push-ups on off days - messing with recovery?

Pushups are like benching a little more than 2/3 your body weight--at least
according the bathroom scale.

So if you are 180, benching 360, pushups are not likely going to interfere
w/ anything, ever,, esp. in the lower body. They'd be like a warmup.
If you are 240, benching 180 1RM, then a pushups on the off days might
interfere, depending depending.

If you are in the middle, and you really feel like doing them the day after
upper body, proly just don't do them to fatigue.
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"funkdys" <whoyoo DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've been working out 3 to 4 times a week - primary objective is to
> gain mass. Before going to the gym regularly I used to do push-ups
> pretty regularly. I find myself wanting to do push-ups still but end
> up not doing them because I'm concerned about that interfering with
> recovery from lifting. Is that a valid concern?
>
> If I do 50 to 100 push-ups a day in addition to going to the gym 4 days
> a week (2 days upper body; 2 days lower body; alternating), is that
> likely to do any harm (i.e., get in the way of recovery)? I feel good
> after doing push-ups and would like to do them regularly, if there is a
> way for me to do so without changing my lifting routine.
>
> Appreciate any thoughts/advice/suggestions.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

Dnia 2006-11-21 funkdys napisa³(a):
> I've been working out 3 to 4 times a week - primary objective is to
> gain mass. Before going to the gym regularly I used to do push-ups
> pretty regularly. I find myself wanting to do push-ups still but end
> up not doing them because I'm concerned about that interfering with
> recovery from lifting. Is that a valid concern?
>
> If I do 50 to 100 push-ups a day in addition to going to the gym 4 days
> a week (2 days upper body; 2 days lower body; alternating), is that
> likely to do any harm (i.e., get in the way of recovery)? I feel good
> after doing push-ups and would like to do them regularly, if there is a
> way for me to do so without changing my lifting routine.
>
> Appreciate any thoughts/advice/suggestions.

You can do pushups between weight sessions. It's called active
recovery and it often results in faster recovery rates. Just do not
kill yourself with those pushups. Frequent stimulation results in
substantial hypertrophy, so it can actually help.

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 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

I've read that light aerobics might also do this, as well as speed any doms
recovery. The mechanism appears to be one of mainly better cellular
nutrition, detoxification from increased blood flow, altho other
stress-induced signalling could be involved.
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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dnia 2006-11-21 funkdys napisa³(a):
>> I've been working out 3 to 4 times a week - primary objective is to
>> gain mass. Before going to the gym regularly I used to do push-ups
>> pretty regularly. I find myself wanting to do push-ups still but end
>> up not doing them because I'm concerned about that interfering with
>> recovery from lifting. Is that a valid concern?
>>
>> If I do 50 to 100 push-ups a day in addition to going to the gym 4 days
>> a week (2 days upper body; 2 days lower body; alternating), is that
>> likely to do any harm (i.e., get in the way of recovery)? I feel good
>> after doing push-ups and would like to do them regularly, if there is a
>> way for me to do so without changing my lifting routine.
>>
>> Appreciate any thoughts/advice/suggestions.
>
> You can do pushups between weight sessions. It's called active
> recovery and it often results in faster recovery rates. Just do not
> kill yourself with those pushups. Frequent stimulation results in
> substantial hypertrophy, so it can actually help.
>
> --
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>
 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

Funk,

As mentioned it will depend on your strength levels. There are many
people who would struggle to do 100 pushups and some who would not be
able to do so. If you are sufficiantly strong than there is no problem.
It would help you out by increased blood flow and oxygen to the muscles
which will help your body rid itself of any build up lactic acid from
the workout.

The best way for you to do this would be to do sets of 10 with short
rest periods, about 30 seconds (again if you are strong enough), until
you get to the desired amount of reps.

For gaining weight diet also plays a big role. Get enough calories from
good sources!!

Caleb
www.peakperformance-training.com


funkdys wrote:
> I've been working out 3 to 4 times a week - primary objective is to
> gain mass. Before going to the gym regularly I used to do push-ups
> pretty regularly. I find myself wanting to do push-ups still but end
> up not doing them because I'm concerned about that interfering with
> recovery from lifting. Is that a valid concern?
>
> If I do 50 to 100 push-ups a day in addition to going to the gym 4 days
> a week (2 days upper body; 2 days lower body; alternating), is that
> likely to do any harm (i.e., get in the way of recovery)? I feel good
> after doing push-ups and would like to do them regularly, if there is a
> way for me to do so without changing my lifting routine.
>
> Appreciate any thoughts/advice/suggestions.
 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

cnw44 RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> Funk,
>
> As mentioned it will depend on your strength levels. There are many
> people who would struggle to do 100 pushups and some who would not be
> able to do so. If you are sufficiantly strong than there is no problem.
> It would help you out by increased blood flow and oxygen to the muscles
> which will help your body rid itself of any build up lactic acid from
> the workout.
>
> The best way for you to do this would be to do sets of 10 with short
> rest periods, about 30 seconds (again if you are strong enough), until
> you get to the desired amount of reps.
>

Good insights - thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated.

