vegetarian diet

External Since: Jan 13, 2005 Posts: 269

Zwanz of Never wrote:

> "Delenn" <Delenn.DeleteThis@whoever.com> wrote in message

>>My experience with vegetarians is that very few of them are actually
>>vegetarian for ethical or religious reasons. I'm not saying it isn't
>>possible, but a better guess is that it seemed fashionable or healthy to
>>them, or they're just really picky eaters that enjoy being a pain in the
>>ass and/or controlling food in obsessive ways.
>
>
> lol, love how you can stereotype a group of very diverse people into
> something that satisfies your own need for self-worth.

How is my need for self-worth related to why people become vegetarian?

Now I'm wondering - why is the OP vegetarian? Religion, perceived
health benefits or because he just doesn't like a lot of foods and
builds rules around them and spends a lot of effort and energy
controlling exactly what minute ingredients are in his food?

Ever try to go out to dinner with a vegan? Tons of fun. I've had the
experience of attempting to serve meals to vegans as well as attempting
to go out to restaurants with vegans. The ones I know are vegan mostly
because they hate nearly every food and that way they can vet everything
to see if it suits before they will put it in their mouths... and I
assure you they aren't just looking for animal products. One person I
know intimately hates nearly all vegetables, dislikes the feel of oil,
and doesn't use herbs or spices. She lives on baked potatoes with soy
sauce. It certainly isn't for ethics or religion, though she claims
it's for health.

I'm not saying that all vegetarians are like that, but I know enough of
them who are vegetarian because of food control issues that I suspect
it's a mild form of mental illness.

Now... how does that make me feel more self-worth? I've got my own
foibles, I don't need to gloat over other people's. I note them and go on.

Delenn

External Since: Jan 24, 2005 Posts: 1423

"Zwanz of Never" <zwanzofnever DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote
> "Proton Soup" <proton DeleteThis @soup.org> wrote
>> frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS DeleteThis @OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>>> Delenn <Delenn DeleteThis @whoever.com> wrote:
>>>>arun.varadarajan@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> people ,
>>>>> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
>>>>> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I
>>>>> am
>>>>> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
>>>>> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
>>>>> please advise.

>>>>If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
>>><snip>
>>>>The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
>>>>out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
>>>>are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
>>>>we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
>>>>eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
>>>>from some choice like protein powders.
>>>>
>>>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>>>>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>>>need working on.
>>>>
>>>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>>>i like that phrase.
>>>
>>>a strict vegetarian (vegan?) cannot have protein powder
>>>either since it is made from whey...milk. perhaps they
>>>could have the soy based stuff but before that they
>>>can just up their nuts and tofu quantity. realize that when
>>>she says she want to "gain muscle", she is setting aside
>>>for a moment the "lose weight" part. Obviously, she needs
>>>to make a choice. Most people opt to lose the weight first.
>>>Plenty of fat and some muscle will go too, and then she can
>>>worry about shape. There's no reason why she can't
>>>lose weight, and work out hard enough to at least
>>>maintain her current muscles.
>>
>> Actually, you can get soy protein powder, but that's not friendly to
>> animals, either, because huge acreages of rain forest are being cut
>> down to grow soy. Come to think of it, a strict vegetarian is harming
>> animals by eating agricultural crops that destroy wildlife habitat.
>
> When are you going to stop using this lame excuse to make yourself feel
> better, genius? According to information compiled by the United States
> Department of Agriculture, over ninety percent of all the
> grain/agriculture produced in America goes to feed livestock-cows, pigs,
> sheep, and chickens-that wind up on dinner tables. Yet the process of
> using grain to produce meat is incredibly wasteful. Figures from the U.S.
> Department of Agriculture show that for every sixteen pounds of grain fed
> to cattle, we get back only one pound of meat.

Excellent. Just for you, tomorrow, after a day of driving my gas-guzzling
SUV, having a meat-lovers pizza for lunch...I'll only eat half and throw the
rest away...I'm going to go out and have some nice veal parmigiana. Just for
you.

David