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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:27 pm
Post subject: i actually squat and bench press on the same days
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I do this about once every 8 days or so...
i do it basically to be more efficient with my gym time, so that i
don't have to go into the weightroom as often. Do any of you do this?
How bad do you think it affects the average person's gains?
Personally, I don't think it's affecting me that much, and I have
gained on the bench since beginning to do this. I don't do a whole lot
of sets really...
I do basically a warmup set of 135 on the bench ..10 reps or so
then i jump up to 180 and do that about 4 times
then i go down to 175 and do that about 5 times
then 160 about 8 times
done on bench
then i go to squat...do 135 however many times i feel like...no more
than 6 or 7 but just because i get bored really
then i go up to 185...do that maybe 5 reps
then to 225... do that maybe 3 or 4 times...
then maybe i'll do a couple of clean and jerks with 140 to 145 or so...
so that's what I do about every 8 to 9 days or so...
I'm 25, 150 lbs...about 5'7..
I remember distinctly barely being able to bench press 135 lbs just
once about 4 years ago when I started lifting weights. Ahh..the newbie
gains...but I guess that's why I like benching so much because I know
how far I've come, even though I realize many others have made MUCH
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:42 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:31 pm
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Sag wrote:
> xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com ha escrito:
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> > I do this about once every 8 days or so...
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> Monday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
> Wednesday: Squat, behind the neck press and Deadlifts
> Friday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>
> alternating days rotator cuff and ab work.
>
> Gains have not stopped.
All I have to say is I hope you have good genetics b/c it seems like
perhaps you could be looking at overtraining...but maybe not depending
on your reps, sets, etc... how heavy/intense are you going on these
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:44 pm
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On 26 Dec 2006 15:27:24 -0800, xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:
>I do this about once every 8 days or so...
>
>
>i do it basically to be more efficient with my gym time, so that i
>don't have to go into the weightroom as often. Do any of you do this?
>How bad do you think it affects the average person's gains?
>
>Personally, I don't think it's affecting me that much, and I have
>gained on the bench since beginning to do this. I don't do a whole lot
>of sets really...
>
>I do basically a warmup set of 135 on the bench ..10 reps or so
>then i jump up to 180 and do that about 4 times
>then i go down to 175 and do that about 5 times
>then 160 about 8 times
>
>done on bench
>
>then i go to squat...do 135 however many times i feel like...no more
>than 6 or 7 but just because i get bored really
>then i go up to 185...do that maybe 5 reps
>then to 225... do that maybe 3 or 4 times...
>
>then maybe i'll do a couple of clean and jerks with 140 to 145 or so...
>
>so that's what I do about every 8 to 9 days or so...
>
>I'm 25, 150 lbs...about 5'7..
>
>I remember distinctly barely being able to bench press 135 lbs just
>once about 4 years ago when I started lifting weights. Ahh..the newbie
>gains...but I guess that's why I like benching so much because I know
>how far I've come, even though I realize many others have made MUCH
>more gains than I have in 4 years.
I know guys who squat, bench and deadlift on the same day and they do
it 3 times per week. One of them is about 30 and competes at 181 and
is about your height. He squats 575, benches 425 and deadlifts 630
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:54 am
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xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com ha escrito:
> Sag wrote:
> > xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com ha escrito:
> > Monday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
> > Wednesday: Squat, behind the neck press and Deadlifts
> > Friday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
> >
> > alternating days rotator cuff and ab work.
>
> All I have to say is I hope you have good genetics b/c it seems like
> perhaps you could be looking at overtraining...but maybe not depending
> on your reps, sets, etc... how heavy/intense are you going on these
> days?
Squats: medium (M), low(W), high intensity(F) schedule
Bench, Bar rows: high(M)/low(F) schedule
Deads and btn press: linear increase on wednesdays, either reps or
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:21 am
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Bully wrote:
> xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Sag wrote:
> >> xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com ha escrito:
> >>
> >>> I do this about once every 8 days or so...
> >>
> >> Monday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
> >> Wednesday: Squat, behind the neck press and Deadlifts
> >> Friday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
> >>
> >> alternating days rotator cuff and ab work.
> >>
> >> Gains have not stopped.
> >
> > All I have to say is I hope you have good genetics b/c it seems like
> > perhaps you could be looking at overtraining...
>
> Why do you say this? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
> overtrained would he still be getting gains?
>
> > but maybe not depending
>
> Oh, maybe not eh? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
> overtrained would he still be getting gains?
>
Well, I was getting gains for a while in the beginning, but I continued
at that beginning intensity for way too long and basically
overtrained...but like I said it only SOUNDS like he might be
overtraining...but probably not if he's been doing it for years.
