Has anyone gone from Fat to 6-pack?

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> On Tue, 08 May 2007 12:34:30 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <7tuv339jpe44a6ffrm52jn6fnu2vqjci4a DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> > Shute <Shute DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 07 May 2007 14:00:16 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Having missed the rest of this thread and not having seen the show, I
> >> >still have to point out that fat loss normally follows the first on,
> >> >last off rule. If a person is predisposed to abdominal fat (the "beer
> >> >belly" it would be more difficult for that person to develop a
> >> >'six-pack" than a person who has fat stored all over.
> >>
> >> But can't the placement of fat change over time? I don't think I have
> >> much more body fat then when I was a teen. Yet then it was spread all
> >> over and now it is in my gut. I figure I have to get it down to
> >> nothing and see if it builds back a little smoother next time.
> >
> >The placement disposition is genetic - it won't change. However, there
> >are other hormonal factors that have changed with age which may affect
> >how you store fat when you are younger. As with most body things it is
> >multifactoral. Lots of stuff going on. So while gene expression may be
> >saying 'store fat on gut' hormonal expression may be saying to store on
> >other places too. So how you store fat can change with age, but it isn't
> >because gene expression has changed - it is moderated by other factors.
>
> I was thinking that stress combined with poor eating and exercise
> habits put on the gut. My lifestyle has improved a great deal in the
> past five years so I wonder if my placement of fat will change. I
> won't really know for sure until I get rid of any existing belly fat.
> I think it is impossible to change the placement of already existing
> fat. It could very well be that I am just older.

Got nothing to do with it. Placement is genetic, not environmental.
Hormones make some difference. Poor eating and exercise cause fat, but
don't dictate placement.

>
> >> Here is a guy who decided to track his progress rather than
> >> before/after pictures:
> >> http://www.naturalphysiques.com/cms/index.php?itemid=144
> >>
> >>
> >> >Not impossible, but difficult.
> >> >
> >> >As well some women have a 'pooch' which is the result of the skin
> >> >stretching during pregnancy. Once again, makes it difficult for them.
> >>
> >> I think I have one of those but not sure how I got it. My
> >> understanding is that it has to do with the internal muscles. Most
> >> traditional exercises won't target it.
> >
> >I'm not sure what you mean here. You have rectus abdominus and internal
> >and external obliques. The internal and external obliques are
> >responsible for flexion, rotation and lateral flexion. If your
> >traditional exercises don't target them you are doing the wrong
> >traditional exercises, as most core work uses them. Put another way both
> >traditional gymnastics and traditional pilates exercises target them
> >extensively.
>
> From what I read it is linked with the TVA. And I was referring to
> crunches and stiups which don't seem to hit that area. My stomach
> muscles don't seem particularly weak or small. Yet a core exercise
> like the plank reveals a weakness in my midsection.

Transversus abdominus is recruited involuntarily during anything
requiring stabilization. You don't have to target it unless you have
some sort of pathology. The idea of 'sucking in the gut' during a squat
to activate the TVA has been thoroughly disproven.

>
> >> >Even among extremely muscular, low bodyfat bodybuilders the six pack can
> >> >be elusive for a few. Boyer Coe comes to mind. Amazingly muscled, low
> >> >fat and yet it was tough for him to develop a six pack.
> >> >
> >> >As again though, as a general rule it is simply a matter of reducing
> >> >bodyfat. There are some exceptions.
> >>
> >> I think you need to hit a specific parentage of bodyft. And that is
> >> lower than most are able to go.
> >
> >Not able, willing to go. I guarantee you most people are able to develop
> >a six-pack, but most aren't willing to. It is a question of volition,
> >not ability.
>
> What I meant was most people go all out to get the weight down. They
> just don't know enough about diet to maintain those levels. For
> instance I know a guy who lost over 100 pounds and is at 10% bodyfat.
> He says he runs cardio 5 days a week to maintain it. I bet if I took
> a close look at his daily diet I would find excess carbs or large meal
> portions.
>
>
If he is at 10% bodyfat he is far leaner than most. How can you claim
excess carbs for someone at 10% bodyfat? Also large meal portions aren't
as important as overall calories consumed.

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On May 7, 8:00 am, 32andtwentyseven <32andtwentyse....RemoveThis@xemaps.com>
wrote:
> I am if anyone has worked off an overhanging belly and reduced it to a
> 6-pack.
>
> I ask because I saw a program on TV were a woman was trying to lose
> weight through fitness work, yet failed to work off her overhanging
> belly. Her personal trainer implied that it might be impossible for
> her to ever work it off! Could this be true?

Not for me. My normal weight is 200lbs. I got to 160 and about 6% body
fat. Good definition everywhere....except my stomach. It was flat, but
I never got close to even a 2 pack. It just isn't in my DNA. I have
given up on the having a 6 pack idea, I just focus on what I can do
which is grow a big wide back and shoulders.
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Shute wrote:
> On Tue, 08 May 2007 19:36:41 +0800, spodosaurus
> <spodosaurus DeleteThis @_yahoo_.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Shute wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 May 2007 14:00:16 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Having missed the rest of this thread and not having seen the show, I
>>>> still have to point out that fat loss normally follows the first on,
>>>> last off rule. If a person is predisposed to abdominal fat (the "beer
>>>> belly" it would be more difficult for that person to develop a
>>>> 'six-pack" than a person who has fat stored all over.
>>> But can't the placement of fat change over time? I don't think I have
>>> much more body fat then when I was a teen. Yet then it was spread all
>>> over and now it is in my gut.
>> Do you think it crawled there while you were sleeping?
>>
>>>> Not impossible, but difficult.
>>>>
>>>> As well some women have a 'pooch' which is the result of the skin
>>>> stretching during pregnancy. Once again, makes it difficult for them.
>>> I think I have one of those but not sure how I got it. My
>>> understanding is that it has to do with the internal muscles. Most
>>> traditional exercises won't target it.
>> Do you even know what is being referred to here?
>>
>> Ari
>
> Do I know why you are asking stupid questions?
>

So just answer them then. Or are you too silly to admit when you don't know?

