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(Msg. 91) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:19 am
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needanufriend...@yahoo wrote:
> "Pete" wrote:
> > <needanufriend...@yahoo> schreef:
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> > > he diagnosed grade 4 gynecomastia...
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> > What is grade 4?
The grade between grade 3 and grade 5, of course.
-=snaps suspenders=-
Yep. Me am geeee-neee-yuss!
> i did not ask him the difference between the grades but as i mentioned
> in an earlier post, the swelling has continued since i stopped using
> AS. i assume the grade has to do with the degree of breast tissue
> growth.
Never assume!
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> > > he also advised that I had sever testicular atrophy.
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> > He did what?
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> i thought that sentence was clear.
Clearly misspelled?
The doc observed severE testicular atrophy?
Because, hey, if any doctor uses "advised" and "sever" in a sentence
referring to testicles? Well, I, for one, am seeking a SECOND opinion,
pal. Talk about your "need a new friend," woah!
ba dump bump
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> i am just telling you my reality. i brought this upon myself and i
> have lots of time now to brood about it. given the abuse i got from
> some people in the group, i have tried to find some support elsewhere.
C'mon, humor is support. Otoh, you could always sever your connection
to this newsgroup. I recommend you stick around and provide updates on
your situation.
Anyone contemplating using anabolics would do well to do a group MFW
Google search of your posting name to avoid similar consequences. Have
you posted exactly what you think you did (exact AAS and regimen) to
get to where you are now?
Best of luck with your evaluation and treatment.
Note to any journalists reading this ng: AAS shouldn't be illegal,
imo, but should be available - in combination with informed medical
professional recommendations and monitoring - to all who desire them.
Thanks.
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(Msg. 92) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:25 am
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<needanufriendnow.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
> he diagnosed grade 4 gynecomastia...
What is grade 4?
> and took blood to check hormone
> levels.
Both androgens and estrogens close to zero?
> he also advised that I had sever testicular atrophy.
He did what?
> He wanted to check my sperm count to measure the damage.
Sperm count after 8 months of test is close to zero. You can effectively use
100mg test/week as a form of birth control.
If a journalist is reading this, and contacts you, the following will be
written.
Steroid use will cause;
Gynocomastia
Testicular atrophy
Impotence
Infertelity
Depression
Dont think that jourmalist dont read this NG. They do.
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(Msg. 93) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:26 pm
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<needanufriendnow RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>> Both androgens and estrogens close to zero?
> do not have the results yet.
I was more or less making a calculated prediction.
>> > he also advised that I had sever testicular atrophy.
>> He did what?
> i thought that sentence was clear.
My bad. Sorry.
>> > He wanted to check my sperm count to measure the damage.
>> Sperm count after 8 months of test is close to zero. You can effectively
>> use
>> 100mg test/week as a form of birth control.
> the doctor wanted to quantify the count.
Again, this is sorta prediction. Post steroid gyno and infertility go hand
in hand.
>> If a journalist is reading this, and contacts you, the following will be
>> written.
>> Steroid use will cause;
>> Gynocomastia
>> Testicular atrophy
>> Impotence
>> Infertelity
>> Depression
>> Dont think that jourmalist dont read this NG. They do.
> i am just telling you my reality.
I know you do.
And if a journalist will contact you, you will tell him your reality.
More proof that steroids are bad.
Which is exactly what i did in 2002, when a local broadcaster read my
messages here.
I told them more or less everthing i knew, but all the "interesting" stuff
was cut away.
> i brought this upon myself and i
> have lots of time now to brood about it. given the abuse i got from
> some people in the group, i have tried to find some support elsewhere.
I really think that you better of with some basic knowledge, instead of
support. Really, i do.
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(Msg. 94) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:28 pm
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> > The doc observed severE testicular atrophy?
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> But the question is, how did he do that?
he examined them in a very professional manner. not knowing their
size before i started using steroids he concluded that it was at least
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(Msg. 95) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:11 pm
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needanufriend...@yahoo wrote:
re doctor's take on testicular atrophy
> he examined them in a very professional manner. not knowing their
> size before i started using steroids he concluded that it was at least
> a 50% shrinkage.
Uh, if the doctor had no knowledge of an initial measurement then on
what does he base the percentage of shrinkage conclusion?
Never mind.
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(Msg. 96) Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:03 pm
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Pete wrote:
> Sperm count after 8 months of test is close to zero. You can effectively use
> 100mg test/week as a form of birth control.
>
Yeah, I know a couple that tried that. It didn't work. (test was 250mg/2
weeks).
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(Msg. 97) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:16 am
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<needanufriendnow.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
>> > The doc observed severE testicular atrophy?
>> But the question is, how did he do that?
> he examined them in a very professional manner.
IOW, he touched them and squeezed them a little?
