What a squat OUGHT to look like

Hobbes <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <1hgz8x8.5mdnbar2mf7kN%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet>,
> dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> > Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Take a look at this video. It's a beautiful thing to behold.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-IadDDsK4&search=ironmind
> > >
> > > WARNING: this video contains no porn, no scary noises, and is completely
> > > safe for work to the extent that ANY screwing off online is safe at
> > > work. It doesn't reference guns or dogs but could be considered
> > > on-topic for MFW nonetheless.
> >
> > Could someone who knows more than me address the issue of form on those
> > good mornings? I do mine unweighted (with a broomstick) as a sort of
> > stretch/warmup, so of course I'm not going to bounce like that at the
> > end but ... should there be any bounce at all? That looks way wrong to
> > me.
> >
> > I do the exrx.net version:
> >
> > http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Hamstrings/BBGoodMorning.html
> >
>
> Like most things the correct answer is...
>
> It depends.
>
> He is doing the exercise to train hip extension and strength for the
> 'explosion'. For an olympic lifter that is the best way.
>
> You are training for general posterior chain strength or hypertrophy
> (guess there, but I'm sure I'm not far off). You'd be better off doing
> them fuller and slower.

I see the difference. Thank you.

I have neck issues that prevent me from putting a barbell across my back
like that, so anything more than what I'm doing now is pretty much out
for me (as are barbell squats). I've thought about getting one of those
5 or 10 lb weighted bars, though. I like the motion. It's a nice
hamstring stretch.
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"Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Hobbes" <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
>>> that
>>> typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
>>> elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks before
>>> they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.
>
>> Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
>> mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
>> hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
>> bouncing his belly off his thighs.
>
>> That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is 295
>> kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.
>
> I remember a lift from, i believe Khaki Kakiasvilli (?) at the Olympics
> in, i believe 96, when after the clean, he jerked the weight, but did NOT
> even bother to split. He just ducked, as if it was a partial overhaed
> squat. His feet didnt move one inch.
>
> That was probably the most impressive lift i ever saw.
>
> Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the snatch, but
> performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and they
> get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or second
> lift.
>
Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring all
of your real friends.
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"David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> schreef:

>> Another impressive "feature" about weightlifting is the snatch, but
>> performed in such a way that the quads dont drop below parallel, and they
>> get up in a split second. This is usually done in the first or second
>> lift.

> Pete . . . ever since this Keith guy came along you seem to be ignoring
> all of your real friends.

See how that feels?

I have that same feeling when YOU are playing with Charles or Curt. Not nice
eh?
Anyway, Keith can tell me a thing or two about weghtlifting, and its not a
secret that, besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the first
Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

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Perte
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Pete <phoutstra.TakeThisOut@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

[...]

>besides winning the Mr. O in 2008, i will also become the first
>Dutch SuperHeavyWeight Olympic WeightLifting Champion.

Yeah, but you'll never threw a gym into orbit. Well, at least not
without learning about the Weider Escape Velocity Principle.

>If i pass the drug test, that is... ;-(

When I worked at GNC we sold the occasional bottle of Goldenseal Root,
but that was primarily for beating a marijuana urinalysis according to
those customers requesting the product. Not sure how that worked or if
it'd be applicable to AS. ;o)

Hmm. I'm thinking t-shirts. Pete cartoon on the front. Massive
looking. And then Mr. O 2008 on the back.

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Curt
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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr.TakeThisOut@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
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> Dally <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote:
>
>> Take a look at this video. It's a beautiful thing to behold.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-IadDDsK4&search=ironmind
>>
>> WARNING: this video contains no porn, no scary noises, and is completely
>> safe for work to the extent that ANY screwing off online is safe at
>> work. It doesn't reference guns or dogs but could be considered
>> on-topic for MFW nonetheless.
>
> Could someone who knows more than me

are you referring to everyone on this planet?

