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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 3:57 am
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people ,
I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
please advise.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:15 pm
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arun.varadarajan.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> people ,
> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
> please advise.
>
> Arun
> India
If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
I lost a lot of weight by balancing my macronutrients and lifting
weights three times a week and doing high intensity interval training
three times a week.
I maintain the weight loss by eating a diet with balanced macronutrients
at maintenance calorie levels and doing cardio three to five times a
week (often in the context of a sport or family activity) and lifting
weights two or three times a week.
The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
from some choice like protein powders.
Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
need working on.
Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:56 pm
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:41 -0500, Delenn <Delenn DeleteThis @whoever.com> wrote:
>arun.varadarajan@gmail.com wrote:
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>> people ,
>> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
>> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
>> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
>> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
>> please advise.
>>
>> Arun
>> India
>
>If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
<snip>
>The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
>out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
>are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
>we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
>eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
>from some choice like protein powders.
>
>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>need working on.
>
>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
i like that phrase.
a strict vegetarian (vegan?) cannot have protein powder
either since it is made from whey...milk. perhaps they
could have the soy based stuff but before that they
can just up their nuts and tofu quantity. realize that when
she says she want to "gain muscle", she is setting aside
for a moment the "lose weight" part. Obviously, she needs
to make a choice. Most people opt to lose the weight first.
Plenty of fat and some muscle will go too, and then she can
worry about shape. There's no reason why she can't
lose weight, and work out hard enough to at least
maintain her current muscles.
i stopped eating meat last year. it is a bit of a struggle
to get what i consider the right amount of protein
every day. but i supplement with whey powder.
without that, it's not easy. especially if you're
trying to keep the %age of your calories that you're
getting from fat low too.
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:56:18 -0500, frank-in-toronto
<thehickOBVIOUS.DeleteThis@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:41 -0500, Delenn <Delenn.DeleteThis@whoever.com> wrote:
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>>arun.varadarajan@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> people ,
>>> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
>>> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
>>> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
>>> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
>>> please advise.
>>>
>>> Arun
>>> India
>>
>>If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
><snip>
>>The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
>>out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
>>are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
>>we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
>>eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
>>from some choice like protein powders.
>>
>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>need working on.
>>
>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>i like that phrase.
>
>a strict vegetarian (vegan?) cannot have protein powder
>either since it is made from whey...milk. perhaps they
>could have the soy based stuff but before that they
>can just up their nuts and tofu quantity. realize that when
>she says she want to "gain muscle", she is setting aside
>for a moment the "lose weight" part. Obviously, she needs
>to make a choice. Most people opt to lose the weight first.
>Plenty of fat and some muscle will go too, and then she can
>worry about shape. There's no reason why she can't
>lose weight, and work out hard enough to at least
>maintain her current muscles.
Actually, you can get soy protein powder, but that's not friendly to
animals, either, because huge acreages of rain forest are being cut
down to grow soy. Come to think of it, a strict vegetarian is harming
animals by eating agricultural crops that destroy wildlife habitat.
>i stopped eating meat last year. it is a bit of a struggle
>to get what i consider the right amount of protein
>every day. but i supplement with whey powder.
>without that, it's not easy. especially if you're
>trying to keep the %age of your calories that you're
>getting from fat low too.
>...thehick
Have you considered also giving up agricultural foods, and relying
instead on strict foraging for food?
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> people ,
> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
> please advise.
>
> Arun
> India
Check this link for losing weight and building muscle
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<arun.varadarajan RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> people ,
> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I
> am
> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
> please advise.
I think anyone looking to gain muscle on a vegan diet should read what
Mike Mahler has to say on the subject. Start here:
http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/mahler_big_strong.htm
and also check on Mike's latest DVD, the focus of which is on gaining
both size and strength using kettlebells. I'm not trying to gain muscle
size but he gives a lot of detail on the finer points of many
kettlebells lifts - solid stuff, a lot of which you won't find anywhere
else, and overall a nice contribution to the body of kettlebell training
material that's out there now. Here's a link:
http://www.kbnj.com/mmsize.htm
In the meantime, I recommend you diet by the tried and true formula -
lift weights, do cardio, and eat 500 calories per day less. When you
feel you've accomplished what you want in fat reduction, then worry
about putting on more muscle.
-S-
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> arun.varadarajan RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
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> > people ,
> > I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
> > love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
> > a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
> > combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
> > please advise.
> >
> > Arun
> > India
>
> If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
>
> I lost a lot of weight by balancing my macronutrients and lifting
> weights three times a week and doing high intensity interval training
> three times a week.
>
> I maintain the weight loss by eating a diet with balanced macronutrients
> at maintenance calorie levels and doing cardio three to five times a
> week (often in the context of a sport or family activity) and lifting
> weights two or three times a week.
>
> The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
> out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
> are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
> we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
> eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
> from some choice like protein powders.
>
> Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
> it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
> it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
> it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
> need working on.
>
> Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>
> Delenn
Just about all Indians are vegetarians - it is not an option to ask him to
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David wrote:
> "Delenn" <Delenn DeleteThis @whoever.com> wrote in message
>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>need working on.
