After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven..

In article <juv1c1pb6grchff65oq4dj84mslbtc29qg.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Jeannie Sanderson <Jeannie.TakeThisOut@NoMailPlease.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a 39 year old woman at 5'1" and 140 lbs. My doctor said I should
> wegh under 100 lbs to be good size with my small stature.

He's probably wrong.

> I begin to
> eat under 1000 kkal a day Monday 6-13.

Mistake number one.

> I use a postal scale to verify
> all quantities, and only water is not recorded. I used a elliptical
> trainer 6 days a week and it reads 250 kkals when I stop. Every other
> day I a;lso have a triner push me on universal machines until I am
> exhaused. About 90 minutes. This seems liek a lot of work and little
> food and I am 140 lbs still. I don't understand.

Two whole weeks? Gee, you should have lost 30 lbs in that time....not.
Check changes in bodyfat vs weight and see if your actual bodycomp has
changed at all.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

Shouldnt even look at scale the first two weeks
because the body is still adjusting to its new exercise
and diets regimes. Some people bodies will retrain
water to support the needs of exercising.
Some peoples digestive systems will slow the
passing of food in response to caloric reduction.

Then only weigh ones self once a week at the same
time and same conditions in regards to having exercise,
eaten and used the bathroom. Any of these can cause
a couple pound fluctuation.
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

Jeannie Sanderson <Jeannie.TakeThisOut@NoMailPlease.com> wrote:

> I am a 39 year old woman at 5'1" and 140 lbs. My doctor said I should
> wegh under 100 lbs to be good size with my small stature. I begin to
> eat under 1000 kkal a day Monday 6-13. I use a postal scale to verify
> all quantities, and only water is not recorded. I used a elliptical
> trainer 6 days a week and it reads 250 kkals when I stop. Every other
> day I a;lso have a triner push me on universal machines until I am
> exhaused. About 90 minutes. This seems liek a lot of work and little
> food and I am 140 lbs still. I don't understand.

Good for you deciding to work at this. I can't answer why you haven't
lost weight yet, but I think you'll want to adjust your mindset to the
long haul.

1000 calories seems pretty low, as does being under 100 pounds. My
little BMI calculator says that at 5'1", you should be 110 pounds, and
that at that weight, your maintenance calories should be about 1600
calories (assuming light activity). To lose weight, you generally would
eat about 500 calories less per day, so that would be 1100 calories per
day.

But leaving those kinds of specifics behind, my other concern for you is
that you don't exhaust yourself by overdoing it and give up. 90 minutes
of cardio a day, plus weights until your exhausted sounds like a recipe
for quitting within a month. As many people have probably told you, this
needs to be a lifestyle change, and to have a lifestyle change, you need
to have something that you can keep at (both diet and exercise) for a
long time.

Other random thoughts:

- track your food intake with fitday.com or some similar software. If
you are at this for a month to six weeks and don't seem to be losing,
drop your caloric intake GRADUALLY.

- ignore (or at least don't get hung up on) what the elliptical machine
is telling you you've burned in calories

- don't focus so much on your weight. Look at yourself in a mirror, and
if you need measurables, consider using a tape measure or bodyfat
calipers. A more general measure: how do your clothes fit? If they're
getting looser, you're making progress, no matter what the scale says.

- don't eat more because you're exercising; the idea is to create a
caloric deficit, and that doesn't happen if you "reward" yourself with
pie or cookies after a big workout.

- it's nice to be walking this journey with someone else who is dieting
and exercising; it provides accountability and encouragement for the
"down" times.

- a suggestion: consider taking "before" photos of yourself. They'll be
fun to look at after you've melted off about 30 pounds.

Good luck!
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

On 28 Jun 2005, rick++ wrote:

> Shouldnt even look at scale the first two weeks
> because the body is still adjusting to its new exercise
> and diets regimes. Some people bodies will retrain
> water to support the needs of exercising.
> Some peoples digestive systems will slow the
> passing of food in response to caloric reduction.

In addition, a premenopausal woman can have fairly significant weight
shifts caused by water retention - usually in the weeks leading up to the
start of the period. I usually use my after period weight as the reference
for that month. If the scale weight stays the same or even goes up, I
ignore that unless my next after period weight is also up.

