unilateral db bench press

In news:1170672864.162051.186720@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com,
Stephen Mulholland <mulhollands.RemoveThis@rocketmail.com> typed:
> On Feb 5, 6:33 am, "Bully" <bull....RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> Innews:52mmj5F1od2t0U1@mid.individual.net,
>> Steve Freides <s....RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>
>>> "lyle" <lgoldstei....RemoveThis@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>> weights so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and
>>>> support. Not thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>
>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>
>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a great
>>> exercise.
>>
>> Not for strength, is it, really?
>>
>>> If you want to improve your regular bench, then you need to
>>> practice that,
>>
>> Bollocks.
>
> I think Steve means "If you want to improve your regular bench, then
> you need to practice your regular bench,, not "If you want to improve
> your regular bench, then you need to practice the one-armed bench
> press". Which is not, in fact, bollocks.
>
> Stephen

Your write off coarse. My parser was in for repair at the time...

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

In news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl,
Andrzej Rosa <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> typed:
> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27 RemoveThis @nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and support.
>>>>>>> Not thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a great
>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>
>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>
>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>
>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>> done.
>
> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.

How did he manage that?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

"Bully" <bully19.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:52ouieF1ogrsvU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl,
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> typed:
>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27.DeleteThis@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and support.
>>>>>>>> Not thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a great
>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>>
>>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>>
>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>> done.
>>
>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>
> How did he manage that?

According to some people, I am able to leap tall buildings in a single
bound - or so I have heard. How difficult do you think it would be for
me to kill a thread on a web forum over which I have no control?

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
> sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
>
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27.DeleteThis@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and support.
>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>> thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a great
>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>>
>>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>>
>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>> done.
>>
>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>
> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?

No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was called
a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued if
there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD which
couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.

> Very good. I
> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>
> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022

So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply curious.
And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the tables and make
his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of the title he claims
to possess? And how about plagiarising a Smolov's article on
powerlifting? Is it true or not?

> There are several others on this subject and related matters but I'm
> sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are already
> aware of them, friend.

I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be curious
about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate censorship in
my free time too.

--
Andrzej Rosa
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eq7ga4$ab4$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27.TakeThisOut@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and support.
>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>> thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a great
>>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>>>
>>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>>> done.
>>>
>>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>>
>> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?
>
> No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was
> called
> a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued if
> there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD which
> couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.
>
>> Very good. I
>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>
>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>
> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply curious.
> And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the tables and make
> his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of the title he claims
> to possess? And how about plagiarising a Smolov's article on
> powerlifting? Is it true or not?

If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need me
to list the individual URL's for you?

>> There are several others on this subject and related matters but I'm
>> sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are already
>> aware of them, friend.
>
> I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be curious
> about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate censorship in
> my free time too.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a damn
about" your curiosities or passions - friend.

Have a nice day - really.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> --
> Andrzej Rosa
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

In news:52p5eqF1pqhncU1@mid.individual.net,
Steve Freides <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eq7ga4$ab4$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27 RemoveThis @nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and support.
>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>> thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a great
>>>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>>>
>>> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?
>>
>> No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was
>> called
>> a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued
>> if there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD
>> which couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.
>>
>>> Very good. I
>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>
>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>
>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply
>> curious. And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the
>> tables and make his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of
>> the title he claims to possess? And how about plagiarising a
>> Smolov's article on powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>
> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need me
> to list the individual URL's for you?
>
>>> There are several others on this subject and related matters but I'm
>>> sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are already
>>> aware of them, friend.
>>
>> I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be
>> curious about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate
>> censorship in my free time too.
>
> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a damn
> about" your curiosities or passions - friend.
>
> Have a nice day - really.
>

Is the "friend" but sarcastic too?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

