weight lifting program for Tennis

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:

>> All this (this being sports performance, training, elite achievement,
>> etc.) is rather moot, too, as I believe Pete has little, if any,
>> interest in tennis but great interest in Serena's physique which leads
>> me back to God BLESS Mother Nature and her creations!

> So, you tell me that all that time I discussed Serena Wiliams ass?

Hahaha!

> Serena doesn't even look especially attractive to my eye.

Most men i speak to dont find her sexy.

I think she is incredebly sexy, even more so when she is angry.

If she walked up to me and said "You are my Bitch, i control YOU!", i might
even say;

Yes i am, you control me... But i insist she says in in Dutch.

> Well, better than average, but there are plenty of way prettier girls in a
> local
> bar most weekends.

Not with an ass like that.
There arent any black girls in Poland

> Very tiny waist and (over)developed hips and tights, but she's still
> pretty.

I dont think thats overdeveloped.

I like the Asian female weightlifters.
Nice quads and glutes.

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"Tom Anderson" <twic.RemoveThis@urchin.earth.li> schreef:

> I have saved both these images for later analysis.

> As a control, i will also examine images of Maria Sharapova. Furthermore,
> i may conduct a thought experiment involving Williams and Sharapova
> together.

Stop teasing me.

I know what you are gonna do....

Lock them up together for a very long long time with a rubber device?

The question of course, isnt, will they use it or not. Of course they will.

But who is gonna strap it on ?!?!?!

THATS the question!

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> "blakesq" <blakesq RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165247427.300086.278860@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Amazing. Twice I asked for a weight lifting program for tennis, and
> you people just type answers to questions I never asked. No wonder
> talking to "trainers" is a waste of time, just like the time my wife
> wasted over $500 with a trainer, who could not even be bothered to
> write down 1 workout for her. I already work out at a gym, been
> working out for 25 years...I just wanted to tailor my workout to help
> my tennis game more, and thought I could get some good direction here.
> Boy, was I wrong.

You did receive some good advice here, and as is typical in public
forums like Usenet, a lot of garbage as well. Most of the people here
aren't trainers, just folks who lift weights. If you'll take the time
to sort through this thread, you should be able to take away some things
to try for yourself.

One thing I don't see in this thread is you mentioning what you
currently do at the gym, but that would have made a better starting
point for the conversation. The concept of "a weight lifting program
for Tennis" is overly simple, or at the very least, overly vague for you
to expect a detailed program in response. There are plenty of online
sources of workout routines, and also plenty of tennis magazines you can
buy which will give you ideas as well.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-12-03 blakesq napisa³(a):
> > What I am actually looking for is a weight lifting program for
> > Tennis.
> > Something to help with my serves, forehand, backhand, and movement
> > on
> > the court, as well as stamina. I am really hoping for a program,
> > stating exercises, and numbers of sets. I make it to the gym about
> > two
> > to three times a week, and I play twice a week.
>
> Are you dedicated enough to buy a dumbbell? If yes, we could work
> something effective based on assumed fact that you can dedicate 15 min
> a day. 15 min a day are better than 30 min every other day, which in
> turns is better than an hour every two days.
>
> If you aren't dedicated enough to do that, go to a gym twice a week.
> Still, IMHO, best thing you can probably do in a commercial gym is
> dumbbell work. Plenty of swings, snatches, cleans, and so on. In
> case
> your gym prohibits overhead lifting (I heard that it happens) you have
> the machines. In this case go through a machine circuit with short
> rest intervals. Pair pulling movements with pushing movements and go
> for density, which means that you try to do a lot of work within the
> time you have available. Try to stress yourself, but do not kill
> yourself. Go by feel. I won't give you any reps and sets. I tell
> you
> to learn by experience when you go too far.
>
> Consider getting outside on your off days. Do a lot of agility
> drills.
> For example, sprint for 20 steps, fall to the ground and jump up for
> 20, and that is one rep. Do twenty of this reps. Or find two trees
> in
> a park and run around them. Fast run one way, sharp left turn, fast
> run the other way, sharp right turn. That's one rep. Do twenty.
> Find
> a staircase and sprint up, walk down. That's one rep. I think that
> you get the idea by now.
>
> Try to do something every day. If you have no time to do something
> real, simulate doing something. If you can't even simulate, pretend
> that you are simulating doing something. Every day.
>
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"Curt" <curtjames.DeleteThis@gmail.com> schreef:

> http://www.mariasharapovaonline.info/maria-sharapova-13.jpg
> http://www.sitevip.net/maria-sharapova/images/index.gif
> http://www.mariasharapova.com/

> YOWZA!

Strange that you are sexually attracted to both Serena and Maria.

