weight lifting program for Tennis

Tom Anderson wrote:
> Pete wrote:
> > "Curt" schreef:
> >
> >>> Try whatever this particular girl is doing;
> >>>
> >>> http://www.nieuwsinfo.nl/images/12003ausopen367.jpg
> >
> > That girl has some potential...
> >
> > http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h260/BrickCityShyne/SerenaWiliamsAss.jpg
> >
> > According to GooGle, this is her.
> >
> > I have my doubts...
>
> I have saved both these images for later analysis.
>
> As a control, i will also examine images of Maria Sharapova. Furthermore,
> i may conduct a thought experiment involving Williams and Sharapova
> together.

I'd gladly volunteer to assist in any research, but I'm too busy
looking for the apricot.

> tom

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> find porn apricot

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"Charles" <jrh.RemoveThis@msn.com> schreef:

>>> Try to do something every day. If you have no time to do something
>>> real, simulate doing something. If you can't even simulate, pretend
>>> that you are simulating doing something. Every day.

>>I do that when i run out of meds....

> Increase the stack...

> Yes!

I have a better one...

I will create an entirely new stack!

Something the World... HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE !!!

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:51:01 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh.DeleteThis@msn.com> schreef:
>
>>>> Try to do something every day. If you have no time to do something
>>>> real, simulate doing something. If you can't even simulate, pretend
>>>> that you are simulating doing something. Every day.
>
>>>I do that when i run out of meds....
>
>> Increase the stack...
>
>> Yes!
>
>I have a better one...
>
>I will create an entirely new stack!
>
>Something the World... HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE !!!
>

Go for it Dutchman... KERPOW!!!
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"Curt" <curtjames.DeleteThis@gmail.com> schreef:

>> Try whatever this particular girl is doing;

>> http://www.nieuwsinfo.nl/images/12003ausopen367.jpg

>> Might work...

> I'd say that's at least 90% Mother Nature, Pete. ;o) God BLESS Her on
> her creations, eh?

Mother Nature at his best!

That girl has some potential...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h260/BrickCityShyne/SerenaWiliamsAss.jpg

According to GooGle, this is her.

I have my doubts...

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-12-04 Curt napisa³(a):
> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> >> Dnia 2006-12-04 Curt napisa³(a):
> >> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> >> >> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
> >> >> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> >> >> >> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
> >
> > Nice game of ping pong there, innit?
>
> Yes, not bad.

)

> [...]
> > All this (this being sports performance, training, elite achievement,
> > etc.) is rather moot, too, as I believe Pete has little, if any,
> > interest in tennis but great interest in Serena's physique which leads
> > me back to God BLESS Mother Nature and her creations!
>
> So, you tell me that all that time I discussed Serena Wiliams ass?

HA!

> Serena doesn't even look especially attractive to my eye. Well, better
> than average, but there are plenty of way prettier girls in a local
> bar most weekends.
>
> Check out this one (three minutes clip).
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39gYUgqfTg
>
> Very tiny waist and (over)developed hips and tights, but she's still
> pretty. Showing Snatch, too. And Clean&Jerk, a bit later.

I'll trust you on that. I'm already up past my bedtime and, well, with
dial-up, that three minutes might keep me up another 15 minutes to load
the video.

> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Will definitely check it out when I have more time. 'night!

Good grief. In the time it takes me to type this much the YouTube has
loaded only 12 seconds of the 3:17. God bless dial-up? No!

(Just a statement of fact. Neither a curse or a complaint against my
dial-up or my genetics.)

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"Curt" <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> schreef:

>> http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h260/BrickCityShyne/SerenaWiliamsAss.jpg

>> According to GooGle, this is her.

> Sweet JEEBUS.

>> I have my doubts...

> Yeah, uh, I have my doubts, too.

> (right click, "Save Image As...")

> Doubts, doubts, yup.

I am investigating this.

Someone should verify if this ass is Serenas or not.

So the AVT (Ass Verification Team) is born.

