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Since: Oct 09, 2005 Posts: 53
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:27 pm
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I am looking for some advanced book in strength and bodybuilding.
I see people recomend the "The Insiders Encyclopedia on How to Build Muscle
& Might [Beyond Brawn]". It is 505 pages!! I browsed through it. It looks
more conventional, I am familiar with the stuff he says.
I also came across Pavel Tsatsouline and his 2 books: "Power To The People"
and "Beyond BodyBuilding". Now from what I understood, he teaches more
radical stuff.
Anybody can tell me if these are worth reading? Especially with Pavel, I do
not want to waste 2-3 months and achieve nothing.
Or maybe you can recommend something better?
I just finished "Designing Resistance Training Programs" by Fleck & Kraemer.
Although scientific, I was not satisfied. He gives no value to negative,
forced reps or drop sets, which is what most bodybuilders do, so I was
confused.
Thanks
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:27 pm
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"BobPit" <bobz2335.DeleteThis@yahoo.gr> wrote in message
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>I am looking for some advanced book in strength and bodybuilding.
>
> I see people recomend the "The Insiders Encyclopedia on How to Build
> Muscle & Might [Beyond Brawn]". It is 505 pages!! I browsed through
> it. It looks more conventional, I am familiar with the stuff he says.
>
> I also came across Pavel Tsatsouline and his 2 books: "Power To The
> People" and "Beyond BodyBuilding". Now from what I understood, he
> teaches more radical stuff.
>
> Anybody can tell me if these are worth reading? Especially with
> Pavel, I do not want to waste 2-3 months and achieve nothing.
>
> Or maybe you can recommend something better?
>
> I just finished "Designing Resistance Training Programs" by Fleck &
> Kraemer. Although scientific, I was not satisfied. He gives no value
> to negative, forced reps or drop sets, which is what most bodybuilders
> do, so I was confused.
"Power To The People!" contains a couple of very simple programs along
with the basic principles of strength training. As Louie says, Pavel
explains what good lifters do naturally in a way the rest of us can
understand and use. The book is short and you'll read it in a day or
two, but it is not uncommon for experienced lifters who don't know some
of what's in PTP to experience instant gains in their lifts after
applying the techniques Pavel teaches.
"Beyond Bodybuilding" is, OTOH, full of set and rep schemes including
several Russian classics, along with good advice about building up to
some of the harder routines. Also good advice about how, if you're
bodybuilding or otherwise looking for gains in size, you ought to mix up
different programs and not stick with any one approach for too long. If
you're after size and strength, it's a great resource and, unlike many
Pavel books, it's pretty thick, too. If you're after size, period, and
don't care about strength, it's not the book for you.
If you buy either from the publisher, you get an unconditional one-year
money-back guarantee, which you are free to use even if you've had the
books for 11 months and decide at that time you didn't think they were
worth it. I did this with a kettlebell once, a big one that cost more
than $50 to ship each way - I got one with a particularly rough handle,
tried for six months to get used to it and just couldn't. I paid for
return shipping but they paid to ship me the new one and, given that
mine was clearly well used by that point in time and that shipping cost
them another $50, I thought it was pretty generous on their part. I
didn't even ask initially to return it, just for advice about filing
down the handle and repainting, and they told me that I should just send
the thing back if I didn't like it the way I got it.
PTP: http://www.kbnj.com/ptp.htm
Beyond Bodybuilding: http://www.kbnj.com/bb.htm
-S-
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:34 am
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Steve
The "Power To The People" says that you should never exercise to failure.
So no forced, negative reps and no drop sets, which is what I am doing.
So I want to ask: the [no failure] principle is something that really
weight lifters and powerlifters do in order to gain strength? Or this is
something new? And if it is new, does it work? Do you have experience with
it?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:34 am
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"BobPit" <bobz2335.TakeThisOut@yahoo.gr> wrote in message
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> Steve
>
> The "Power To The People" says that you should never exercise to
> failure. So no forced, negative reps and no drop sets, which is what I
> am doing.
>
> So I want to ask: the [no failure] principle is something that really
> weight lifters and powerlifters do in order to gain strength? Or this
> is something new? And if it is new, does it work? Do you have
> experience with it?
Only rarely going to failure has been very good for me, and I don't
think it's anything new. Rather, what's new is that people started
training to failure perhaps in the last 30-40 years and I don't think
the "old time strong men" did it very much.
There are others more qualified than me to answer your question, based
on their experiences, because I have followed only PTP's style of doing
things and not personally experienced the alternatives. I'm also after
strength and not size, although I believe both are achievable without
going to failure except but once in a while when testing one's max.
Beyond Bodybuilding does talk about certain circumstances in which
forced reps can be useful but they're very specific circumstances - I
don't recall what they are. I think Pavel also talked about them in one
of his email newsletters (that you can subscribe to for free at
DragonDoor).
If you could be more specific about what you're trying to accomplish,
that might help me and others comment on what you might enjoy reading
next. Your age, previous lifting and other athletic pursuits, and
whatever else you think might be relevant would add to the discussion as
well, e.g., any injuries you have.