> For gaining weight diet also plays a big role. Get enough calories from
> good sources!!
>
> Caleb
> www.peakperformance-training.com
>
>
> funkdys wrote:
> > I've been working out 3 to 4 times a week - primary objective is to
> > gain mass. Before going to the gym regularly I used to do push-ups
> > pretty regularly. I find myself wanting to do push-ups still but end
> > up not doing them because I'm concerned about that interfering with
> > recovery from lifting. Is that a valid concern?
> >
> > If I do 50 to 100 push-ups a day in addition to going to the gym 4 days
> > a week (2 days upper body; 2 days lower body; alternating), is that
> > likely to do any harm (i.e., get in the way of recovery)? I feel good
> > after doing push-ups and would like to do them regularly, if there is a
> > way for me to do so without changing my lifting routine.
> >
> > Appreciate any thoughts/advice/suggestions.
 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

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 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

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> Hey, there's a new spammer in town !!!

New spammer perhaps, but the same old frigging echo.

Still, you're one step up from Schuh. You at least didn't REpost the
seemingly offending URL.

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 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:28:32 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay RemoveThis @optonline2.718.net> wrote:

>Pushups are like benching a little more than 2/3 your body weight--at least
>according the bathroom scale.
>
>So if you are 180, benching 360, pushups are not likely going to interfere
>w/ anything, ever,, esp. in the lower body. They'd be like a warmup.

So that would be about like benching 120 (2/3 or 180), right? And 120
is 1/3 of 360, so it sounds like you are saying that a light workout
(about 1/3 of 1RM) between hard workouts can actually speed recovery
provided that you don;t get close to fatigue. Is that what you are
saying?

>If you are 240, benching 180 1RM, then a pushups on the off days might
>interfere, depending depending.

But a few sets benching 60 might speed recovery, right?

>If you are in the middle, and you really feel like doing them the day after
>upper body, proly just don't do them to fatigue.

Does fatigue = failure or is it a bit before that?

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"LurfysMa" <invalid DeleteThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:28:32 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay DeleteThis @optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>>Pushups are like benching a little more than 2/3 your body weight--at
>>least
>>according the bathroom scale.
>>
>>So if you are 180, benching 360, pushups are not likely going to interfere
>>w/ anything, ever,, esp. in the lower body. They'd be like a warmup.
>
> So that would be about like benching 120 (2/3 or 180), right? And 120
> is 1/3 of 360, so it sounds like you are saying that a light workout
> (about 1/3 of 1RM) between hard workouts can actually speed recovery
> provided that you don;t get close to fatigue. Is that what you are
> saying?

Basically.
It also depends how you feel. If you have raging doms, most people don't
even want to push a pencil. But sometimes workouts do leave you sort of
itching for more, so moderate stuff would seem not to interfere, and as
Andre said, and stuff on aerobics indicates, could help.

>
>>If you are 240, benching 180 1RM, then a pushups on the off days might
>>interfere, depending depending.
>
> But a few sets benching 60 might speed recovery, right?

Yes, or inclined pushups. 45 degrees is roughly half that of a level
pushup.
>
>>If you are in the middle, and you really feel like doing them the day
>>after
>>upper body, proly just don't do them to fatigue.
>
> Does fatigue = failure or is it a bit before that?

Yes, fatigue technically is before failure, altho some people use it
interchangeably.
If I had your concerns, I would do pushups, or inclined pushups just to the
point where I could detect the lactic acid burn, and stop. Just guessing,
but I think rep-wise that's about half the reps you could to until true
failure.
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:29:48 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay.DeleteThis@optonline2.718.net> wrote:

>
>
>"LurfysMa" <invalid.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:nbf9m29h2dllrq2dr9sjk4tai306tob919@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:28:32 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>> <entropic3.14decay.DeleteThis@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Pushups are like benching a little more than 2/3 your body weight--at
>>>least
>>>according the bathroom scale.
>>>
>>>So if you are 180, benching 360, pushups are not likely going to interfere
>>>w/ anything, ever,, esp. in the lower body. They'd be like a warmup.
>>
>> So that would be about like benching 120 (2/3 or 180), right? And 120
>> is 1/3 of 360, so it sounds like you are saying that a light workout
>> (about 1/3 of 1RM) between hard workouts can actually speed recovery
>> provided that you don;t get close to fatigue. Is that what you are
>> saying?
>
>Basically.
>It also depends how you feel. If you have raging doms, most people don't
>even want to push a pencil.

That kind of soreness is rare for me except after a layoff.

>But sometimes workouts do leave you sort of
>itching for more, so moderate stuff would seem not to interfere, and as
>Andre said, and stuff on aerobics indicates, could help.
>
>>
>>>If you are 240, benching 180 1RM, then a pushups on the off days might
>>>interfere, depending depending.
>>
>> But a few sets benching 60 might speed recovery, right?
>
>Yes, or inclined pushups. 45 degrees is roughly half that of a level
>pushup.

Inclined pushups are a great idea. Thanks.

To nitpick, a 45 degree incline would be 71% (.7071) of full weight.
To get 50%, the elevation needs to be 60 degrees.