"Bully" <bully19.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:52p62cF1peo5mU1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:52p5eqF1pqhncU1@mid.individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eq7ga4$ab4$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27.TakeThisOut@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and
>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>>> thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a
>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>>>>
>>>> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?
>>>
>>> No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was
>>> called
>>> a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued
>>> if there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD
>>> which couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.
>>>
>>>> Very good. I
>>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>>
>>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>>
>>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply
>>> curious. And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the
>>> tables and make his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of
>>> the title he claims to possess? And how about plagiarising a
>>> Smolov's article on powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>>
>> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
>> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
>> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need
>> me
>> to list the individual URL's for you?
>>
>>>> There are several others on this subject and related matters but
>>>> I'm
>>>> sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are
>>>> already
>>>> aware of them, friend.
>>>
>>> I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be
>>> curious about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate
>>> censorship in my free time too.
>>
>> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a
>> damn
>> about" your curiosities or passions - friend.
>>
>> Have a nice day - really.
>>
>
> Is the "friend" but sarcastic too?

Oh, no, not at all. Andrzej and I are best buddies. Andy (that's what
I call him), tell him about that time in Krakow, well, no, maybe we
better not.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
> sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
>
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

In news:52p62cF1peo5mU1@mid.individual.net,
Bully <bully19.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
> In news:52p5eqF1pqhncU1@mid.individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eq7ga4$ab4$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eq7732$sdc$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eq61cj$c3n$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eq5mq9$ffd$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>>>> Dnia 2007-02-04 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>>>> "lyle" <lgoldstein27.TakeThisOut@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:1170454376.090632.123090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone do this? I have trouble with liftoff with the heavier
>>>>>>>>>>> weights
>>>>>>>>>>> so I use one db and use my free hand for liftoff and
>>>>>>>>>>> support. Not
>>>>>>>>>>> thrilled but I have no spotter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyle (not that lyle)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone needs to say that the one-armed bench press is a
>>>>>>>>>> great exercise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn. Now I need to say that it actually sucks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to be contrary?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sort of. Both things needed to be said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>>>>
>>>> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?
>>>
>>> No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was
>>> called
>>> a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued
>>> if there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD
>>> which couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.
>>>
>>>> Very good. I
>>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>>
>>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>>
>>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply
>>> curious. And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the
>>> tables and make his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of
>>> the title he claims to possess? And how about plagiarising a
>>> Smolov's article on powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>>
>> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
>> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
>> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need
>> me to list the individual URL's for you?
>>
>>>> There are several others on this subject and related matters but
>>>> I'm sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are
>>>> already aware of them, friend.
>>>
>>> I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be
>>> curious about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate
>>> censorship in my free time too.
>>
>> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a
>> damn about" your curiosities or passions - friend.
>>
>> Have a nice day - really.
>>
>
> Is the "friend" but sarcastic too?

Bit, not but!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eq7ga4$ab4$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>
>>>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>>>
>>> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?
>>
>> No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was
>> called
>> a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued if
>> there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD which
>> couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.
>>
>>> Very good. I
>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>
>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>
>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply curious.
>> And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the tables and make
>> his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of the title he claims
>> to possess? And how about plagiarising a Smolov's article on
>> powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>
> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need me
> to list the individual URL's for you?

It would be good. I scanned through Pavel's recent posts and found
nothing.

>>> There are several others on this subject and related matters but I'm
>>> sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are already
>>> aware of them, friend.
>>
>> I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be curious
>> about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate censorship in
>> my free time too.
>
> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a damn
> about" your curiosities or passions - friend.

Did you start hating me recently? Why would it happen, I wonder.

> Have a nice day - really.

This though makes no sense whatsoever. Either you like me, hate me or
remain totally indifferent.

