Questions about being "skinny fat"

On 2007-11-13, Andrzej Rosa <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Will doing # 2 end up making the person look emaciated?
>
> Undoubtedly.

Not if they don't lose any weight (-;

Deep down, you don't really believe this thing about running not resulting in
weight loss, do you ?

Cheers,
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Elflord
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Dnia Wed, 14 Nov 2007 o 14:47 GMT Elflord napisa³(a):
> On 2007-11-13, Andrzej Rosa <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Will doing # 2 end up making the person look emaciated?
>>
>> Undoubtedly.
>
> Not if they don't lose any weight (-;
>
> Deep down, you don't really believe this thing about running not resulting in
> weight loss, do you ?

Of course it will result in weight loss, _if_ you don't eat to compensate
for the energy expended through running, _and_ do enough of it that you
can't compensate by moving less throughout the rest of the day.

Calorie deficit will always result in a weight loss, no matter how you do
it. There are bunch of reasons why people may want to run or do cardio.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't. There is a good reason to exercise
daily. It becomes a good habit much easier than with days off, because
there is no debating the issue. You simply go out and exercise every
day, just like you wash your teeth every day. Lifting weights daily
is difficult and I need several months of "building up" toward it, and
still it often borders on overtraining. "Cardio" seems to be easier on
recovery, so you can still do it on your off days.

I'm not blind to all advantages of endurance training. I simply refuse
to assume, that a calorie expense of aerobic exercise will automatically
transfer itself into a weight loss. I wrote this statement before, but
there is no harm in repeating it.

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On Nov 13, 4:44 pm, Steve <veganstir... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> If someone loses a lot of weight, how can they tell if they have loose
> skin or if they just need to lose more fat?

Loose skin?? I think that's just a polite term for "skinny fat."

Loose skin -- the real kind, like after liposuction without additional
cosmetic surgery for that loose skin -- actually looks worse than fat.

> Will loose skin tighten up on its own?

Generally speaking, it won't. If you're talking about so-called
skinny fat, well, that's genetics. I'd suspect that most such skinny
fat folks really can't do much about their looks.

> Will exercise make loose skin tighten up faster?

No, exercise is for health -- any "better looks" (as per current
fashion trends) is purely incidental.

> If someone who is skinny fat wants to remain slim, but become lean
> instead of being flabby which is the better course
>
> 1. Increase their calories slightly, focus on lifting weights, and
> building muscle?
>
> 2. Stablizie their caloric intake, focus on cardio and burning off
> the rest of the fat?

It's all genetics. I suspect that both options are viable --
depending on the individual.

It's probably easier to start doing the weights. Try something like
Bill Pearl's free online year-long weightlifting routine and see how
it works. (Actually, you should know -- if you're diligent -- within
a good three months at most.)

> Will doing # 2 end up making the person look emaciated?

It can. But genetics is the main factor -- and there's no way of
revealing those genetics unless one applies a program and see what
happens!

> In regards to # 1 how can they gain muscle but minimize the fat gain
> that comes with muscle?

Eat lean, not too many carbs, more protein -- and plenty of hard
training and generous rest!

> Is there a rate of weight gain, where if you
> go beyond you know you are putting on more fat than you need to?

Well, it's said that for every pound of fat lost a pound of muscle
goes with it, too...perhaps the reverse is true: every pound of muscle
gained could involve three extra pounds of fat??

Generally speaking, it's genetics.

I would advise you to not worry about looks at all -- that's genetics,
as you know by now -- but work on strength and overall health by doing
an Army PT program: regular jogging and calisthenics.

I was in the infantry, and there were some "fat" infantrymen who were
just naturally chunky no matter how hard the day or how many meals
missed when out in the field. But they were strong and healthy and
probably a lot tougher than typical civvie meatheads in the gym (like
what I am now).
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Dnia Wed, 14 Nov 2007 o 22:07 GMT Prisoner at War napisa³(a):
> On Nov 13, 4:44 pm, Steve <veganstir....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> It's all genetics.

Not everything is genetics. I've seen the Moon once, and it wasn't
genetics in any way.

[...]
>> Is there a rate of weight gain, where if you
>> go beyond you know you are putting on more fat than you need to?
>
> Well, it's said that for every pound of fat lost a pound of muscle
> goes with it, too...perhaps the reverse is true: every pound of muscle
> gained could involve three extra pounds of fat??
>
> Generally speaking, it's genetics.

Generally speaking, you are wrong, as usual. Beginners can gain muscles
rapidly and the rate at which they gain isn't all that different between
individuals. Genetically gifted people start being stronger and having
more muscles, but percent-wise all of us gain strength at the same rate.

If you start benching at 60 lbs, you won't become a world champion any time
soon, but you still will be able to double this number in roughly the
same time as someone who started at 200 lbs.

> I would advise you to not worry about looks at all -- that's genetics,

Genetics sets our predispositions, what we do with them isn't hard
wired. Everybody can improve and especially everybody can get in shape.
You don't need to be gifted to look all right.

> as you know by now -- but work on strength and overall health by doing
> an Army PT program: regular jogging and calisthenics.
>
> I was in the infantry, and there were some "fat" infantrymen who were
> just naturally chunky no matter how hard the day or how many meals
> missed when out in the field.

