shoes in squats

Dave K <noemail.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
> hour"s (hint hint).

Suck it up and find some shoes you can live with. The gym has liability
issues, similar to the ones an employer might have if you tried to walk
around at work without shoes.
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:56:10 GMT, dhrravr.DeleteThis@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Dave K <noemail.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
>> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
>> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
>> hour"s (hint hint).
>
>Suck it up and find some shoes you can live with. The gym has liability
>issues, similar to the ones an employer might have if you tried to walk
>around at work without shoes.

I found the below post from 2004. Does this imply that once they've
informed me of the rules, their ass is covered if I choose to go
without shoes, and they don't have to hassle me about it after the
first time?

I found some other great posts in the same thread, suggesting bunny
slippers, but this was the most mundane I think.

Dave


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topfit Dec 26 2004, 11:42 am

admit that I haven't read all 14 pages of replies, so sorry if this
has already been said.

Unfortunately, in this litigious age, the gym has to protect itself.
Even when people are responsible for their own injuries, the may sue
the person/business with the insurance.

Shoes may be required not only for sanitary reasons (so you won't
catch
or spread fungus for example), but if you drop a weight on your foot
with a shoe on you will probably only break the bones. As bad as this
is, if you are barefoot or only have socks on, you will very likely
break the skin which invariably makes the injury exponentially worse
because of the risk of infection.

So, the gym's owner is just trying to cover his own butt. By posting
the rules or telling you in person, his butt is covered. Hopefully
that's where it ends and the owner won't be an a** and kick you out.

That's what's so nice about lifting at home...if I decide to take the
risk and lift barefoot, I can do it because there are no other
potential litigants worried about their liability.

www.topfitonline.com
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Dave K <noemail.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in
news:vl54411f9j0f9gdesrd72961jh57d7oq7v@4ax.com:

> I was at the gym yesterday, and some employee interrupted me in the
> middle of a squat rep, twice no less, as if I should toss the weight
> off my shoulders and stand at attention. After I racked the bar, he
> told me to put my shoes on, and that it was a strict policy.
>
> Now, I'm all for barefoot, but I can kind of emphathize with it,
> enough to not care under most circumstances. But the squat rack is
> going too far, and I consider it a safety hazard to be required to
> wear shoes. Shoes have padding, and balance is best on a stable
> surface. Any shoes by nature provide a less stable surface than the
> gym floor.
>
> It's the only type of rack I've ever seen in person, so my description
> might be overkill, but it's got the big pins sticking out to rack the
> bar at different heights, and that's it, no other safety precautions.
> And it's a barbell, so it's not like I'm going to drop dumbells on my
> feet.
>
> From what the club manager told me, it sounds like the shoes thing is
> the corp's way of getting a better insurance rate, and he's not
> willing to accommodate me.
>
> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
> hour"s (hint hint).
>
> A friend suggested I tell the guy next time, "No it's ok, I talked to
> the club manager and he said it was alright, as long as I stay within
> the rack with them off."
>
> What do you think?
>
> Dave

Moccasins.

Hugh

--
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On 24 Mar 2005 02:10:28 GMT, Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote:

>> What do you think?
>>
>> Dave
>
>Moccasins.
>
> Hugh

Funny you say that, because I'm getting ready to make a pair of
Apache-style moccasins with elk or cow hide, rawhide sole, and a crepe
inner sole glued on. But I'm thinking of making a softsole pair
without the rawhide sole that I can use for non-ravaging surfaces such
as the gym floor.

Dave
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Dave K <noemail.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:56:10 GMT, dhrravr.DeleteThis@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >Dave K <noemail.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
> >> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
> >> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
> >> hour"s (hint hint).
> >
> >Suck it up and find some shoes you can live with. The gym has liability
> >issues, similar to the ones an employer might have if you tried to walk
> >around at work without shoes.
>
> I found the below post from 2004. Does this imply that once they've
> informed me of the rules, their ass is covered if I choose to go
> without shoes, and they don't have to hassle me about it after the
> first time?

How the hell should I know? I'm not a lawyer and I don't own a gym.
You need to ask the people who make the rules at your gym. And chances
are excellent that they'll tell you no, you need to wear shoes. So
either lift at home, where you can set the rules, or buy some shoes.
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"Dave K" <noemail RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:56:10 GMT, dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
>>Dave K <noemail RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall
>>> remain
>>> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently
>>> located,
>>> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
>>> hour"s (hint hint).
>>
>>Suck it up and find some shoes you can live with. The gym has
>>liability
>>issues, similar to the ones an employer might have if you tried to
>>walk
>>around at work without shoes.
>
> I found the below post from 2004. Does this imply that once they've
> informed me of the rules, their ass is covered if I choose to go
> without shoes, and they don't have to hassle me about it after the
> first time?

