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Since: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:05 am
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David Cohen wrote:
> Pentastar wrote:
> > David Cohen wrote:
> > > Pentastar wrote:
> > > > 21 years old,.5'10"
> > > > On my fat loss program, I'm now currently at 141 lbs and 9.2% body fat
> > > > according to Tanita Scale using regular adult mode at sedentary
> > > > activity level setting. Goal is 7% BF.
> > > >
> > > > How do you tell when your leptin levels drop and that it's time to
> > > > refeed?
> > >
> > > At 5'10" and 141 pounds, you can tell it's time to refeed because a
> > > light breeze blows you into the next county.
> > >
> > > David
> >
> > Clap:::Clap:::Clap:::LOL ;-D LOL:::Clap:::Clap:::Clap
> >
> > >From looking at my chart, it appears that I've been hitting baseline or
> > a little above at times in terms of intake. Whenever I have a social
> > gathering, holiday, or when going out to eat with friends/family, I
> > generally take a day off and eat at neutral or excess calories.
> > Usually, those are unplanned. However, it's done more or less seldomly.
> > On these days, I could consider them refeeds even though I didn't
> > actually plan them that way.
> >
> > I 'could' say they were 'probably' beneficial for my fat loss even
> > though I didn't realize it as being beneficial. I'm not sure how much
> > more often I will need to refeed as I get to lower body fat levels.
> >
> > When you do your refeed days, how do you generally do them?
> >
> > On the other hand, I went and bought some more fish oil supplements for
> > EFA's. I'm taking 6 capsules 3xday w/ meals. I had also started taking
> > 750mg Calcium Bis-Glycinate 3xday the other week.
>
> If you were 5'10" and 195 pounds at 9% trying to get to 7%, i'd say you
> were a bodybuilder. At 5'10" and 141 pounds at 9% trying to get to 7%,
> you have an eating disorder/body dysmorphic syndrome, and need to see a
> psychiatrist.
>
> And, no, I'm not joking. You need professional help.
>
> David
Ok...whatever. I will mention, though, that I'm 'not' starting from
9.2%, but I had started from 14% months ago. I'm currently at 9.2% en
route to 7%. I've been doing this program for months. I forgot to note
this in my original post.
Not to be overly generic here, but you don't need to go up and jump to
conclusions here.
My original intent on my original post was to ask a couple of questions
about leptin levels and adaptations.
I just want a goal to strive for. And, of course, I would like to look
more cut as well. Anyone would, I suppose.
Kinda like wanting to see what your car can do by testing out it's top
speed on the interstate/highway (to like 120+ MPH) and 'manually
shifting' the automatic transmission, 1-2-D, to wind out the gears to
max RPM's (right before redline at times) and max speeds to squeeze out
more performance.
I like to compare a car to the human body. A fat loss program can be
like driving or traveling. Basically, traveling to your BF% goal.
Program Shifter Functions (like the auto transmission shifter
functions):
(P)ark = Off-Program
(R)everse = Refeed/Bulk-Up Mode
(N)eutral = Neutral Energy Balance/Maintenance Calories/Baseline Mode
(D)rive = Diet Mode (aka Sustained Cal Deficit Mode)
(2) = Kcal Mode 2/Low Cal Mode (high deficit mode)
(1) = Kcal Mode 1/Very Low Cal Mode (very high deficit mode)
Cruise Control = Nearly Constant Kcal intake, to provide a constant
Kcal Deficit day after day
MPH = Rate of Fat/Weight Loss, measured in average 'weekly' deficit.
FUEL = weekly avg intake of Kcal.
Stalling = Plateau
Oil Pressure = State of metabolism. In an engine low oil pressure
indicates poor condition.
RPM = how hard you're pushing your fat loss/cutting your calories
down/winding out your deficits, etc. 'Over-taching', or over-revving,
your fat loss program too much, for example, leads to muscle loss and
metabolism slowdown.
TRIP = Rolling Average Trend Weight/BF%
Odometer = Cumulative Deficit throughout program
On another note, I'm currently going to a technical college for a
2-year Associates Degree in Automotive Service Technician. I plan to be
a mechanic, get ASE certified, and eventually work at a Chrysler
dealership. I'm a Mopar/Chrysler freak e.g. the "pentastar" logo.