Its a dirty job, but someone has to do it...

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-12-03 gedaloda.DeleteThis@thisguy.com napisa³(a):
>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:28:58 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>> <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dnia 2006-12-03 gedaloda.DeleteThis@thisguy.com napisa³(a):
>>>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:07:44 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>>>> <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As you say, you may be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Technique is acquired through practice on the court (or against a
>>>> backboard) and with guidance from a coach. Technique is not
>>>> acquired through lifting weights or stretching rubber.
>>>
>>> But it can be spoiled by above mentioned. If you do significant
>>> number of reps of "sport specific" movement, your painstakingly
>>> honed motor recruitment patterns can get binned.
>>
>> Number of reps, sets, resistance of band(s), direction of movement,
>> etc. are part of an overall exercise plan that should be individually
>> tailored to an athlete.
>
> Oh, once you are into bands so much, let's not forget that tracking
> progress with this kind of equipment may turn out to be a challenge.
>
>>>> Resistive bands and tubing do not slow you down; they can help to
>>>> increase explosive power as resistance increases as the tubing is
>>>> stretched.
>>>
>>> Slow training against resistance will make you slow. Especially,
>>> when one trains "sport specific" movement. How fast you can
>>> "serve" against bands? Much slower than real stuff. And the
>>> trainee will learn to "muscle" the movement, which is bad news.
>>
>> OK. Tell all the track athletes and football players to stop using
>> chutes and sleds and other types of resistance equipment.
>
> Track athletes do not perform discuss "throws" against bands, last
> time
> I checked. Yes. Let's have a look at what various throwers do. Do
> they train a lot of "sport specific" moves with added resistance?
> Well, at times they may decide to throw overweight or underweight
> implement
> to fix some technical problem, but the extent of utility of this kind
> of training is constantly discussed. Some say that excess of use of
> this kind of training will spoil the technique, so it should be used
> judiciously.
>

Typical, any type of resistance [in sprinting] or overweight [in throwing]
exercise will only be repeated for 4 or 5 reps, immediately followed by a
contrast run or throw with no resistance or standard weight equipment. The
idea is not to allow the body to be conditioned to run/throw with the
resistance/overweight!

[...]

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Dnia 2006-12-04 Curt napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
>> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> >> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > re Pete's offering of
>> >
>> > http://www.nieuwsinfo.nl/images/12003ausopen367.jpg
>> >
>> >> > I'd say that's at least 90% Mother Nature, Pete. ;o)
>> >> > God BLESS Her on her creations, eh?
>> >>
>> >> If she achieved 90% of her present level, Pete wouldn't
>> >> be able to Google her out. She would be nobody among
>> >> other nobodies.
>> >
>> > Is that true, Andrzej?
>>
>> It is.
>
> I don't believe that's correct. (Doesn't mean it's not, of course, but
> there you have it.)
>
>> Try imagining that a 10s sprinter developed only 90% of his
>> present level. He becomes roughly 11s sprinter, which is
>> nobodyness.
>
> You're comparing apples and oranges, imo and fwiw.
>
>> > http://sportsline.com/tennis/rankings/wta
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams
>> >
>> > She's been a pro tennis player since 1995 (at age 14!) and, although
>> > she's ranked 95 currently, from what I see in Wiki, she was ranked 21
>> > by the Women's Tennis Association in 1999.
>> >
>> > The 100 ranked female tennis player? I was "able to Google her out."
>> > Likewise, I suspect that Serena, had she only achieved 90% of her
>> > accomplishments, would also have been someone Pete would have been able
>> > to find with a search engine's help.
>>
>> It's not possible to guess where on top100 she would end up while being
>> able to deliver 90% of what she could.
>
> It's not? Where are the math wizards (or anyone with a calculator)? She
> had been ranked 21 and then she dropped to 95 over a period of time.
> That's a calculable drop, right? There's a way to represent that
> calculable drop as a percent, isn't there?
>
> Likewise, if Serena can achieve X accomplishment with Y amount of skill
> then if you take Y and multiply it by 90%, shouldn't you be able to
> calculate X as well?