-S-
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:23 am
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> If you could be more specific about what you're trying to accomplish, that
> might help me and others comment on what you might enjoy reading next.
> Your age, previous lifting and other athletic pursuits, and whatever else
> you think might be relevant would add to the discussion as well, e.g., any
> injuries you have.
OK, I am 39 years old. Last winter I was 85,5 kgr but after a cutting for
the summer, I am now at about 76,5 kgr. About 20% fat. My max bench press
is (was) 110 kgr. I lift seriously for about 1,5 years.
I want to build more mass and then strength.
Thanks
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 2:41 am
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"BobPit" <bobz2335.RemoveThis@yahoo.gr> wrote in message
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>> If you could be more specific about what you're trying to accomplish,
>> that might help me and others comment on what you might enjoy reading
>> next. Your age, previous lifting and other athletic pursuits, and
>> whatever else you think might be relevant would add to the discussion
>> as well, e.g., any injuries you have.
>
> OK, I am 39 years old. Last winter I was 85,5 kgr but after a cutting
> for the summer, I am now at about 76,5 kgr. About 20% fat. My max
> bench press is (was) 110 kgr. I lift seriously for about 1,5 years.
>
> I want to build more mass and then strength.
I am not the guy to talk to about mass but I will tell you what little I
know.
Many powerlifters add mass and their routines tend to build increases in
both size and strength. If you want to be as strong as you look, you
might look into PL routines. A fine place to start reading is here:
http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/index.htm
The Korte 3x3 program has always interested me - lots of volume in the
first half which, if you eat enough, should see you gain some serious
size.
Pavel's book, "Beyond Bodybuilding", http://www.kbnj.com/bb.htm, has a
similar focus, namely getting strong while you get bigger.
Google "20-rep squats" or look for a book by that title on
http://www.ironmind.com. 20-rep squats, combined with sufficient
eating, is a classic mass-building program.
Popular on these newsgroups is something called "hypertrophy-specific
training." Google that, and even Google this newsgroup for the
expression "HST" and you will find things to read that might interest
you.
Last but not least, be sure to adding squatting, deadlifting, or both to
your program in some form if you haven't already. Your bench number is
certainly respectable, but serious lifting has to include the legs and
back and, for these, you need DL or SQ.
Best of luck to you.
-S-
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:38 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:38 pm
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"BobPit" <bobz2335.TakeThisOut@yahoo.gr> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the info. I expect that all these systems are tried and
> proven, right?
Yes, but please be aware that "proven" isn't necessarily meaningful
here - we are all different, and what works well for one person does not
necessarily work well for another. The laws of physics don't change,
but there are still many means to any fitness end, and many good
training programs don't work because of 'other' reasons, e.g., people
ignore the signs of injury and overtraining, they pick a program that's
either too advanced or too easy for them, etc.
In other words, picking a well-respected book doesn't guarantee you
anything. Read eveything you can, pick some specific goals for
yourself, and set about achieving them in the way that seems best to
you.
> I do have a problem with squat and leg exercises. (I made a separate
> post about it).
I saw your other post but I'll respond here. First, you should read up
on joint health. Pavel's "Super Joints", http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm is
a good place to start. Second, books like PTP will teach you how high
muscle tension can protect your joints - technique matters. Third, the
advice to do "high reps" is basically correct - as Super Joints will
tell you, putting your joints through a _full_ range of motion for high
repetitions and at a fairly brisk speed can be very good for them,
provided, of course, you do the exercises in the right way, e.g., making
very, very sure that your feet and knees track in the same line all the
time. You might try hindu squats and see if they help you.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
> Thanks
> Bob
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:43 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:33 pm
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I picked one up the other day entitled STRENGTH TRAINING ANATOMY.
It's basically a picture bok for the most part but for different exercies for one body part, it
shows themuscles that are getting worked. like lat pull downs it shows the muscles that are worked
when bringing the bar in front of you and it shows more muscles being worked when bringing it down
behind your neck. It's a pretty good book and it has helped me refine my workouts to get the most
out of them and to stop doing the 2 different exercises for the same muscle when 1 of those
exercises will do the same thing and freeingup more time to do an isolation move instead.
"BobPit" <bobz2335 RemoveThis @yahoo.gr> cleverly wrote:
>I am looking for some advanced book in strength and bodybuilding.
>
>I see people recomend the "The Insiders Encyclopedia on How to Build Muscle
>& Might [Beyond Brawn]". It is 505 pages!! I browsed through it. It looks
>more conventional, I am familiar with the stuff he says.
>
>I also came across Pavel Tsatsouline and his 2 books: "Power To The People"
>and "Beyond BodyBuilding". Now from what I understood, he teaches more
>radical stuff.
>
>Anybody can tell me if these are worth reading? Especially with Pavel, I do
>not want to waste 2-3 months and achieve nothing.
>
>Or maybe you can recommend something better?
>
>I just finished "Designing Resistance Training Programs" by Fleck & Kraemer.
>Although scientific, I was not satisfied. He gives no value to negative,
>forced reps or drop sets, which is what most bodybuilders do, so I was
>confused.
>
>Thanks
>Bob
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