--
Andrzej Rosa
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eq7rro$pa9$2@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eq7ga4$ab4$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this world, very little needs to be said but much needs to be
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Said a man who killed the thread challenging Pavel's credentials.
>>>>
>>>> You are reading the DragonDoor forum these days?
>>>
>>> No. I just read the thread on some other forum, where Pavel was
>>> called
>>> a fraud and plagiarist by some other Steve. I was mildly intrigued
>>> if
>>> there was truth to this. You supposedly killed the thread on DD
>>> which
>>> couldn't be ignored and warranted some reply.
>>>
>>>> Very good. I
>>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>>
>>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>>
>>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply
>>> curious.
>>> And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the tables and
>>> make
>>> his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of the title he
>>> claims
>>> to possess? And how about plagiarising a Smolov's article on
>>> powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>>
>> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
>> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
>> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need
>> me
>> to list the individual URL's for you?
>
> It would be good. I scanned through Pavel's recent posts and found
> nothing.

http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447388/?kbid=1022

>>>> There are several others on this subject and related matters but
>>>> I'm
>>>> sure, devotee of all things kettlebell that you are, you are
>>>> already
>>>> aware of them, friend.
>>>
>>> I don't give a damn about kettlebells, of course, but I may be
>>> curious
>>> about who Pavel is nonetheless. And I passionately hate censorship
>>> in
>>> my free time too.
>>
>> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a
>> damn
>> about" your curiosities or passions - friend.
>
> Did you start hating me recently? Why would it happen, I wonder.
>
>> Have a nice day - really.
>
> This though makes no sense whatsoever. Either you like me, hate me or
> remain totally indifferent.

I dislike things I didn't do being stated as facts. I don't hate you.
This is a public forum and you're entitled to say whatever you like
here, as am I.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Andrzej Rosa
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eq7rro$pa9$2@inews.gazeta.pl...
>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> Very good. I
>>>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how he
>>>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>>>
>>>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply
>>>> curious.
>>>> And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the tables and
>>>> make
>>>> his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of the title he
>>>> claims
>>>> to possess? And how about plagiarising a Smolov's article on
>>>> powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>>>
>>> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read the
>>> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a recent
>>> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need
>>> me
>>> to list the individual URL's for you?
>>
>> It would be good. I scanned through Pavel's recent posts and found
>> nothing.
>
> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447388/?kbid=1022

Well, it looks rather awful, doesn't it? First, it's not written by
Pavel, but by somebody who says what Pavel said. Funny, if you ask me.
Second, Master of Sports is an official title which is granted to
people who pass official tests, not to somebody who supposedly made
the number during an in-house competition. That is the gist of the
whole accusation, that Pavel doesn't have the right to use the title,
and it seems that he can't defend it.

Regarding his plagiarism, I think that he is totally in the right here,
if the article in question is this one:
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/80/

Smolov's article with this program can be found here:
http://www.powerlifting.ru/library/training/squat/s_articles/squat_smolov/

It's not the same thing. Program is the same, but text is totally
different, and program is properly attributed to Smolov, so here it
works fine. Still, Smolov is Master of Sports and Pavel probably is
not. If this is true, Pavel is a fraud.

>>> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a
>>> damn
>>> about" your curiosities or passions - friend.
>>
>> Did you start hating me recently? Why would it happen, I wonder.
>>
>>> Have a nice day - really.
>>
>> This though makes no sense whatsoever. Either you like me, hate me or
>> remain totally indifferent.
>
> I dislike things I didn't do being stated as facts.

You've been accused by others, and I believed them. My apologies for
not checking it out. I would keep my mouth shut (you can do what you
like in your free time) if not for the fact, that your answer about
doing more and saying less looked like too much of a tempting pun.

> I don't hate you.
> This is a public forum and you're entitled to say whatever you like
> here, as am I.

Yes, and if I make a mistake, I look like a fool.