>
> Then only weigh ones self once a week at the same

I weigh every day, but that's more for reference than an actual check on
how I'm doing at losing weight.


> time and same conditions in regards to having exercise,
> eaten and used the bathroom. Any of these can cause
> a couple pound fluctuation.
>
>
Martha


--
Sig pending
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

In article <ste2c1hocejv3281158i470i4o62d4qo77 RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
Jeannie Sanderson <Jeannie RemoveThis @NoMailPlease.com> writes:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:21:53 GMT, "David Cohen"
> <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Jeannie Sanderson" <Jeannie RemoveThis @NoMailPlease.com> wrote
[snip]
>>> This seems liek a lot of work and little
>>> food and I am 140 lbs still. I don't understand.
>>
>>1) You have underestimated what you ate. Or...
>>2) You have overestimated what you expended. Or...
>>3) Your scale is inaccurate. Or...
>>4) You lost fat and gained muscle, which balanced each other out. Or...
>>5) The Laws of Thermodynamics do not apply to you in your Universe.
>
> David thank you,
> I am very sure it is #5, but I hope #4. The only way to know is use
> tape measure I tink.

If it's #5, I'm sure scientists the world over will be quite anxious
to see you. More likely #1, #2, #4, or a combination of those
three. (The scale doesn't have to be accurate, to show change, just
repeatable.)

Btw: You've only been doing this for about two weeks. Give it a
chance.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
jseymour RemoveThis @LinxNet.com | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

Jeannie,
I have had similar problems myself. I found though that even though I
did not lose weight right away, I did lose inches. I think it took
about 3 weeks before I actually started losing pounds. It is very
frustrating but we all know that muscle weighs more than fat. If you
were not very active prior to this regimen you are probably gaining
muscle. Eventually your new muscle tissue will crank up your
metabolism and the pounds will be shed.

Keep it up.
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

Jeannie Sanderson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a 39 year old woman at 5'1" and 140 lbs. My doctor said I should
> wegh under 100 lbs to be good size with my small stature. I begin to
> eat under 1000 kkal a day Monday 6-13. I use a postal scale to verify
> all quantities, and only water is not recorded. I used a elliptical
> trainer 6 days a week and it reads 250 kkals when I stop. Every other
> day I a;lso have a triner push me on universal machines until I am
> exhaused. About 90 minutes. This seems liek a lot of work and little
> food and I am 140 lbs still. I don't understand.
>
> Jeannie

Are you smaller?

If your measurements are going down and your weight is staying the same, it
means you're adding lean tissue (muscle, blood) and losing fat.


That said, lotta damn work; you might want to spend less time with heavier weights.
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

"Jeannie Sanderson" <Jeannie.RemoveThis@NoMailPlease.com> wrote in message
news:juv1c1pb6grchff65oq4dj84mslbtc29qg@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am a 39 year old woman at 5'1" and 140 lbs. My doctor said I should
> wegh under 100 lbs to be good size with my small stature. I begin to
> eat under 1000 kkal a day Monday 6-13.

I wonder if you're eating enough. One of the sacred tenets of WW is that
you must eat enough to keep your body from going into starvation mode. I
don't know the WW formula, but I've been told as a light rule of thumb that
one should not eat fewer calories than 10x your body weight for safety and
that 12x is a safer rate. This web site here --
http://www.shands.org/health/information/article/001940.htm -- says a woman
should not consume fewer than 1200 calories a day without medical
supervision.

In any event, good luck.

Angela
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

"Jeannie Sanderson" <Jeannie.DeleteThis@NoMailPlease.com> wrote in message
news:juv1c1pb6grchff65oq4dj84mslbtc29qg@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am a 39 year old woman at 5'1" and 140 lbs. My doctor said I should
> wegh under 100 lbs to be good size with my small stature. I begin to
> eat under 1000 kkal a day Monday 6-13. I use a postal scale to verify
> all quantities, and only water is not recorded. I used a elliptical
> trainer 6 days a week and it reads 250 kkals when I stop. Every other
> day I a;lso have a triner push me on universal machines until I am
> exhaused. About 90 minutes. This seems liek a lot of work and little
> food and I am 140 lbs still. I don't understand.
>
> Jeannie


Hi Jeannie,

I had pretty much the same experience. You have gotten some very good
replies, and all made good points. One of the reasons I attribute so
little loss was because if you diet very very stringently all of a sudden,
your body thinks it is starving and economizes. You then lower your
metabolism, and this encourages the "yo yo" syndrome of gaining and losing
weight over and over, usually escalating your weight over time.