>>
>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>
> Just about all Indians are vegetarians - it is not an option to ask him to
> reconsider - something to do with their religion
Spoken like the true religious scholar you are. I think you're trying
to say that Hindus don't eat beef. Try reading the second sentence of
my paragraph again.
My experience with vegetarians is that very few of them are actually
vegetarian for ethical or religious reasons. I'm not saying it isn't
possible, but a better guess is that it seemed fashionable or healthy to
them, or they're just really picky eaters that enjoy being a pain in the
ass and/or controlling food in obsessive ways.
I don't know this guy or his situation so I'm just speculating.
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"Delenn" <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
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> > "Delenn" <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> >>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
> >>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
> >>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
> >>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
> >>need working on.
> >>
> >>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>
> >
> > Just about all Indians are vegetarians - it is not an option to ask him
to
> > reconsider - something to do with their religion
>
> Spoken like the true religious scholar you are. I think you're trying
> to say that Hindus don't eat beef. Try reading the second sentence of
> my paragraph again.
>
> My experience with vegetarians is that very few of them are actually
> vegetarian for ethical or religious reasons. I'm not saying it isn't
> possible, but a better guess is that it seemed fashionable or healthy to
> them, or they're just really picky eaters that enjoy being a pain in the
> ass and/or controlling food in obsessive ways.
>
> I don't know this guy or his situation so I'm just speculating.
>
> Delenn
> \
O goodness me! You noticed about my expertise. Most of what I know about
Indians I learned after wandering in the Rugs Bazaar store - the owner had
this turban on and when I was there he was eating vegetable chow mein -
strictly no meat. Plus his father I remember was very angry when he gave a
customer a 7000% discount on this carpet that had a beetroot stain on it.
(still it is pretty stupid to talk to a vegetarian from India in the same
way you would to a teenager in Boston who frivolously chose a certain
lifestyle. The idea of suggesting he was a 'picky' eater! I found it
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"Delenn" <Delenn.DeleteThis@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
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> > "Delenn" <Delenn.DeleteThis@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> >>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
> >>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
> >>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
> >>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
> >>need working on.
> >>
> >>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
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> >
> > Just about all Indians are vegetarians - it is not an option to ask him
to
> > reconsider - something to do with their religion
>
> Spoken like the true religious scholar you are. I think you're trying
> to say that Hindus don't eat beef. Try reading the second sentence of
> my paragraph again.
>
> My experience with vegetarians is that very few of them are actually
> vegetarian for ethical or religious reasons. I'm not saying it isn't
> possible, but a better guess is that it seemed fashionable or healthy to
> them, or they're just really picky eaters that enjoy being a pain in the
> ass and/or controlling food in obsessive ways.
>
> I don't know this guy or his situation so I'm just speculating.
>
> Delenn
You can bet your menorah that if an Indian is vegetarian it is for
religions/ethical or deeply cultural reasons. I can guarantee it is not
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Delenn <Delenn.TakeThisOut@whoever.com> wrote in news:364sf9F4r818kU1@individual.net:
> David wrote:
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>> "Delenn" <Delenn.TakeThisOut@whoever.com> wrote in message
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>>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices.
>>>If it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>>need working on.
>>>
>>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>
>>
>> Just about all Indians are vegetarians - it is not an option to ask him
>> to reconsider - something to do with their religion
>
> Spoken like the true religious scholar you are. I think you're trying
> to say that Hindus don't eat beef. Try reading the second sentence of
> my paragraph again.
>
> My experience with vegetarians is that very few of them are actually
> vegetarian for ethical or religious reasons. I'm not saying it isn't
> possible, but a better guess is that it seemed fashionable or healthy to
> them, or they're just really picky eaters that enjoy being a pain in the
> ass and/or controlling food in obsessive ways.
>
> I don't know this guy or his situation so I'm just speculating.
>
Actually, David's closer to right than you are. The Hindus I meet (i.e.
all middle-class ex-pats in the high-tech community) are all either
vegetarian or think they ought to be.
The up side for Arun is that Indian vegetarianism usually leaves lots of
options--milk is okay, fish is often okay, and sometimes eggs are. You can
also go a long way on lentils and chick peas. But I'd lean on the whey
powder, I think.
Hugh
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> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:56:18 -0500, frank-in-toronto
> <thehickOBVIOUS DeleteThis @OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
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>>On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:41 -0500, Delenn <Delenn DeleteThis @whoever.com> wrote:
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>>>arun.varadarajan@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> people ,
>>>> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
>>>> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
>>>> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
>>>> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
>>>> please advise.
>>>>
>>>> Arun
>>>> India
>>>
>>>If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
>><snip>
>>>The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
>>>out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
>>>are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
>>>we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
>>>eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
>>>from some choice like protein powders.
>>>
>>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>>>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>>need working on.
>>>
>>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>>i like that phrase.
>>
>>a strict vegetarian (vegan?) cannot have protein powder
>>either since it is made from whey...milk. perhaps they
>>could have the soy based stuff but before that they
>>can just up their nuts and tofu quantity. realize that when
>>she says she want to "gain muscle", she is setting aside
>>for a moment the "lose weight" part. Obviously, she needs
>>to make a choice. Most people opt to lose the weight first.