You seem to assume that an athlete who develops 90% ability will
receive 90% results. I tried to show you how crazy assumption it is,
by my sprinter example. With high jump, for example, 10% is like 24 cm
difference. You are out of business by the time your high jump goes
down by 24 cm.

> I have a headache now and will stop this course of discussion
> immediately.
>
>> I say, she wouldn't be googlable. She would be among
>> other ninetypercenters.
>
> Okay.
>
> Still, if Serena was ranked 21 at, say, 99% effort then she'd be where
> at 89% effort? She'd fall off the charts? And even if she would, she
> was still in the public's eye while she was off the WTA top 100. I
> think she dropped to 300 something. But that's looking at it from her
> diminishing from a point of peak performance. You presented it as never
> having reached where she has with her current ability. Where would she
> have been if she had only "achieved 90% of her present level," as you
> commented originally?

One could find measurable sport, and see where are people who fall 10%
behind an elite levels. The more competitive sport we find, the more
punishment for small drop in performance.

> Perhaps there's not a way to calculate that, however, since you state
> it's "not possible to guess where" Serena would be at 90% then I'll use
> that as my free pass in saying, yeah, she'd be Googleable.

Details are not important as long as you got what I meant. I don't
expect you to show scientific calculations of your 90% number too.

>> > Regardless, Serena's physique is courtesy of her parents. Boom! I'm
>> > guessing she'd look as she looks even if she'd never played tennis,
>> > never spoke to a trainer, never did anything but ate and breathed.
>>
>> I don't believe it. Much.
>
> Okay. I won't argue your ability to believe. Much. ;o)

Makes sense.

>> > Again, I'm guessing that maybe ten percent of her physique/appearance
>> > may've come from her participation in tennis - weight training,
>> > supplements, competitions, etc.
>>
>> Can you imagine Serena as a sprinter? Would she look exactly the same?
>> Or as a marathon runner, for that matter. Would she look still the
>> same?
>
> Marion Jones was a basketball star before she became a track star. (Or
> perhaps she was track then basketball then track. Hmm. My memory!) Has
> her physique changed?

I don't know if it changed much. If Pyrros Dimas turned into
basketball his physique wouldn't change much too, but what does it
show?

> Serena would never have been a marathoner, imo.

Why not?

> A
> tall guy will be steered to the basketball court. A guy with a barrel
> chest and short arms will be directed to the weight room. Still, there
> are countless variables.
>
> Serena could train and then complete a marathon. I'm certain of that.
> To answer your question, I'll say she'd slim down as she put in the
> necessary miles in preparation, however I doubt very much she'd ever
> reach the top competitors in that sport simply because it's not her
> bodytype.

Everyone who will go through a marathoner training schedule will
achieve this bodytype. Including Serena and Pyrros Dimas. What is
questionable is if they would be able to get anywhere near the elite
level. This might not happen, but physique transformation is an easy
task for a sportsman or sportswoman of proved dedication.

> And you said sprinter. Do you know Serena's sprint times? ;o)

No. Are they within 110% of top sprinter times? Quite possibly better
than that. Still, as a sprinter she wouldn't be mightily successful
with those times.

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, Pete wrote:

> "Curt" <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> schreef:
>
>>> Try whatever this particular girl is doing;
>>>
>>> http://www.nieuwsinfo.nl/images/12003ausopen367.jpg
>
> That girl has some potential...
>
> http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h260/BrickCityShyne/SerenaWiliamsAss.jpg
>
> According to GooGle, this is her.
>
> I have my doubts...

I have saved both these images for later analysis.