> > on your reps, sets, etc... how heavy/intense are you going on these
> > days?
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
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> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss >> Stay informed about: i actually squat and bench press on the same days |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:52 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:59 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:28 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:30 am
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xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> Sag wrote:
>> xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com ha escrito:
>>
>>> I do this about once every 8 days or so...
>>
>> Monday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>> Wednesday: Squat, behind the neck press and Deadlifts
>> Friday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>>
>> alternating days rotator cuff and ab work.
>>
>> Gains have not stopped.
>
> All I have to say is I hope you have good genetics b/c it seems like
> perhaps you could be looking at overtraining...
Why do you say this? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
overtrained would he still be getting gains?
> but maybe not depending
Oh, maybe not eh? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
overtrained would he still be getting gains?
> on your reps, sets, etc... how heavy/intense are you going on these
> days?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:17 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:50 pm
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xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Sag wrote:
>>>> xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com ha escrito:
>>>>
>>>>> I do this about once every 8 days or so...
>>>>
>>>> Monday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>>>> Wednesday: Squat, behind the neck press and Deadlifts
>>>> Friday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>>>>
>>>> alternating days rotator cuff and ab work.
>>>>
>>>> Gains have not stopped.
>>>
>>> All I have to say is I hope you have good genetics b/c it seems like
>>> perhaps you could be looking at overtraining...
>>
>> Why do you say this? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he
>> IS overtrained would he still be getting gains?
>>
>>> but maybe not depending
>>
>> Oh, maybe not eh? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
>> overtrained would he still be getting gains?
>>
>
> Well, I was getting gains for a while in the beginning, but I
> continued at that beginning intensity for way too long and basically
> overtrained...
How did you know you were overtrained? How long did you stop training for?
> but like I said it only SOUNDS like he might be
> overtraining...but probably not if he's been doing it for years.
>
>
>>> on your reps, sets, etc... how heavy/intense are you going on these
>>> days?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
--
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Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:03 am
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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
[...]
> I'm <snip> not just an average gainer
> who likes to whine but a real hardgainer.
(glares)
I resemble that remark.  S
CliffsNotes: That's what I'd call a play on words, Andrzej. There's a
common retort, "I resent that remark," which indicates dissatisfaction
with what someone has said - typically an unjust or false accusation,
however the switch to the word resemble serves as an indication of
admission to the accusation while, yes, also indicating, perhaps,
unwarranted simultaneous resentment.
(cough)
Seriously, I think the definition of easy, average, and hard gainer are
relative and highly variable dependent on a person's perspective,
goals, expectations, and experience.
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R
And in the spirit of the misc. portion of misc.fitness.weights:
Had any of the bikes out recently? An unseasonably warm weather spell
has covered most of the Central and Eastern states thanks to an
agreeable jet stream. And due to that, my motorcycle has seen more than
a few miles recently. I suspect snow will fall in July.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:21 pm
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Dnia 2006-12-27 xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com napisał(a):
>
> Bully wrote:
>> xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > Sag wrote:
>> >> xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com ha escrito:
>> >>
>> >>> I do this about once every 8 days or so...
>> >>
>> >> Monday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>> >> Wednesday: Squat, behind the neck press and Deadlifts
>> >> Friday: Squat, bench and bar rows.
>> >>
>> >> alternating days rotator cuff and ab work.
>> >>
>> >> Gains have not stopped.
>> >
>> > All I have to say is I hope you have good genetics b/c it seems like
>> > perhaps you could be looking at overtraining...
>>
>> Why do you say this? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
>> overtrained would he still be getting gains?
>>
>> > but maybe not depending
>>
>> Oh, maybe not eh? Do you know anything about overtraining? If he IS
>> overtrained would he still be getting gains?
>>
>
> Well, I was getting gains for a while in the beginning, but I continued
> at that beginning intensity for way too long and basically
> overtrained...but like I said it only SOUNDS like he might be
> overtraining...but probably not if he's been doing it for years.
Maybe you overtrained or maybe you just overreached, which is fine.
For what it's worth, I do dips and chins three times a week. I go for
plenty of low rep sets, up to 10x3. Recently I'm able to reach failure
on many sets, and I'm not overtraining (I'm adjusting my technique to
change the difficulty of an exercise). I'm your proverbial hardgainer
too; fattest and weakest kid in the classroom, so not just an average
gainer who likes to whine but a real hardgainer.
And you know what? I'm getting thick! And I love it too.
So, you see, recovery is trainable and if you persist on training your
recovery ability it will increase over time. The trick is to back off
a bit when you cross the line, but this is learnable, and if you
persist on learning you'll learn.
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