> address the issue of form on those
> good mornings? I do mine unweighted (with a broomstick) as a sort of
> stretch/warmup, so of course I'm not going to bounce like that at the
> end but ... should there be any bounce at all? That looks way wrong to
> me.
>
> I do the exrx.net version:
>
> http://exrx.net/WeightExercises/Hamstrings/BBGoodMorning.html
>
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Dally wrote:
> Take a look at this video. It's a beautiful thing to behold.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-IadDDsK4&search=ironmind
>
> WARNING: this video contains no porn, no scary noises, and is completely
> safe for work to the extent that ANY screwing off online is safe at
> work. It doesn't reference guns or dogs but could be considered
> on-topic for MFW nonetheless.
>
> Dally

That's not how a squat OUGHT to look unless you're interested in
Weightlifting. He isn't lifting the weight until he gets half way up. I
can lift more by doing a partial so the weight he's lifting doesn't
surprise me. Weightlifting is about momentum and fast movements.
Powerlifting is about brute strength.
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Pete <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

re Ms. Cleo

>She is great, isnt she?
>But Cherokee, IMO is still the undisputed World Champion of Ass
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSfjUTajjYA
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWf-Z1QKo8U
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byO-qvctwc8
>
>Pay attention to those first few seconds... and take a tranquilizer

This is the landlord of the apartment building where Curt James lives.

....

FUCK YOU, Hanson!

Oh, yeah, anyway, we found Curt passed out on the floor as that video
was playing. He was taken by ambulance to Carlisle Hospital, but we're
pretty sure he's going to make it. He better - he owes me fifty
dollars!

Cherokee! DAMN! Get a loada THAT ASS!

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byO-qvctwc8
>
>And a few more.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ycD8lJNfs
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5Cubh6SGI
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hXyPSS2ftw
>
>I really think its time for group vote.
>Who is better, Cherokee or Cleo? Perhaps an another candidate?
>
>Remember we were discussing certain body ratios a few weeks ago?
>Well... i find a nice one, she makes both beyonce and Jennie Lopez look like
>amatuers
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYGJ3d_NZHU
>
>Did you see that hip/waist ratio?
>
>Okay, time to vote!
>
>1 vote for Cherokee.

1 vote for Miss Cleo. (Curt printed out several poster-sized images of
this chic and that swayed my vote.)

Well, I gotta go root through all Curt's stuff since he's probably
going to be at the hospital for a bit. But, yeah, I'm sure he'll
recover and be posting again real soon.

Later,
The Landlord (posting from Curt's PC)

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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:57:31 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>
><cramerj58 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Pete wrote:
>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>>>
>>> >> This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with
>>> >> that
>>> >> typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
>>> >> elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks
>>> >> before
>>> >> they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.
>>>
>>> > Yeah. i've squatted 280 kgs (617) in competition with the above
>>> > mentioned style and I couldn't even come close to this weight in a
>>> > hi-bar squat. Very impressive. Especially since he isn't fat and
>>> > bouncing his belly off his thighs.
>>>
>>> > That is a huge squat. I didn't add up the plates, but to me if it is
>>> > 295
>>> > kg that is like a 400 kg PL style squat.
>>>
>>>>
>>>< snip>
>>
>> The squat in the videa was most impressive but what would have
>> happened had he failed. There seemed to be no safety people/equipment
>> about.
>>
>
>Then he dumps the weight. He did that in the video. If you train seriously
>on movements like this, you learn to dump the weight. And if you ever
>watched olympic lifting, the dump the weight all the time.
>
One caveat. You only learn to dump the weight if you are using bumper
plates like oly lifters do. A powerlifter should never dump the
weight nor should he ever squat heavy without a spotter(s).
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:37:31 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>"Carl Crensom" <gig.RemoveThis@fish.mep> schreef:
>
>>> WARNING: this video contains no porn, no scary noises, and is completely
>>> safe for work to the extent that ANY screwing off online is safe at work.
>>> It doesn't reference guns or dogs but could be considered on-topic for
>>> MFW nonetheless.
>
>> They are fine if you're interested in Weightlifting but not Powerlifting .
>> I can squat more if I bounce out of the bottom too.
>
>He went deep, but he didnt bounce. His hams were close to the calves, but
>barely touched them.
>
>This type of squat impresses me a whole lot more then a PL sqaut, with that
>typical wide stance, feet 3 feet apart, a belt that could strangle an
>elephant and knee wraps so thight that these guys walk like ducks before
>they made it to the bar. This guy didnt use any of the above.
>

I can squat more with a narrow stance than a wide stance if I'm not
using any gear at all, including a belt.
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David <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote

[...]

>> Of course your contribution to the humour of this group has been a
>> constant joy; this specimen is typical, so keep up the good work Oz,
>> the Group is a pleasure to be part of because of people like you and
>> Curt.

The Group is a pleasure to be part of because of people like...
~*CURT!*~ Me, me, me, ME!!! (Okay, and that other guy, D something.)