-snip-

Insurance companies give better rates to facilities that enforce rules
that lower the risk of injury. They _do_ have to hassle you if they
want to keep their insurance rates or they risk losing those rates -
it's not uncommon for insurance companies to check up on the facilities
they insure when it comes to things like this - I've seen them send
people in to fake a drowning in a pool just to see how long it would
take the lifeguards to notice the body on the bottom of the pool. The
likelihood is that statistics have shown that more people get hurt
without shoes, e.g., they stub a toe or drop a weight on their foot,
whatever. That's why the rule on the part of the insurance company.
Find yourself another gym or squat in Chuck Taylors - no big deal here,
really.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:41 GMT, Usenet Posting
<usenetposting.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:43:54 GMT, Dave K <noemail.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>I was at the gym yesterday, and some employee interrupted me in the
>>middle of a squat rep, twice no less, as if I should toss the weight
>>off my shoulders and stand at attention. After I racked the bar, he
>>told me to put my shoes on, and that it was a strict policy.
>>
>>Now, I'm all for barefoot, but I can kind of emphathize with it,
>>enough to not care under most circumstances. But the squat rack is
>>going too far, and I consider it a safety hazard to be required to
>>wear shoes. Shoes have padding, and balance is best on a stable
>>surface. Any shoes by nature provide a less stable surface than the
>>gym floor.
>>
>>It's the only type of rack I've ever seen in person, so my description
>>might be overkill, but it's got the big pins sticking out to rack the
>>bar at different heights, and that's it, no other safety precautions.
>>And it's a barbell, so it's not like I'm going to drop dumbells on my
>>feet.
>>
>>From what the club manager told me, it sounds like the shoes thing is
>>the corp's way of getting a better insurance rate, and he's not
>>willing to accommodate me.
>>
>>What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
>>nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
>>so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
>>hour"s (hint hint).
>>
>>A friend suggested I tell the guy next time, "No it's ok, I talked to
>>the club manager and he said it was alright, as long as I stay within
>>the rack with them off."
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>Dave
>
>Gym employees will always take this as their opportunity to come over
>and "exercise their authority". First, someone always will find it
>"gross" that your shoes are off and will go tell someone. Second,
>they all have rules that require shoes.
>
>I was lifting once with boat shoes and was told I'd have to leave. I
>said no which of course prompted the whole staff to come over. I
>think they could tell the only way I was leaving was if the police
>came and took me away so we agreed I'd wear "appropriate" shoes next
>time.

I thought you preferred ballet shoes Mikey!! ;o)

Have a great weekend old love - I intend to!!

TFIE!!
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:53:21 GMT, dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>Dave K <noemail RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:56:10 GMT, dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
>> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> >Dave K <noemail RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
>> >> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
>> >> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
>> >> hour"s (hint hint).
>> >
>> >Suck it up and find some shoes you can live with. The gym has liability
>> >issues, similar to the ones an employer might have if you tried to walk
>> >around at work without shoes.
>>
>> I found the below post from 2004. Does this imply that once they've
>> informed me of the rules, their ass is covered if I choose to go
>> without shoes, and they don't have to hassle me about it after the
>> first time?
>
>How the hell should I know? I'm not a lawyer and I don't own a gym.
>You need to ask the people who make the rules at your gym. And chances
>are excellent that they'll tell you no, you need to wear shoes. So
>either lift at home, where you can set the rules, or buy some shoes.

It wasn't addressed specifically to you, and I did already indicate
that I spoke with the manager.

Dave
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:41 GMT, Usenet Posting
<usenetposting.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gym employees will always take this as their opportunity to come over
>and "exercise their authority". First, someone always will find it
>"gross" that your shoes are off and will go tell someone. Second,
>they all have rules that require shoes.
>
>I was lifting once with boat shoes and was told I'd have to leave. I
>said no which of course prompted the whole staff to come over. I
>think they could tell the only way I was leaving was if the police
>came and took me away so we agreed I'd wear "appropriate" shoes next
>time.

What are boat shoes like?

Dave
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Dave K <noemail.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:53:21 GMT, dhrravr.RemoveThis@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>
> >Dave K <noemail.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:56:10 GMT, dhrravr.RemoveThis@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
> >> Cans and Jars) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Dave K <noemail.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> What do you suggest I do? It's a huge corporate chain who shall remain
> >> >> nameless. My membership is only $17/mo, and it's conveniently located,
> >> >> so I don't want to find another gym, and I like how it's open "24
> >> >> hour"s (hint hint).
> >> >
> >> >Suck it up and find some shoes you can live with. The gym has liability
> >> >issues, similar to the ones an employer might have if you tried to walk
> >> >around at work without shoes.
> >>
> >> I found the below post from 2004. Does this imply that once they've
> >> informed me of the rules, their ass is covered if I choose to go
> >> without shoes, and they don't have to hassle me about it after the
> >> first time?
> >
> >How the hell should I know? I'm not a lawyer and I don't own a gym.
> >You need to ask the people who make the rules at your gym. And chances
> >are excellent that they'll tell you no, you need to wear shoes. So
> >either lift at home, where you can set the rules, or buy some shoes.
>
> It wasn't addressed specifically to you,

You responded to my post. That's all the specificity anyone needs on
usenet.

> and I did already indicate that I spoke with the manager.

And he told you to wear shoes, and you're here looking for justification
to support the idea that you're the most unique snowflake and your squat
technique is the most specialest and you don't have to follow their
stupid meanyhead rules.

Butch up and stop whining.
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:53:11 GMT, dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of
Cans and Jars) wrote:

>You responded to my post. That's all the specificity anyone needs on
>usenet.
>
>> and I did already indicate that I spoke with the manager.
>
>And he told you to wear shoes, and you're here looking for justification
>to support the idea that you're the most unique snowflake and your squat
>technique is the most specialest and you don't have to follow their
>stupid meanyhead rules.
>
>Butch up and stop whining.

Whooo! And they say there's no such thing as roid rage.
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Dave K <noemail RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> >Butch up and stop whining.
>
> Whooo! And they say there's no such thing as roid rage.

Stupid *and* ignorant - you're quite the catch.
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