I would suggest forgetting about the scale and work more on establishing a
pattern of eating and exercising that you can live with for the rest of your
life, and ultimately the loss will happen, though it may be more slowly than
for some others.

That is what I decided to do when I ran into the same problem. Another
issue is that I am on medications that weight gain and water retention are
two of the side effects listed.

Stick with it, don't get discouraged, and keep on going. It'll happen if
you stick with it.

--


Best Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

This message is not archived
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

Jeannie Sanderson wrote:
>
>
>
> David thank you,
> I am very sure it is #5, but I hope #4. The only way to know is use
> tape measure I tink.
> Jeannie
>

As David implied, you need to measure bodyfat more than weight. I'll
also throw in a long shot possiblity which is that something, such as
salt intake, has caused you to retain water.
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

This message is not archived
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven.. 

Jeannie Sanderson wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:07:16 +0300, Jeannie Sanderson
> <Jeannie RemoveThis @NoMailPlease.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I am a 39 year old woman at 5'1" and 140 lbs. My doctor said I should
>>wegh under 100 lbs to be good size with my small stature. I begin to
>>eat under 1000 kkal a day Monday 6-13. I use a postal scale to verify
>>all quantities, and only water is not recorded. I used a elliptical
>>trainer 6 days a week and it reads 250 kkals when I stop. Every other
>>day I a;lso have a triner push me on universal machines until I am
>>exhaused. About 90 minutes. This seems liek a lot of work and little
>>food and I am 140 lbs still. I don't understand.
>>
>>Jeannie
>
>
> Thank you to all for the information. I took measurements this evenig,
> and will do the same in two weeks. My wish is to drop some weight but
> add much strength.
>
> Jeannie

Normally I don't reply to cross-posts, but I wanted to make sure you
heard this several times, because I may not be the only one worried
about your health, given what you're doing.

If you're ingesting, say, 900 calories a day, and then burning off 250
of them.. that's only 650 calories a day you're eating. That's *very*
unhealthy. Your body won't have enough energy to create muscle, it
doesn't even have enough to sustain itself. If you weren't exercising
at all, you might be ok, but as it is, you're starving yourself to
death. It's no wonder you're not losing weight yet. Do this another
few weeks, and you'll see a *massive* weight loss, that will have come
off you in the form of both fat *and* muscle. Right now the water's
sustaining you, your body's holding onto it because it thinks it's all
it's gonna get. But that only works for about a week. Soon you'll
probably notice yourself tiring out sooner; those 90 minute extreme
workouts will get shorter.

I urge you, for the sake of your health, to not starve your body like
this. Even if you succeed without killing yourself, you'll gain all the
weight back twice as fast as you lost it as soon as you resume a
reasonable intake. And then some extra, because you scared the wits out
of your body. It's a bad, bad way to go.

Try, instead, only doing the machine three days a week, no more than an
hour at a time. That's cardio exercise, and will burn fat. Those three
days, eat *more* food (say, 1200 calories) to compensate for the
increased activity. You've already burned that food off, you won't hurt
your weight loss by eating it. Two different (that's important) days
you can do strength training, but again, don't push yourself to
exhaustion, and eat more to compensate for the energy expenditure. The
key to strength training is to do very few reps at very high weight.
You could finish your strength training workouts in fifteen minutes.
Ninety minutes is more like a stamina workout. And don't eat less than
1000 calories a day, ever.

Right now, I'm eating upwards of 1800 calories a day; my body burns off
more than 3000 calories every day just sitting on my couch. Admittedly
I'm much taller and heavier than you are, but the point is, I've lost
30lbs not doing *any* exercise (the only exercise I get is standing up
and walking to the kitchen), eating 1500-2000 calories most days. Some
days I have 2500 calories, just so my body doesn't go into starvation
mode. And I've lost weight doing it. Lots of people have. Don't
starve your body just because you want to lose 30 or 40 pounds. Your
body may never forgive you.

-Tay
 >> Stay informed about: After two weeks of strict diet and heavy exercise, I haven..