which leads
> me back to God BLESS Mother Nature and her creations!