>>Plenty of fat and some muscle will go too, and then she can
>>worry about shape. There's no reason why she can't
>>lose weight, and work out hard enough to at least
>>maintain her current muscles.
>
> Actually, you can get soy protein powder, but that's not friendly to
> animals, either, because huge acreages of rain forest are being cut
> down to grow soy. Come to think of it, a strict vegetarian is harming
> animals by eating agricultural crops that destroy wildlife habitat.
When are you going to stop using this lame excuse to make yourself feel
better, genius? According to information compiled by the United States
Department of Agriculture, over ninety percent of all the grain/agriculture
produced in America goes to feed livestock-cows, pigs, sheep, and
chickens-that wind up on dinner tables. Yet the process of using grain to
produce meat is incredibly wasteful. Figures from the U.S. Department of
Agriculture show that for every sixteen pounds of grain fed to cattle, we
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>"Proton Soup" <proton RemoveThis @soup.org> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:56:18 -0500, frank-in-toronto
>> <thehickOBVIOUS RemoveThis @OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
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>>>On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:41 -0500, Delenn <Delenn RemoveThis @whoever.com> wrote:
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>>>>arun.varadarajan@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> people ,
>>>>> I am in a real dilemna , I am overwieght and need to lose weight but I
>>>>> love to do weights which means less cardio.. any suggestions? also I am
>>>>> a vegetarian and hence no meat or eggs for me , is there any
>>>>> combination other than supplements that will help me gain muscle mass?
>>>>> please advise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arun
>>>>> India
>>>>
>>>>If you want to change then you're going to have to change.
>>><snip>
>>>>The keys to this are to eat less and exercise more. You get to figure
>>>>out how to eat less all by yourself, but many of us have found that we
>>>>are sated and have better energy levels and retain muscle mass best if
>>>>we get a bunch of our calories from protein. If you insist on not
>>>>eating the protein then you're likely going to have to "supplement" it
>>>>from some choice like protein powders.
>>>>
>>>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>>>>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>>>need working on.
>>>>
>>>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
>>>i like that phrase.
>>>
>>>a strict vegetarian (vegan?) cannot have protein powder
>>>either since it is made from whey...milk. perhaps they
>>>could have the soy based stuff but before that they
>>>can just up their nuts and tofu quantity. realize that when
>>>she says she want to "gain muscle", she is setting aside
>>>for a moment the "lose weight" part. Obviously, she needs
>>>to make a choice. Most people opt to lose the weight first.
>>>Plenty of fat and some muscle will go too, and then she can
>>>worry about shape. There's no reason why she can't
>>>lose weight, and work out hard enough to at least
>>>maintain her current muscles.
>>
>> Actually, you can get soy protein powder, but that's not friendly to
>> animals, either, because huge acreages of rain forest are being cut
>> down to grow soy. Come to think of it, a strict vegetarian is harming
>> animals by eating agricultural crops that destroy wildlife habitat.
>
>
>When are you going to stop using this lame excuse to make yourself feel
>better, genius? According to information compiled by the United States
>Department of Agriculture, over ninety percent of all the grain/agriculture
>produced in America goes to feed livestock-cows, pigs, sheep, and
>chickens-that wind up on dinner tables. Yet the process of using grain to
>produce meat is incredibly wasteful. Figures from the U.S. Department of
>Agriculture show that for every sixteen pounds of grain fed to cattle, we
>get back only one pound of meat.
There's a little problem here skippy, I'm not an herbivore. My body
is designed to eat meat. In fact, if I go too long without red meat,
I get cravings for it. It's a biological urge. Without the shedding
of blood, my needs are not met.
Now don't try to tell me that man is evolved to eat soybeans. It
ain't so. Even grains are a relatively new addition to our diets.
No, we're meant to eat a variety of foods including red meat, fish,
fruits, nuts, vegetables. Feeding grain to people as a staple is a
bit assinine. Grain is herbivore food, and men are not herbivores.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:15 am
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"Delenn" <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
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>> "Delenn" <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote in message
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>>>Consider carefully what advantages being vegetarian has for you. If
>>>it's ethical then it's what it is and you'll live with your choices. If
>>>it's for health reasons you might want to re-think your beliefs. If
>>>it's because you're a picky eater then realize that your hang-ups might
>>>need working on.
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>>>Because you're going to have to change if you want to change.
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>> Just about all Indians are vegetarians - it is not an option to ask him
>> to
>> reconsider - something to do with their religion
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> Spoken like the true religious scholar you are. I think you're trying to
> say that Hindus don't eat beef. Try reading the second sentence of my
> paragraph again.
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> My experience with vegetarians is that very few of them are actually
> vegetarian for ethical or religious reasons. I'm not saying it isn't
> possible, but a better guess is that it seemed fashionable or healthy to
> them, or they're just really picky eaters that enjoy being a pain in the
> ass and/or controlling food in obsessive ways.
lol, love how you can stereotype a group of very diverse people into
something that satisfies your own need for self-worth. >> Stay informed about: vegetarian diet |
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