>>>If you are in the middle, and you really feel like doing them the day
>>>after
>>>upper body, proly just don't do them to fatigue.
>>
>> Does fatigue = failure or is it a bit before that?
>
>Yes, fatigue technically is before failure, altho some people use it
>interchangeably.

That's how I see it.

>If I had your concerns, I would do pushups, or inclined pushups just to the
>point where I could detect the lactic acid burn, and stop. Just guessing,
>but I think rep-wise that's about half the reps you could to until true
>failure.

Some good thoughts. Thanks.

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Dnia 2006-11-23 LurfysMa napisa³(a):
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:29:48 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
><entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>>"LurfysMa" <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>>Basically.
>>It also depends how you feel. If you have raging doms, most people don't
>>even want to push a pencil.
>
> That kind of soreness is rare for me except after a layoff.

With frequent training do not treat soreness as an indicator of
anything substantial. In general, you won't be sore even in the
depths of overtraining.

>>> But a few sets benching 60 might speed recovery, right?
>>
>>Yes, or inclined pushups. 45 degrees is roughly half that of a level
>>pushup.
>
> Inclined pushups are a great idea. Thanks.

I'd do normal pushups for lower reps.

> To nitpick, a 45 degree incline would be 71% (.7071) of full weight.
> To get 50%, the elevation needs to be 60 degrees.

Whatever. Important thing is to learn when you are overdoing things.
You can do the exact same routine and one week it's not enough, and the
next one it's way too much. How come?

>>> Does fatigue = failure or is it a bit before that?
>>
>>Yes, fatigue technically is before failure, altho some people use it
>>interchangeably.
>
> That's how I see it.
>
>>If I had your concerns, I would do pushups, or inclined pushups just to the
>>point where I could detect the lactic acid burn, and stop. Just guessing,
>>but I think rep-wise that's about half the reps you could to until true
>>failure.
>
> Some good thoughts. Thanks.

I train frequently and I assess my load based mostly on my feelings and
mental freshness. How you feel about doing next set is more important
than all the logbook worth of science. Your tolerance to stress of a
training stimulus changes, so you should adjust the load according to
what you can recover from *right now*. Mind and feelings are first
indicators of overreaching for me, and most probably for you too.

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 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery? 

45 deg = .7071 is correct.
But remember, your body does not have a strictly uniform weight
distribution, and your head is "torquing" above the arms.
I haven't actually correlated all angles w/ net force, but it's pretty easy
to do w/ a bathroom scale on various height bars, furniture, etc.
Well, not so easy--you gotta do a lot of tape-measure work, AND make sure
the goddamm scale don't slip!
Also, you'll note maybe 15-20# diffs (at least in the full pushup) between
arms collapsed, and arms extended.
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> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:29:48 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay.TakeThisOut@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"LurfysMa" <invalid.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:nbf9m29h2dllrq2dr9sjk4tai306tob919@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:28:32 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>>> <entropic3.14decay.TakeThisOut@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pushups are like benching a little more than 2/3 your body weight--at
>>>>least
>>>>according the bathroom scale.
>>>>
>>>>So if you are 180, benching 360, pushups are not likely going to
>>>>interfere
>>>>w/ anything, ever,, esp. in the lower body. They'd be like a warmup.
>>>
>>> So that would be about like benching 120 (2/3 or 180), right? And 120
>>> is 1/3 of 360, so it sounds like you are saying that a light workout
>>> (about 1/3 of 1RM) between hard workouts can actually speed recovery
>>> provided that you don;t get close to fatigue. Is that what you are
>>> saying?
>>
>>Basically.
>>It also depends how you feel. If you have raging doms, most people don't
>>even want to push a pencil.
>
> That kind of soreness is rare for me except after a layoff.
>
>>But sometimes workouts do leave you sort of
>>itching for more, so moderate stuff would seem not to interfere, and as
>>Andre said, and stuff on aerobics indicates, could help.
>>
>>>
>>>>If you are 240, benching 180 1RM, then a pushups on the off days might
>>>>interfere, depending depending.
>>>
>>> But a few sets benching 60 might speed recovery, right?
>>
>>Yes, or inclined pushups. 45 degrees is roughly half that of a level
>>pushup.
>
> Inclined pushups are a great idea. Thanks.
>
> To nitpick, a 45 degree incline would be 71% (.7071) of full weight.
> To get 50%, the elevation needs to be 60 degrees.
>
>>>>If you are in the middle, and you really feel like doing them the day
>>>>after
>>>>upper body, proly just don't do them to fatigue.
>>>
>>> Does fatigue = failure or is it a bit before that?
>>
>>Yes, fatigue technically is before failure, altho some people use it
>>interchangeably.
>
> That's how I see it.
>
>>If I had your concerns, I would do pushups, or inclined pushups just to
>>the
>>point where I could detect the lactic acid burn, and stop. Just guessing,
>>but I think rep-wise that's about half the reps you could to until true
>>failure.
>
> Some good thoughts. Thanks.
>
> --
>
 >> Stay informed about: push-ups on off days - messing with recovery?