I guess that from the time of WWII genetics of Infantry underwent some
drastic changes...

[...]
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On Nov 14, 6:45 pm, Andrzej Rosa <bakt....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not everything is genetics. I've seen the Moon once, and it wasn't
> genetics in any way.

Sure it was. Some people are born congenitally blind, or color blind,
or with poor night vision.

> Generally speaking, you are wrong, as usual.

LOL! "As usual"?? You wouldn't happen to mean my contention that the
Nazis blitzed Poland, would you now, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????

LMAO

> Beginners can gain muscles
> rapidly and the rate at which they gain isn't all that different between
> individuals.

Operant word being "can."

Like I said, it's generally genetics. He should simply do what he has
to do to find out if he has those genetics (chances are, he does, most
anyone would). But in terms of that so-called skinny fat condition,
it's genetics, since skinny fat is a cosmetic issue which means
distribution of fat which means genetics...but don't let that stop you
from a good argument on a slow day in hell, Andy!

> Genetically gifted people start being stronger and having
> more muscles, but percent-wise all of us gain strength at the same rate.
>
> If you start benching at 60 lbs, you won't become a world champion any time
> soon, but you still will be able to double this number in roughly the
> same time as someone who started at 200 lbs.

Fine. Has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but thanks for
keeping me in mind.

> Genetics sets our predispositions, what we do with them isn't hard
> wired.

We're talking about body types here, man: "skinny fat" is a body type,
body types are genetically predetermined....

>Everybody can improve and especially everybody can get in shape.
> You don't need to be gifted to look all right.

Again, this is about "looks," and looks are generally genetic. People
have blitzed themselves throughout the '80s and '90s only to realize
now that, you know what, it was mostly genetics anyway. George Burns
smoking a cigar a day lives to be over 90 while that Russian Olympic
figure skater dies of a heart condition during practice at the age of
27. Same thing with muscles and overall bodily appearance.

> I guess that from the time of WWII genetics of Infantry underwent some
> drastic changes...

Hehe!! No clearer admission of your being in the wrong (about Poland
not being blitzed by the Germans) than that little non-sequitur of a
quip....

It's okay, Andy; we all make mistakes. The problem is not admitting
them, or even learning from them.

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On Nov 14, 3:45 pm, Andrzej Rosa <bakt....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Genetics sets our predispositions, what we do with them isn't hard
> wired. Everybody can improve and especially everybody can get in shape.
> You don't need to be gifted to look all right.


Progressive thinking .. POW old school thinking.
People play the genetics card when they dont want to make
more of themselves, when they dont want to test their limits
or theyd rather just stay on the couch and dont exercise at all.

Oh I cant get rid of my potbelly/fat this or that ..its my
'genetics' ..
cant fight genetics ya know..whatever ya loser ...

Genetics are are your basic code, yeah some people have better code
than others,
BUT ... what you do with what you have is up to you to be the very
best you can be
regardless of your 'genetics'. Saying your potential is all genetics
is BS.


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On Nov 15, 12:19 pm, joanne <jgr....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Progressive thinking .. POW old school thinking.

Not at all: the more science learns about the human condition the more
it realizes how much things turn of their own accord, and not through
some conscious ego-identified will of our own!

> People play the genetics card when they dont want to make
> more of themselves, when they dont want to test their limits
> or theyd rather just stay on the couch and dont exercise at all.

That's not true for me; until my injury this summer, I worked out
harder than most anyone: back in January, I was doing four or five-
hour workouts three to five times a week! And I'm one of the lucky
ones who look good without having to work out at all, actually. Which
is why I now say it's all about the genetics. I've only come to that
conclusion this year. I used be be pretty much 90% in the "effort"
school of thought, but now I see that at least a good half of any
progress anyone sees is due to genetics.

Now, that "genetics" has been used as an excuse by lazy-bones doesn't
mean I'm discredited in what I say. Your way of thinking is like
those people who win the lottery and think God was looking out for
them! Preposterous. It's mostly just plain dumb luck -- genetics, in
our case WRT bodybuilding and strength and good health.

> Oh I cant get rid of my potbelly/fat this or that ..its my
> 'genetics' ..
> cant fight genetics ya know..whatever ya loser ...

So you believe in spot reduction?

He's not simply complaining about a pot belly, he's talking about that
peculiar condition of being skinny-fat; he's not pigging out,
presumably; his brain has been hard-wired to prefer depositing fat on
his tummy. What are you going to do about that? He can work out hard
as he wants, and sure that belly will do down, but so will the rest of
him (since you can't spot reduce), with the net result that he still
has the same shape, only less of it! But the shape, the physique, is
the same: slim everywhere except on the belly!

> Genetics are are your basic code, yeah some people have better code
> than others,
> BUT ... what you do with what you have is up to you to be the very
> best you can be
> regardless of your 'genetics'. Saying your potential is all genetics
> is BS.

I didn't say anyone's potential is all genetics.

You need to learn reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.
I suggest you start by asking whether you have a genetic disposition
to using your brain for shitting and using your ass for thinking.

> joanne
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