What I like to do sometimes is blend automotive concepts into my body
recomposition programs. pretty unique and very correlative. >> Stay informed about: Fat loss progress |
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Since: Jan 12, 2005 Posts: 481
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:36 am
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"Pentastar" <Pentastar90 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>> Pentastar <Pentastar90 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Goal is 7% BF.
>>
>> Why?
>
> So, I will look better, I think.
>
> To go on a tangent here,
>
> There's a person called Ron Brown who does a book called the Body Fat
> Guide. He has his own website, too, www.bodyfatguide.com . He's got
> these wierd principles. He says that if you lift weights while you're
> in a kcal deficit, then you will lose muscle.
> Rubbish, I feel this is. Almost every post I've read on this usenet
> section says that you have to do resistance exercise to maintain muscle
> mass while trying to lose fat.
>
> Also, Ron Brown says it's ok to do fast fat loss programs, like 2 lbs
> every few days where you maintain 2,333 kcal deficits. Hmmm....yet,
> he's against crash diets. Sounds hypocritical, doesn't it? Basically,
> in this case, he tells you to walk 3.5 mph for hours and hours each day
> and eat as low as 1,100 calories.
>
> Myself? I would not recommend doing this unless you want to do costly
> damage to your metabolism.
>
> He sounds like quackery to me esp. after reading about his fast fat
> loss pages on his site fairly recently.
> I bet he's in this for the money.
> .
> Agree?
>
Seen that site. Ignore it. Go to bodyrecomposition.com if you want better
info.
For your base question, if you're not stalling out I see no reason to
change anything. Some days a little above, most days a little below, keep
things moving in the direction you want, keep it up until they stop. Then
look for something more drastic if you're still not happy.
Hugh
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Since: Jan 24, 2005 Posts: 1423
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:07 am
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Since: Jul 09, 2005 Posts: 339
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:08 am
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Since: Jul 09, 2005 Posts: 339
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:12 am
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Since: Jan 24, 2005 Posts: 1423
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:21 am
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"Joe Humble" <joehumble RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
\>>If you were 5'10" and 195 pounds at 9% trying to get to 7%, i'd say you
>>were a bodybuilder. At 5'10" and 141 pounds at 9% trying to get to 7%,
>>you have an eating disorder/body dysmorphic syndrome, and need to see a
>>psychiatrist.
>>
>>And, no, I'm not joking. You need professional help.
>
> Don't those silly weight charts show 147 as the perfect bodyweight for
> 5'10"?
Depends on whose silly chart you use. One that has some basis in being able
to function effectively...the US Army's...has 185 pounds as the desirable
weight for his age and height.
> 9% to 7% is going to probably cut deeply into both muscle and fat. He
> may just not be aware he'll need to get to, I'm not getting my
> calculator, like 115 lbs or something.
No. Nine percent of 141 is around 13 pounds of fat. He'll be dead before
115.
It's probably all moot. He's using a Tanita scale. He's probably at 27% body
fat.
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Since: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:57 pm
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Joe Humble wrote:
> On 3 Dec 2005 03:08:31 -0800, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >> On the other hand, I went and bought some more fish oil supplements for
> >> EFA's. I'm taking 6 capsules 3xday w/ meals. I had also started taking
> >> 750mg Calcium Bis-Glycinate 3xday the other week.
> >
> >If you were 5'10" and 195 pounds at 9% trying to get to 7%, i'd say you
> >were a bodybuilder. At 5'10" and 141 pounds at 9% trying to get to 7%,
> >you have an eating disorder/body dysmorphic syndrome, and need to see a
> >psychiatrist.
> >
> >And, no, I'm not joking. You need professional help.
> >
> >David
>
> Don't those silly weight charts show 147 as the perfect bodyweight for
> 5'10"?
>
Yes, lowest they show is 132 lbs, based on BMI. BMI of 19 is usually
the low end of the healthy range. Some charts even have the healthy
range as low as 18 esp. for younger people and smaller framed people.
> 9% to 7% is going to probably cut deeply into both muscle and fat. He
> may just not be aware he'll need to get to, I'm not getting my
> calculator, like 115 lbs or something.
>
To get from 9% to 7%, I would need to get to only 135 lbs even with
some muscle loss accounted for. That's well above the estimated 115
lbs. No one would ever need to lose 26 lbs just to drop 2% bodyfat.
Even with 1/2 muscle and 1/2 fat loss, I would still be close to the
132 lbs.
One of the ONLY times someone would weigh 115 lbs at that height is if
they have a very small frame. I have a larger frame than that, though,
so I don't have to get that low.