Thank you, Charles. Yes, thank you, thank you. I realize the
incredibly wonderful addition I make to the general textual ambience
as well as the increased intelligence level I so handily bring to this
otherwise dull and boring non-site and I do appreciate your compliment
as an obviously well-deserved accolade.

As a result of your praise (and, yes, that Volkmer guy's) I will
certainly quadruple my posting habits at the very least. Quintuple?
Oh, heck, why not "increase by a hundredfold"? That's just easier.

(However, I promise I'll keep my comments brief in the future.
Something like, "Oh, that's just a pop-fitness web site. Poo poo!" to
make my goal of a hundredfold increase in posting.)

>> Have a great weekend - you know I will!! ;o)
>>
>> TFIF!
>
>Charles, ever since this Curt guy came on the scene you
>seem to be ignoring me. (OK, he might be funny occasionally
>but that's no reason to pay him a compliment as it will just go
>to his head and encourage him)

Encou...? David, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/
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Charles <jrh DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:

[...]

>Despite whatsoever your chum 'Emmy' may say about you
>Curt, you are without doubt the reigning funny man at MFW.

Making people laugh is my greatest joy, so thanks very much for that,
Charles.

>This used to be the purview of Cohen,

Not sure on the "used to be" as I've glared resentfully at many of his
posts recently. Cohen possesses a great combination of moxie and
chutzpah as well as smarts in abundance. No wonder I hate him so.

>who for reasons best known to himself appears to have lost his
>flair and equable impartiality.

Oh, well.

>Keep up the good work my friend as it is a pleasure to read your
>input. This response to Queenie cleared the tubes with a monstrous
>snort, and got my day off to a good start.

heh

Nothing tops your comment from way back when, though:

| "She considers herself quite a wit when she is dishing it out,
| but turns awfully brittle when she is on the receiving end.
|
| She swiftly consigned me to her alleged "killfiles" following a
| mauling I gave her, and I have been clear of the silly bitch and
| her spiteful ways for some time thank goodness!!"

Now THAT was a pleasure to read. )

>Continue having a great extended long weekend - you know
>I always do!
>;o)
>
>TFIF!

Yes, enjoy! I value your friendship and appreciate your point of view
greatly.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/
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In article <bLqdnQNOY_vjSQ_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d.RemoveThis@giganews.com>,
"j. d." <gosh.RemoveThis@fosh.min> wrote:

> Dally wrote:
> > Take a look at this video. It's a beautiful thing to behold.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-IadDDsK4&search=ironmind
> >
> > WARNING: this video contains no porn, no scary noises, and is completely
> > safe for work to the extent that ANY screwing off online is safe at
> > work. It doesn't reference guns or dogs but could be considered
> > on-topic for MFW nonetheless.
> >
> > Dally
>
> That's not how a squat OUGHT to look unless you're interested in
> Weightlifting. He isn't lifting the weight until he gets half way up. I
> can lift more by doing a partial so the weight he's lifting doesn't
> surprise me. Weightlifting is about momentum and fast movements.
> Powerlifting is about brute strength.

He isn't doing a partial. He is explosive enough he is making it look
easy. If it was easier to go ass to the grass why do you suppose
powerlifting only go to parallel?

--
Keith
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:22:33 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>In article <bLqdnQNOY_vjSQ_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d.TakeThisOut@giganews.com>,
> "j. d." <gosh.TakeThisOut@fosh.min> wrote:
>
>> Dally wrote:
>> > Take a look at this video. It's a beautiful thing to behold.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-IadDDsK4&search=ironmind
>> >
>> > WARNING: this video contains no porn, no scary noises, and is completely
>> > safe for work to the extent that ANY screwing off online is safe at
>> > work. It doesn't reference guns or dogs but could be considered
>> > on-topic for MFW nonetheless.
>> >
>> > Dally
>>
>> That's not how a squat OUGHT to look unless you're interested in
>> Weightlifting. He isn't lifting the weight until he gets half way up. I
>> can lift more by doing a partial so the weight he's lifting doesn't
>> surprise me. Weightlifting is about momentum and fast movements.
>> Powerlifting is about brute strength.
>
>He isn't doing a partial. He is explosive enough he is making it look
>easy. If it was easier to go ass to the grass why do you suppose
>powerlifting only go to parallel?

It's easier to go ATG than it is to just under parallel unless you are
wearing a suit. At least it certainly is for me.
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