Sure, i like different women. Besides black, i find Asian and Hispanic women
attractive. (prefferably a mixture of the afforementioned) but they must
have one thing in common.

I WOULD like to see some meat on them bones.

Maria isnt even slim, she is borderline anorexic. I believe she is 1.84
meters, 57 kilos.

Serena is 1.78 meters, 68 kilo. Thats a HUGE difference.

And thats only weight/height. The way the weight is distributed is very,
very different. The way they move/walk is also very different.

Maria is a bit shy, timide, where i saw Serena a few times ready to rip off
the Umpires head!

Two ends of a spectrum, i guess...

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Pete wrote:
> "Curt" <curtjames DeleteThis @gmail.com> schreef:
>
>> http://www.mariasharapovaonline.info/maria-sharapova-13.jpg


Now that IS sexy; apart from the oversize feet !!!

>> http://www.sitevip.net/maria-sharapova/images/index.gif
>> http://www.mariasharapova.com/
>
>> YOWZA!
>
> Strange that you are sexually attracted to both Serena and Maria.
>
> Sure, i like different women. Besides black, i find Asian and
> Hispanic women attractive. (prefferably a mixture of the
> afforementioned) but they must have one thing in common.
>
> I WOULD like to see some meat on them bones.
>
> Maria isnt even slim, she is borderline anorexic. I believe she is
> 1.84 meters, 57 kilos.
>
> Serena is 1.78 meters, 68 kilo. Thats a HUGE difference.
>
> And thats only weight/height. The way the weight is distributed is
> very, very different. The way they move/walk is also very different.
>
> Maria is a bit shy, timide, where i saw Serena a few times ready to
> rip off the Umpires head!
>
> Two ends of a spectrum, i guess...
>
> ----
> Pete



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"Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>>> http://www.mariasharapovaonline.info/maria-sharapova-13.jpg

> Now that IS sexy; apart from the oversize feet !!!

You guys have weird taste in women...

She looks like a 10 year old boy.

I prefer this;

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0307/19/serena.jpg

And this;

http://www.assmasterpiecepage.com/fhg/jav/043/pics/007.jpg

And this;

http://www.msasslikewhoa.com/videostore/pics/beauty10.jpg

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 06:04:05 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-12-04 gedaloda.DeleteThis@thisguy.com napisa³(a):
>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:07:57 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can't measure progress in the same way as you measure incremental
>> increases with free weights. My weight plates go from 50 pounds to
>> 1/4 lb. However, it's not a big challenge to know that you have made
>> progress with bands or tubing. There are bands with different levels
>> of resistance and there are published exercises in the beginner,
>> intermediate, and advanced categories. One knows when exercises
>> become easier to perform. One can use bands/tubing to
>> make/measure/judge progress with free weights and/or in one's sport of
>> choice. Sometimes the judgement involved is partially subjective.
>>
>> For example, Bruce Baumgartner, 4 time
>> Olympic medalist stated:(wrestling)
>>
>> "I have used Lifeline Power Cables for training and rehabilitation
>> throughout my athletic and coaching career. World and Olympic level
>> athletes continue to use Lifeline cables for their durability and
>> function - both in rehabilitation and sport-specific training."
>> http://www.lifelineusa.com/products.cfm?categoryid=2
>
>Actually I use some cables in my training. It's a spring loaded Chest
>Expander kind of exerciser, and I use it to work on my shoulder
>flexibility.
>
>See? There is a quality I want to develop, so I take whatever
>equipment works for it. I could do it with a broomstick, but cables
>work better so I use cables.
>
>>>Track athletes do not perform discuss "throws" against bands, last time
>>>I checked. Yes. Let's have a look at what various throwers do. Do
>>>they train a lot of "sport specific" moves with added resistance? Well,
>>>at times they may decide to throw overweight or underweight implement
>>>to fix some technical problem, but the extent of utility of this kind
>>>of training is constantly discussed. Some say that excess of use of
>>>this kind of training will spoil the technique, so it should be used
>>>judiciously.
>>
>>
>> I don't know how many trainers use ERT with throwers, but a quick
>> Google search shows that equipment and training tips are available on
>> this subject.
>>
>> http://www.everythingtrackandfield.com/detail.aspx_Q_ID_E_3810_A_rnd_E_12
>>
>> http://www.throwfarther.org/training/
>
>Second link shows some Westside inspired training. Not exactly what
>other links suggest, but funny enough, in between I stumbled upon a
>link with article where some javelin thrower performed crossover with
>some cables attached. I still think that he thrown well instead of
>this use of cables, not thanks to it.
>
>[I cut a lot. It became lengthy.]
>>>Unluckily, it doesn't do much for shoulder stability. Heavy overhead
>>>supports, on the other hand, do help.
>>
>> Overhead lifting done incorrectly can cause problems. Overhead
>> lifting done correctly can be very helpful. Resistive bands can be
>> useful in tennis. One such exercise is elbow extension with shoulder
>> abduction (serve simulation) (triceps)
>
>There are plenty of similar exercises which can be done with free
>weights, or just bodyweight.
>
>> One stands with band/tubing under one foot and shoulder at about 100
>> degrees and elbow bent 90 degrees. Lean to the side with trunk
>> approximately 30 degrees to simulate the serving position, and extend
>> elbow. Slowly return elbow to serving position and repeat.
>>
>> Stabilize arm using other hand to ensure that shoulder stays in
>> serving position. Avoid placing shoulder in overhead position because
>> during serve the shoulder is only elevated 90-100 degrees due to side
>> bend of trunk.
>
>I think that it's rather nonsense. A serve is a full body movement and
>to develop good serve one needs to train full body. I'd be glad to
>know if for example Ab-wheel doesn't work what's important much better
>than tricep extension (which is called a serve simulation to muddle the
>waters ).