--
Andrzej Rosa
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eq8brj$6in$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eq7rro$pa9$2@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> Dnia 2007-02-05 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very good. I
>>>>>> encourage you to read this post from the forum's owner about how
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> (note: not me, "he") manages things:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447141/?kbid=1022
>>>>>
>>>>> So, is Pavel a Master of Sports or he is a fraud? I'm simply
>>>>> curious.
>>>>> And if he is a Master of Sports, why don't he turn the tables and
>>>>> make
>>>>> his accusers look foolish by producing a proof of the title he
>>>>> claims
>>>>> to possess? And how about plagiarising a Smolov's article on
>>>>> powerlifting? Is it true or not?
>>>>
>>>> If you are interested in answers to the above, I suggest you read
>>>> the
>>>> other threads I mentioned on the DragonDoor forum, including a
>>>> recent
>>>> one in which Pavel addresses these questions directly. Do you need
>>>> me
>>>> to list the individual URL's for you?
>>>
>>> It would be good. I scanned through Pavel's recent posts and found
>>> nothing.
>>
>> http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/447388/?kbid=1022
>
> Well, it looks rather awful, doesn't it? First, it's not written by
> Pavel, but by somebody who says what Pavel said. Funny, if you ask
> me.
> Second, Master of Sports is an official title which is granted to
> people who pass official tests, not to somebody who supposedly made
> the number during an in-house competition. That is the gist of the
> whole accusation, that Pavel doesn't have the right to use the title,
> and it seems that he can't defend it.

He has defended it to my satisfaction, if not to yours. If the military
has the authority to award Levels I through 3, which are merely lower
grades on the same scale, while I can see how it might not be considered
official, neither is it a lift just witnessed by a bunch of guys
standing around somewhere.

> Regarding his plagiarism, I think that he is totally in the right
> here,
> if the article in question is this one:
> http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/80/
>
> Smolov's article with this program can be found here:
> http://www.powerlifting.ru/library/training/squat/s_articles/squat_smolov/
>
> It's not the same thing. Program is the same, but text is totally
> different, and program is properly attributed to Smolov, so here it
> works fine. Still, Smolov is Master of Sports and Pavel probably is
> not. If this is true, Pavel is a fraud.

Harsh words. The precise circumstances have been made known, and I
highly doubt the fact that they weren't before now was the result of
some sort of attempt to defraud. A better analogy might have been
claiming an AAU world record when the meet was refereed by officials
only certified to the state or national level - this has happened, and
the records don't count, but neither does anyone accuse the lifters of
not having made their lifts in legitimate circumstances. I do not know
all the details of Pavel's GS MS and likely never will.

>>>> I guess you missed the sarcasm in that sentence. I "don't give a
>>>> damn
>>>> about" your curiosities or passions - friend.
>>>
>>> Did you start hating me recently? Why would it happen, I wonder.
>>>
>>>> Have a nice day - really.
>>>
>>> This though makes no sense whatsoever. Either you like me, hate me
>>> or
>>> remain totally indifferent.
>>
>> I dislike things I didn't do being stated as facts.
>
> You've been accused by others, and I believed them. My apologies for
> not checking it out. I would keep my mouth shut (you can do what you
> like in your free time) if not for the fact, that your answer about
> doing more and saying less looked like too much of a tempting pun.

If I was going to learn to keep my mouth shut, I would have learned a
long time ago. I have no interest in keeping my mouth shut, and ...

>> I don't hate you.
>> This is a public forum and you're entitled to say whatever you like
>> here, as am I.
>
> Yes, and if I make a mistake, I look like a fool.

.... I have no problem looking like a fool if I make mistakes because I
learn from them. For the record, if I was given the right to moderate
the DragonDoor forum, I would like do it in a very similar manner,
including deleting many posts. It's a private, commercial venture and
under no obligations to leave anything up on its boards it doesn't want
to. Anyone who doesn't like the rules can leave; some have.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Andrzej Rosa
 >> Stay informed about: unilateral db bench press 

"Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:

>>> Have a nice day - really.

>> Is the "friend" but sarcastic too?

> Oh, no, not at all. Andrzej and I are best buddies. Andy (that's what I
> call him), tell him about that time in Krakow, well, no, maybe we better
> not.

You FLUFFED Andy?

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Pete
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