As a control, i will also examine images of Maria Sharapova. Furthermore,
i may conduct a thought experiment involving Williams and Sharapova
together.

tom

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On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:07:57 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-12-03 gedaloda.RemoveThis@thisguy.com napisa³(a):
>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 14:28:58 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dnia 2006-12-03 gedaloda.RemoveThis@thisguy.com napisa³(a):
>>>> On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 13:07:44 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>>>><bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As you say, you may be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Technique is acquired through practice on the court (or against a
>>>> backboard) and with guidance from a coach. Technique is not acquired
>>>> through lifting weights or stretching rubber.
>>>
>>>But it can be spoiled by above mentioned. If you do significant number
>>>of reps of "sport specific" movement, your painstakingly honed motor
>>>recruitment patterns can get binned.
>>
>> Number of reps, sets, resistance of band(s), direction of movement,
>> etc. are part of an overall exercise plan that should be individually
>> tailored to an athlete.
>
>Oh, once you are into bands so much, let's not forget that tracking
>progress with this kind of equipment may turn out to be a challenge.

You can't measure progress in the same way as you measure incremental
increases with free weights. My weight plates go from 50 pounds to
1/4 lb. However, it's not a big challenge to know that you have made
progress with bands or tubing. There are bands with different levels
of resistance and there are published exercises in the beginner,
intermediate, and advanced categories. One knows when exercises
become easier to perform. One can use bands/tubing to
make/measure/judge progress with free weights and/or in one's sport of
choice. Sometimes the judgement involved is partially subjective.

For example, Bruce Baumgartner, 4 time
Olympic medalist stated:(wrestling)

"I have used Lifeline Power Cables for training and rehabilitation
throughout my athletic and coaching career. World and Olympic level
athletes continue to use Lifeline cables for their durability and
function - both in rehabilitation and sport-specific training."
http://www.lifelineusa.com/products.cfm?categoryid=2





>>>> Resistive bands and tubing do not slow you down; they can help to
>>>> increase explosive power as resistance increases as the tubing is
>>>> stretched.
>>>
>>>Slow training against resistance will make you slow. Especially, when
>>>one trains "sport specific" movement. How fast you can "serve" against
>>>bands? Much slower than real stuff. And the trainee will learn to
>>>"muscle" the movement, which is bad news.
>>
>> OK. Tell all the track athletes and football players to stop using
>> chutes and sleds and other types of resistance equipment.
>
>Track athletes do not perform discuss "throws" against bands, last time
>I checked. Yes. Let's have a look at what various throwers do. Do
>they train a lot of "sport specific" moves with added resistance? Well,
>at times they may decide to throw overweight or underweight implement
>to fix some technical problem, but the extent of utility of this kind
>of training is constantly discussed. Some say that excess of use of
>this kind of training will spoil the technique, so it should be used
>judiciously.


I don't know how many trainers use ERT with throwers, but a quick
Google search shows that equipment and training tips are available on
this subject.

http://www.everythingtrackandfield.com/detail.aspx_Q_ID_E_3810_A_rnd_E_12

http://www.throwfarther.org/training/

Just about any idea or technique can be ruinous if applied
injudiciously. That doesn't mean that a poorly interpreted and
applied idea or technique can't be valuable if applied intelligently

>> The idea is not to match the speed with which one serves, hits
>> forehands, etc. The idea is to improve general conditioning, balance,
>> stability, agility, and power and to address the needs of muscles
>> involved in a particular sport.
>
>Oh, you say *general*. So why not use general tools to address
>general needs? Is something wrong with using general stuff to fix
>general shortcomings?

"General conditioning" can be achieved in a variety of ways, using
different types of equipment or no equipment at all (bodyweight
exercises). Muscles can be developed with isometric exercises,
isotonic exercises, and/or by progressive variable resistance
exercises (rubber bands/tubing). Each is valuable in its own right
and each can contribute to "general" conditioning.


>> For example, tennis involves
>> multidirectional lower-body movements, aggressive trunk rotation, and
>> large concentric and eccentric stresses to the rotator cuff and
>> scapular muscles. There are high levels of muscle activity in the
>> wrist and forearm so training these muscles is needed to prevent elbow
>> and wrist injury. Training the rotator cuff and upper back muscles
>> are highly recommended.
>
>Unluckily, it doesn't do much for shoulder stability. Heavy overhead
>supports, on the other hand, do help.