I have a single Ab wheel too. Good for the lats and the abs.
The skinny single wheel makes it a stabilization and balance workout
as well.

Bands/tubing are not used exclusively to partially simulate
sports-specific movements. They should also be used (along with other
equipment or no equipment) for general conditioning and strength
training. Full body, compound lifts with free weights are great.

All in all, I'd rather have a great tennis coach and lots of practice
time than any kind of strength training for tennis. But I don't have
to choose just one thing.
>
>> Nothing wrong with doing DB presses or side-presses. Rubber bands
>> which utilize progressive variable resistance might even help you to
>> develop explosive power to move beyond your current sticking point.
>> I'm sure everyone here knows that bands are often used in conjunction
>> with barbells by many accomplished lifters.
>>
>> Rubber bands are also great for performing exercises with different
>> directions of motion. You can exercise multiple joints and planes in
>> the more functional standing position.
>
>With all those "functional" planes I also have some reservations.
>
>[...]
>>>Or many other equipments. Anyway, I remember seeing a video of
>>>training of heavyweight UFC fighter. He did sled drags and tire flips.
>>>No harm in it, from my point of view. They also attached a lot of
>>>bands to his limbs and core and he trained take-downs against all that
>>>resistance and a sparring partner, which struck me as stupid. The idea
>>>was to develop muscular endurance which would allow him to fight longer
>>>at high level of output. Anyway, it didn't worked much. He got winded
>>>while rolling on the mat with the other guy, which might not happened if
>>>instead of playing Spiderman he would train wrestling to the point of
>>>exhaustion. Like Fedor does, for example.
>>
>> I'm not sure I get the idea of training muscular endurance in this
>> way. That's sounds like too much resistance for training strength
>> endurance.
>
>They used relatively light bands, and like a ten of them, or something
>in this range. The idea was to make this guy work against constant
>tension for extended periods of time, like several minutes.

OK. If he can work this for several minutes at a time, this
contraption might be useful for training strength-endurance.
Wrestlers (like Bruce Baumgartner) have used bands (and free weights
of various types) to good advantage.

>> Or maybe I'm wrong about this. Anyway, for the sake of
>> argument, let's say this was a poor training technique. If so, the
>> conclusion isn't that resistive bands and tubing are contraindicated
>> for fighters.
>
>Sure. I never wrote much about bands. All the time I write about
>training methodologies, not equipment.
>
>[...]
>>>Equipment again. What sort of quality will band training develop
>>>better than other kinds of training?
>>
>> Covered above. Multiple planes of resistance - frontal, sagittal ans
>> transverse.
>
>Yeah. True. Still, I'm somehow reluctant in admitting that all those
>fancy planes make much sense in real world. I mean, I've seen videos
>of athletes doing some really strange pulley moves to develop some
>supposedly important "planes" instead of doing something productive,
>like training or resting.
>
>> Good for replicating whole-body, multiple-joint movements
>> of functional activities.
>
>That's what I don't like about them.
>
>> Smooth eccentric resistance. Allows faster
>> movements and plyometric exercises. Progressive variable resistance.
>> Strength curves similar to strength curves of human joints.
>>
>> I have no plans to throw away my free weights.
>>
>> As far as tennis is concerned, give me an OK racquet, an OK court, the
>> right type of competition, lots of practice/playing time, a backboard,
>> and a great coach. Iron and/or rubber can't substitute for any of
>> this
>
>Make sense. Sure.
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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>>> http://www.mariasharapovaonline.info/maria-sharapova-13.jpg
>
>> Now that IS sexy; apart from the oversize feet !!!
>
> You guys have weird taste in women...
>
> She looks like a 10 year old boy.
>
> I prefer this;
>
> http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0307/19/serena.jpg
>
> And this;
>
> http://www.assmasterpiecepage.com/fhg/jav/043/pics/007.jpg
>
> And this;
>
> http://www.msasslikewhoa.com/videostore/pics/beauty10.jpg
>
> ----
> Pete

You're a strange man, Pete.