>
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Since: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:15 pm
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David Cohen wrote:
> "Joe Humble" <joehumble.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
[snipped]
> David
I need to note as well that
I've been calipered by different trainers before at the same time when
using this scale, and the results have always agreed within 1% to the
scale readings. So, the scale is pretty right on. Athlete mode gives me
4.0%. I'm not an athlete, so this number most certainly isn't right. >> Stay informed about: Fat loss progress |
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Since: Jan 12, 2005 Posts: 481
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:10 pm
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in
news:7Owkf.13349$aA2.2812@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
> Depends on whose silly chart you use. One that has some basis in being
> able to function effectively...the US Army's...has 185 pounds as the
> desirable weight for his age and height.
>
Cool, I didn't know that. I'll tell my insurance company to go to hell.
Hugh
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Since: Jan 17, 2005 Posts: 1208
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:10 pm
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Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy.RemoveThis@acm.org> wrote:
>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> Depends on whose silly chart you use. One that has some basis in being
>> able to function effectively...the US Army's...has 185 pounds as the
>> desirable weight for his age and height.
>
>Cool, I didn't know that. I'll tell my insurance company to go to hell.
Insurance companies are getting smarter. Our new health insurance
administrator offers wellness benefits for maintaining a BMI below a
certain level, but before I could complain about the problems with BMI
amongst those with athletic builds, I was informed that the company
will allow you to opt for BF% readings by caliper or DEXA. >> Stay informed about: Fat loss progress |
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Since: Jan 24, 2005 Posts: 1423
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:19 pm
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"Pentastar" <Pentastar90 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Joe Humble" <joehumble DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote
>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> [snipped]
>> David
>
> I need to note as well that
> I've been calipered by different trainers before at the same time when
> using this scale, and the results have always agreed within 1% to the
> scale readings. So, the scale is pretty right on. Athlete mode gives me
> 4.0%. I'm not an athlete, so this number most certainly isn't right.
If kite flying becomes an athletic event, you could be an athlete.
Wait for it. it's coming...
Yes.
That's right.
You could be the kite.
Worth the wait
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Since: Oct 09, 2005 Posts: 1022
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:30 am
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Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote:
>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote
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>> Depends on whose silly chart you use. One that has some basis in being
>> able to function effectively...the US Army's...has 185 pounds as the
>> desirable weight for his age and height.
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>Cool, I didn't know that. I'll tell my insurance company to go to hell.
>
> Hugh
Unfortunately, Hugh, the silly chart you have to build your life
around is probably the one your insurance company uses.
Anyway, I'd hold off on that 'go to hell' idea. I suspect your insurer
would offer you a hearty 'Fuck Hugh!' if you get too cocky.
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Since: Aug 22, 2005 Posts: 560
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:56 pm
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In article <1133585020.385932.197800 DeleteThis @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentastar" <Pentastar90 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> David Cohen wrote:
> > Pentastar wrote:
> > > 21 years old,.5'10"
> > > On my fat loss program, I'm now currently at 141 lbs and 9.2% body fat
> > > according to Tanita Scale using regular adult mode at sedentary
> > > activity level setting. Goal is 7% BF.
> > >
> > > How do you tell when your leptin levels drop and that it's time to
> > > refeed?
> >
> > At 5'10" and 141 pounds, you can tell it's time to refeed because a
> > light breeze blows you into the next county.
> >
> > David
>
> Clap:::Clap:::Clap:::LOL ;-D LOL:::Clap:::Clap:::Clap
But he's not kidding. You don't need fat loss, you need to increase your
LBM.
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Since: Aug 22, 2005 Posts: 560
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:01 pm
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In article <1133719052.669421.178530 DeleteThis @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentastar" <Pentastar90 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> To get from 9% to 7%, I would need to get to only 135 lbs even with
> some muscle loss accounted for. That's well above the estimated 115
> lbs. No one would ever need to lose 26 lbs just to drop 2% bodyfat.
> Even with 1/2 muscle and 1/2 fat loss, I would still be close to the
> 132 lbs.
Making you a walking stick figure. No one hear is going to advise you
that this is a goal worth following.
>
> One of the ONLY times someone would weigh 115 lbs at that height is if
> they have a very small frame.
Or they were in a concentration camp. Small frame or not, no man should
weight 115lbs at 5'10 period, unless you cut off both legs and arms.
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