Overhead lifting done incorrectly can cause problems. Overhead
lifting done correctly can be very helpful. Resistive bands can be
useful in tennis. One such exercise is elbow extension with shoulder
abduction (serve simulation) (triceps)

One stands with band/tubing under one foot and shoulder at about 100
degrees and elbow bent 90 degrees. Lean to the side with trunk
approximately 30 degrees to simulate the serving position, and extend
elbow. Slowly return elbow to serving position and repeat.

Stabilize arm using other hand to ensure that shoulder stays in
serving position. Avoid placing shoulder in overhead position because
during serve the shoulder is only elevated 90-100 degrees due to side
bend of trunk.

Nothing wrong with doing DB presses or side-presses. Rubber bands
which utilize progressive variable resistance might even help you to
develop explosive power to move beyond your current sticking point.
I'm sure everyone here knows that bands are often used in conjunction
with barbells by many accomplished lifters.

Rubber bands are also great for performing exercises with different
directions of motion. You can exercise multiple joints and planes in
the more functional standing position. Iron and isotonic resistance
exercises are _typically_ limited to upward movements (against
gravity). Rubber bands also offer smooth eccentric resistance during
the return phase of movements. With respect to the aforementioned
possible drawbacks of "slow" exercises, it should be noted that rubber
bands allow faster movements and plyometric exercises to a much
greater degree than machines and isotonic resistance.

Finally, there is clinical research that the strength curve produced
by elastic resistance is similar to the strength curves of human
joints.


>
>> There are base exercises and sports
>> simulation exercises which tennis players are using with elastic
>> resistance tubing.
>
>That's my whole point. Throwers do not simulate throwing when they want
>to improve throwing. They do strength and conditioning training geared
>at important muscle groups and they throw for real a lot. If they do
>something wrong, they throw closer, so they can measure very well if their
>training program works or not. Yuri Sedyk did a routine based on front
>squats and 400m sprints, for example. He didn't "throw" against a band.
>
>> Someone who lifts heavy weights but does not know how to play tennis
>> might make the mistake of muscling his/her movements. That would
>> occur regardless of the specific sport involved. Accomplished tennis
>> players who understand how to execute shots are benefiting from using
>> resistance bands and tubing and are not sacrificing the efficiency of
>> their strokes in the process.
>
>Possible. I can imagine that good tennis players will remain good
>players even faced with a very stupid S&C program.
>
>>>I agree. Equipment is really not important.
>>>
>>>> Correct technique and correct amount of resistance help to reduce the
>>>> risk of injury.
>>>
>>>Maybe. Anyway, why slow training of "sport specifics" should help?
>>
>> Ask the many different types of athletes who use resistance training
>> in one form or another (tubing, clutes, sleds, etc.).
>
>I'm not against resistance training. I'm against resistance training
>by "mimicking" sport specific moves in the gym. It's better to do
>moves different enough that your body will not confuse them on the
>playing field.
>
>> I don't know what you mean by "slow." Sometimes it's useful to vary
>> the speed of a resistive movement. This can easily be done with
>> resistance bands or tubing.
>
>Or many other equipments. Anyway, I remember seeing a video of
>training of heavyweight UFC fighter. He did sled drags and tire flips.
>No harm in it, from my point of view. They also attached a lot of
>bands to his limbs and core and he trained take-downs against all that
>resistance and a sparring partner, which struck me as stupid. The idea
>was to develop muscular endurance which would allow him to fight longer
>at high level of output. Anyway, it didn't worked much. He got winded
>while rolling on the mat with the other guy, which might not happened if
>instead of playing Spiderman he would train wrestling to the point of
>exhaustion. Like Fedor does, for example.