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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>>> http://www.mariasharapovaonline.info/maria-sharapova-13.jpg
>
>> Now that IS sexy; apart from the oversize feet !!!
>
> You guys have weird taste in women...
>
> She looks like a 10 year old boy.

For the record Pete, my youngest lad is 10 years old and he looks ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING like that!!! However, his mother is similarly tall and lean !!

>
> I prefer this;
>
> http://www.aftonbladet.se/sport/0307/19/serena.jpg
>
> And this;
>
> http://www.assmasterpiecepage.com/fhg/jav/043/pics/007.jpg
>
> And this;
>
> http://www.msasslikewhoa.com/videostore/pics/beauty10.jpg
>
> ----
> Pete



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Dnia 2006-12-04 Bully napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>
>> Actually I use some cables in my training. It's a spring loaded Chest
>> Expander kind of exerciser, and I use it to work on my shoulder
>> flexibility.
>>
>> See? There is a quality I want to develop, so I take whatever
>> equipment works for it. I could do it with a broomstick, but cables
>> work better so I use cables.
>
> Would you care to expand further?

I do something like here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f8mfWaU6lY

Generally, I try to stretch my shoulders using band tension as a tool.

> Shoulder flexibility is something I
> believe I really need to work on as it is, I believe, compromising my push
> press. I also want to include some overhead squats but I can't use anything
> more than about 50/60kg as the weight sits too far forward and I'm forced to
> [sort of] support it with forearm strength!!

Then you are one strong SOB!

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
[...]

> Anyway, probably biggest quads and glutes in the
> business belong to Agata Wrobel.
> http://www.obieg.pl/calendar2005/img/boys03.jpg
> She's from a small town I worked in for some years.
> Real beauty, isn't she?

Quite.

Is than an emergency eye wash the other person is using?

"MY EYES! MY EYES! OH, MY LORD, MY EYYYYYYEEEESSS!!!"

[...]

> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-12-04 Bully napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I use some cables in my training. It's a spring loaded
>>> Chest Expander kind of exerciser, and I use it to work on my
>>> shoulder flexibility.
>>>
>>> See? There is a quality I want to develop, so I take whatever
>>> equipment works for it. I could do it with a broomstick, but cables
>>> work better so I use cables.
>>
>> Would you care to expand further?
>
> I do something like here
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f8mfWaU6lY

Nice one, I'll get my theraband out. I had tried these w/broomstick after
reading t-nation article but it wasn't happening !!!

>
> Generally, I try to stretch my shoulders using band tension as a tool.
>
>> Shoulder flexibility is something I
>> believe I really need to work on as it is, I believe, compromising
>> my push press. I also want to include some overhead squats but I
>> can't use anything more than about 50/60kg as the weight sits too
>> far forward and I'm forced to [sort of] support it with forearm
>> strength!!
>
> Then you are one strong SOB!

Yeah, totally awesome dooood !!!



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Pete wrote:
> "Curt" <curtjames.RemoveThis@gmail.com> schreef:
>
> > http://www.mariasharapovaonline.info/maria-sharapova-13.jpg
> > http://www.sitevip.net/maria-sharapova/images/index.gif
> > http://www.mariasharapova.com/
>
> > YOWZA!
>
> Strange that you are sexually attracted to both Serena and Maria.

Hey, have you heard the old maxim, "Variety is the spice of life."?

> Sure, i like different women. Besides black, i find Asian and Hispanic women
> attractive. (prefferably a mixture of the afforementioned) but they must
> have one thing in common.
>
> I WOULD like to see some meat on them bones.

Yes, meat (in the right areas) is greatly appreciated.

> Maria isnt even slim, she is borderline anorexic. I believe she is 1.84
> meters, 57 kilos.

She has a gorgeous face, nice rack, and legs from the floor to the sky.
But, yes, beyond slim.

> Serena is 1.78 meters, 68 kilo. Thats a HUGE difference.

Awe-inspiring glutes. Athletic, sexy, the bomb.

> And thats only weight/height. The way the weight is distributed is very,
> very different. The way they move/walk is also very different.
>
> Maria is a bit shy, timide, where i saw Serena a few times ready to rip off
> the Umpires head!
>
> Two ends of a spectrum, i guess...

True.

> Pete

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