> not knowing their size before i started using steroids he concluded that
> it was at least
> a 50% shrinkage.
Thats a lot. Would do you think?
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(Msg. 98) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:16 am
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<needanufriendnow.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
>> Uh, if the doctor had no knowledge of an initial measurement then on
>> what does he base the percentage of shrinkage conclusion?
> shall i say on account of their unusually small size?
Perhaps they were small to begin with?
I dont mean to upset you, but thats possible, isnt it?
OTOH, i am pretty sure every man more or less knows the size of his
testicles.
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(Msg. 99) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:16 am
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<needanufriendnow RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>> > not knowing their size before i started using steroids he concluded
>> > that
>> > it was at least
>> > a 50% shrinkage.
>> Thats a lot. Would do you think?
> when i was juicing i felt great. it did not occur to me that i was
> damaging them.
No, i meant do you think his observation is correct?
50% shrinkage is a lot of shrinkage.
> it took me almost 10 minutes to produce the sperm sample for him.
And i am willing to bet you could do that same trick in 2 minutes in the
privacy of your own bedroom.
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(Msg. 100) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:27 am
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Curt wrote:
> needanufriend...@yahoo wrote:
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> re doctor's take on testicular atrophy
>
>> he examined them in a very professional manner. not knowing their
>> size before i started using steroids he concluded that it was at least
>> a 50% shrinkage.
>
> Uh, if the doctor had no knowledge of an initial measurement then on
> what does he base the percentage of shrinkage conclusion?
>
> Never mind.
>
> --
> Curt
>
They often have a string of testicular shaped beads each with a
different size/development label. These are compared with the size of
the patient's testes. An adult male should not have baked bean sized testes.
Ari
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(Msg. 101) Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:30 am
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Curt wrote:
> needanufriend...@yahoo wrote:
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>>>> he examined them in a very professional manner. not knowing their
>>>> size before i started using steroids he concluded that it was at least
>>>> a 50% shrinkage.
>>> Uh, if the doctor had no knowledge of an initial measurement then on
>>> what does he base the percentage of shrinkage conclusion?
>>>
>>> Curt
>> shall i say on account of their unusually small size?
>
> No. I just meant that if the doc had no beginning size then his or her
> comment of "at least a 50% shrinkage" is buuuuuuull.
Compared to norms, no, it is not bull.
> I've had some
> great doctors and I've had some jerk doctors. How could your doctor,
> not knowing what you started with, offer a percentage of decrease.
A nephrologist would have the same issue not knowing the patients
"original" creatinine, but can make an estimate of the decrease in
kidney function based on norms.
Ari
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(Msg. 102) Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:14 pm
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> C'mon, humor issupport. Otoh, you could always sever your connection
> to this newsgroup. I recommend you stick around and provide updates on
> your situation.
> --
> Curt
i have learned in a support group that some men developed breast
tissue since they had to take certain life saving drugs. and they
balance the two problems and conclude that they would rather have the
breast tissue than the other option, death.
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(Msg. 103) Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:50 pm
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needanufriendnow.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>> C'mon, humor issupport. Otoh, you could always sever your connection
>> to this newsgroup. I recommend you stick around and provide updates on
>> your situation.
>
>> --
>> Curt
>
> i have learned in a support group that some men developed breast
> tissue since they had to take certain life saving drugs. and they
> balance the two problems and conclude that they would rather have the
> breast tissue than the other option, death.
>
> i just feel awful that what got me here was choice, not necessity.
>
For me, anabolics are life saving drugs. Combined with two
immunosuppressant medications they are keeping my bone marrow
functioning and keeping me away from a transplant with a 1 in 5 chance
of survival. Given my estrogen levels, it's surprising I have not
developed gyno. That said, I'd take gyno over death any day. I'd also
take life without all these damned injections over anabolics any day.
Ari
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(Msg. 104) Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:58 pm
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(Msg. 105) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:20 am
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Shute wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> >needanufriend...@yahoo wrote:
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> >> i am really <snip>
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> ><snip> isn't gyno the least of your worries?
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> I still don't get why he is more concerned
> about man boobies then losing his job. He
> should get two or three jobs. Then he can
> pay for the operation himself. And he will
> be too busy to be worrying about man boobies.
Ned, Shute has a point. The job search would be my focus, but, yeah,
man boobs just might be the primary motivater for that job search.
Even over rent and food. I mean you could live on the beach and eat
fruit from trees, but that chest will still be with you. Perky?
Pointing at you each and every day? No.
Pete - elsewhere in this thread - also has a point. Do you remember
when you stopped using? If you don't feel comfortable telling your
current doctor that it was a year ago then go to a different doctor
and start over. When he asks then you can tell him (with that
insurance in mind) that it was at least a year ago.
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