I'm not sure I get the idea of training muscular endurance in this
way. That's sounds like too much resistance for training strength
endurance. Or maybe I'm wrong about this. Anyway, for the sake of
argument, let's say this was a poor training technique. If so, the
conclusion isn't that resistive bands and tubing are contraindicated
for fighters.
>
>>>From what I read, body is really smart when it comes to executing
>>>complicated patterns and one should really concentrate on honing the
>>>real stuff as much as it makes sense. Body will also limit the speed
>>>of limb to the point of safety, which is limited by *antagonist* muscle
>>>ability to stop it short of injury, so increasing strength of agonist
>>>muscles may result in slower movements on the playing field.
>>
>> One of the many benefits of ERT is that, in many cases, it can be used
>> to improve the balance of opposing muscle forces.
>
>Like many other training equipments.
>
>> Base exercises are
>> especially useful in this respect. ERT emphasizes using base
>> exercises as well as exercises that simulate movement patterns
>> inherent in specific sports
>
>Which will probably work equally great like playing Spiderman for
>take-down training.
>
>>>What makes sense to me is training *qualities*, like speed strength for
>>>example, in general. What makes sense to me, is balancing development
>>>of muscles all around the body of trainee, to prevent injuries. What
>>>makes sense to me, is training some specifics of sport performance in a
>>>way which is safer and more effective, like for example some explosive
>>>lifts can be treated as a substitute for jumping, but without much
>>>joint trauma.
>>
>> Vertical jumping is often trained with rubber bands or tubing.
>>>
>>>But I can be wrong. No matter, that's what I think.
>>
>> There's often no harm in being wrong as long as you're open to the
>> possibility that you might be wrong. Is it more important to be
>> correct or to avoid the ignominy of being regarded as someone who
>> changes his mind?
>
>I never said that band training is useless. It's just a way of
>providing resistance. Gravity works too. Anyway, discussing equipment
>makes no sense. Equipment starts making sense if one uses it to
>develop some quality.

Yes, yup, etc.
>
>> http://www.lifelineusa.com/articles.cfm?articleid=18
>>
>> http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,ssssssss6-238-263--9390-1-1...10X16-5
>>
>> http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0736037837
>
>Equipment again. What sort of quality will band training develop
>better than other kinds of training?

Covered above. Multiple planes of resistance - frontal, sagittal ans
transverse. Good for replicating whole-body, multiple-joint movements
of functional activities. Smooth eccentric resistance. Allows faster
movements and plyometric exercises. Progressive variable resistance.
Strength curves similar to strength curves of human joints.

I have no plans to throw away my free weights.

As far as tennis is concerned, give me an OK racquet, an OK court, the
right type of competition, lots of practice/playing time, a backboard,
and a great coach. Iron and/or rubber can't substitute for any of
this
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Dnia 2006-12-04 Curt napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-12-04 Curt napisa³(a):
>> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> >> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
>> >> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> >> >> Dnia 2006-12-03 Curt napisa³(a):
>
> Nice game of ping pong there, innit?

Yes, not bad.

[...]
> All this (this being sports performance, training, elite achievement,
> etc.) is rather moot, too, as I believe Pete has little, if any,
> interest in tennis but great interest in Serena's physique which leads
> me back to God BLESS Mother Nature and her creations!

So, you tell me that all that time I discussed Serena Wiliams ass?
Serena doesn't even look especially attractive to my eye. Well, better
than average, but there are plenty of way prettier girls in a local
bar most weekends.

Check out this one (three minutes clip).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39gYUgqfTg

Very tiny waist and (over)developed hips and tights, but she's still
pretty. Showing Snatch, too. And Clean&Jerk, a bit later.

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Dnia 2006-12-04 gedaloda DeleteThis @thisguy.com napisa³(a):
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:07:57 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You can't measure progress in the same way as you measure incremental
> increases with free weights. My weight plates go from 50 pounds to
> 1/4 lb. However, it's not a big challenge to know that you have made
> progress with bands or tubing. There are bands with different levels
> of resistance and there are published exercises in the beginner,
> intermediate, and advanced categories. One knows when exercises
> become easier to perform. One can use bands/tubing to
> make/measure/judge progress with free weights and/or in one's sport of
> choice. Sometimes the judgement involved is partially subjective.
>
> For example, Bruce Baumgartner, 4 time
> Olympic medalist stated:(wrestling)
>
> "I have used Lifeline Power Cables for training and rehabilitation
> throughout my athletic and coaching career. World and Olympic level
> athletes continue to use Lifeline cables for their durability and
> function - both in rehabilitation and sport-specific training."
> http://www.lifelineusa.com/products.cfm?categoryid=2

Actually I use some cables in my training. It's a spring loaded Chest
Expander kind of exerciser, and I use it to work on my shoulder
flexibility.

See? There is a quality I want to develop, so I take whatever
equipment works for it. I could do it with a broomstick, but cables
work better so I use cables.

>>Track athletes do not perform discuss "throws" against bands, last time
>>I checked. Yes. Let's have a look at what various throwers do. Do
>>they train a lot of "sport specific" moves with added resistance? Well,
>>at times they may decide to throw overweight or underweight implement
>>to fix some technical problem, but the extent of utility of this kind
>>of training is constantly discussed. Some say that excess of use of
>>this kind of training will spoil the technique, so it should be used
>>judiciously.
>
>
> I don't know how many trainers use ERT with throwers, but a quick
> Google search shows that equipment and training tips are available on
> this subject.
>
> http://www.everythingtrackandfield.com/detail.aspx_Q_ID_E_3810_A_rnd_E_12
>
> http://www.throwfarther.org/training/

Second link shows some Westside inspired training. Not exactly what
other links suggest, but funny enough, in between I stumbled upon a
link with article where some javelin thrower performed crossover with
some cables attached. I still think that he thrown well instead of
this use of cables, not thanks to it.

[I cut a lot. It became lengthy.]
>>Unluckily, it doesn't do much for shoulder stability. Heavy overhead
>>supports, on the other hand, do help.
>
> Overhead lifting done incorrectly can cause problems. Overhead
> lifting done correctly can be very helpful. Resistive bands can be
> useful in tennis. One such exercise is elbow extension with shoulder
> abduction (serve simulation) (triceps)

There are plenty of similar exercises which can be done with free
weights, or just bodyweight.

> One stands with band/tubing under one foot and shoulder at about 100
> degrees and elbow bent 90 degrees. Lean to the side with trunk
> approximately 30 degrees to simulate the serving position, and extend
> elbow. Slowly return elbow to serving position and repeat.
>
> Stabilize arm using other hand to ensure that shoulder stays in
> serving position. Avoid placing shoulder in overhead position because
> during serve the shoulder is only elevated 90-100 degrees due to side
> bend of trunk.

I think that it's rather nonsense. A serve is a full body movement and
to develop good serve one needs to train full body. I'd be glad to
know if for example Ab-wheel doesn't work what's important much better
than tricep extension (which is called a serve simulation to muddle the
waters ).

> Nothing wrong with doing DB presses or side-presses. Rubber bands
> which utilize progressive variable resistance might even help you to
> develop explosive power to move beyond your current sticking point.
> I'm sure everyone here knows that bands are often used in conjunction
> with barbells by many accomplished lifters.
>
> Rubber bands are also great for performing exercises with different
> directions of motion. You can exercise multiple joints and planes in
> the more functional standing position.

With all those "functional" planes I also have some reservations.

[...]
>>Or many other equipments. Anyway, I remember seeing a video of
>>training of heavyweight UFC fighter. He did sled drags and tire flips.
>>No harm in it, from my point of view. They also attached a lot of
>>bands to his limbs and core and he trained take-downs against all that
>>resistance and a sparring partner, which struck me as stupid. The idea
>>was to develop muscular endurance which would allow him to fight longer
>>at high level of output. Anyway, it didn't worked much. He got winded
>>while rolling on the mat with the other guy, which might not happened if
>>instead of playing Spiderman he would train wrestling to the point of
>>exhaustion. Like Fedor does, for example.
>
> I'm not sure I get the idea of training muscular endurance in this
> way. That's sounds like too much resistance for training strength
> endurance.

They used relatively light bands, and like a ten of them, or something
in this range. The idea was to make this guy work against constant
tension for extended periods of time, like several minutes.

> Or maybe I'm wrong about this. Anyway, for the sake of
> argument, let's say this was a poor training technique. If so, the
> conclusion isn't that resistive bands and tubing are contraindicated
> for fighters.

Sure. I never wrote much about bands. All the time I write about
training methodologies, not equipment.

[...]
>>Equipment again. What sort of quality will band training develop
>>better than other kinds of training?
>
> Covered above. Multiple planes of resistance - frontal, sagittal ans
> transverse.

Yeah. True. Still, I'm somehow reluctant in admitting that all those
fancy planes make much sense in real world. I mean, I've seen videos
of athletes doing some really strange pulley moves to develop some
supposedly important "planes" instead of doing something productive,
like training or resting.

> Good for replicating whole-body, multiple-joint movements
> of functional activities.

That's what I don't like about them.

> Smooth eccentric resistance. Allows faster
> movements and plyometric exercises. Progressive variable resistance.
> Strength curves similar to strength curves of human joints.
>
> I have no plans to throw away my free weights.
>
> As far as tennis is concerned, give me an OK racquet, an OK court, the
> right type of competition, lots of practice/playing time, a backboard,
> and a great coach. Iron and/or rubber can't substitute for any of
> this

Make sense. Sure.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R
 >> Stay informed about: weight lifting program for Tennis 

Amazing. Twice I asked for a weight lifting program for tennis, and
you people just type answers to questions I never asked. No wonder
talking to "trainers" is a waste of time, just like the time my wife
wasted over $500 with a trainer, who could not even be bothered to
write down 1 workout for her. I already work out at a gym, been
working out for 25 years...I just wanted to tailor my workout to help
my tennis game more, and thought I could get some good direction here.
Boy, was I wrong.



Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-12-03 blakesq napisa³(a):
> > What I am actually looking for is a weight lifting program for Tennis.
> > Something to help with my serves, forehand, backhand, and movement on
> > the court, as well as stamina. I am really hoping for a program,
> > stating exercises, and numbers of sets. I make it to the gym about two
> > to three times a week, and I play twice a week.
>
> Are you dedicated enough to buy a dumbbell? If yes, we could work
> something effective based on assumed fact that you can dedicate 15 min
> a day. 15 min a day are better than 30 min every other day, which in
> turns is better than an hour every two days.
>
> If you aren't dedicated enough to do that, go to a gym twice a week.
> Still, IMHO, best thing you can probably do in a commercial gym is
> dumbbell work. Plenty of swings, snatches, cleans, and so on. In case
> your gym prohibits overhead lifting (I heard that it happens) you have
> the machines. In this case go through a machine circuit with short
> rest intervals. Pair pulling movements with pushing movements and go
> for density, which means that you try to do a lot of work within the
> time you have available. Try to stress yourself, but do not kill
> yourself. Go by feel. I won't give you any reps and sets. I tell you
> to learn by experience when you go too far.
>
> Consider getting outside on your off days. Do a lot of agility drills.
> For example, sprint for 20 steps, fall to the ground and jump up for
> 20, and that is one rep. Do twenty of this reps. Or find two trees in
> a park and run around them. Fast run one way, sharp left turn, fast
> run the other way, sharp right turn. That's one rep. Do twenty. Find
> a staircase and sprint up, walk down. That's one rep. I think that
> you get the idea by now.
>
> Try to do something every day. If you have no time to do something
> real, simulate doing something. If you can't even simulate, pretend
> that you are simulating doing something. Every day.
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R
 >> Stay informed about: weight lifting program for Tennis