Ari

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"32andtwentyseven" <32andtwentyseven.TakeThisOut@xemaps.com> wrote in message
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> I am if anyone has worked off an overhanging belly and reduced it to a
> 6-pack.
>
> I ask because I saw a program on TV were a woman was trying to lose
> weight through fitness work, yet failed to work off her overhanging
> belly. Her personal trainer implied that it might be impossible for
> her to ever work it off! Could this be true?
>

I'm nowhere near an 8 or even 6 pack but I'm beginning to see some
definition in the upper abdominals and obliques (I can see a "4" pack pokin'
through - but the light has to be just right!). Although I've been doing
around 300 "weighted" crunches (mostly machine, some decline bench) and 60
odd med ball twists per week for the last 12 months or so, I didn't really
begin to look at nutrition seriously until I had weight-training related
injuries which forced me to stop upper-body training for a couple of months.
So over the last 5 odd months, I've been making small changes which are now
life-style. It's made a huge difference to the amount of body fat I own. In
the past, I've considered myself the type who may find it very difficult, if
not impossible, to get near 10% BF. Firstly because I've had some fat around
the gut over my entire life and secondly because I thought it would be too
hard to give up the foods I enjoyed. But with the added help of good
nutrition, I think I can.

For example, I would normally eat around 4 cups of cooked rice/pasta with
little or no veggies per main meal 5 times a week. During the past 3 weeks,
I've stopped eating all rice and pasta. Instead, I've been eating more lean
meat (~500gm), _plenty_ of vegetables and downing an extra protein shake or
2. The weight started dropping off within a few days and thus far I've
dropped about 2kg.

3 years ago I was 108kg and probably over 30% BF. 18 months ago I was 102kg
and started exercising regularly. 5 months ago 1 was 92kg and 18% BF. Today
I am 88kg and around 15% BF - And loving it.
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> "32andtwentyseven" <32andtwentyseven DeleteThis @xemaps.com> wrote in message
> news:1178550039.757712.68210@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I am if anyone has worked off an overhanging belly and reduced it to a
>> 6-pack.
>>
>> I ask because I saw a program on TV were a woman was trying to lose
>> weight through fitness work, yet failed to work off her overhanging
>> belly. Her personal trainer implied that it might be impossible for
>> her to ever work it off! Could this be true?
>>
>
> I'm nowhere near an 8 or even 6 pack but I'm beginning to see some
> definition in the upper abdominals and obliques (I can see a "4" pack
> pokin'
> through - but the light has to be just right!). Although I've been doing
> around 300 "weighted" crunches (mostly machine, some decline bench) and 60
> odd med ball twists per week for the last 12 months or so, I didn't really
> begin to look at nutrition seriously until I had weight-training related
> injuries which forced me to stop upper-body training for a couple of
> months.
> So over the last 5 odd months, I've been making small changes which are
> now
> life-style. It's made a huge difference to the amount of body fat I own.
> In
> the past, I've considered myself the type who may find it very difficult,
> if
> not impossible, to get near 10% BF. Firstly because I've had some fat
> around
> the gut over my entire life and secondly because I thought it would be too
> hard to give up the foods I enjoyed. But with the added help of good
> nutrition, I think I can.
>
> For example, I would normally eat around 4 cups of cooked rice/pasta with
> little or no veggies per main meal 5 times a week. During the past 3
> weeks,
> I've stopped eating all rice and pasta. Instead, I've been eating more
> lean
> meat (~500gm), _plenty_ of vegetables and downing an extra protein shake
> or
> 2. The weight started dropping off within a few days and thus far I've
> dropped about 2kg.
>
> 3 years ago I was 108kg and probably over 30% BF. 18 months ago I was
> 102kg
> and started exercising regularly. 5 months ago 1 was 92kg and 18% BF.
> Today
> I am 88kg and around 15% BF - And loving it.
>
>

Diet is 90% of the battle. I think that you have seen that you can do ab
work until you are blue in the face and never see your abs. If you don't eat
correctly, you will never get to your goals.


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Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> "32andtwentyseven" <32andtwentyseven.TakeThisOut@xemaps.com> wrote in message
> news:1178550039.757712.68210@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I am if anyone has worked off an overhanging belly and reduced it to
>> a 6-pack.
>>
>> I ask because I saw a program on TV were a woman was trying to lose
>> weight through fitness work, yet failed to work off her overhanging
>> belly. Her personal trainer implied that it might be impossible for
>> her to ever work it off! Could this be true?
>>
>
> I'm nowhere near an 8 or even 6 pack but I'm beginning to see some
> definition in the upper abdominals and obliques (I can see a "4" pack
> pokin' through - but the light has to be just right!). Although I've
> been doing around 300 "weighted" crunches (mostly machine, some
> decline bench) and 60 odd med ball twists per week for the last 12
> months or so, I didn't really begin to look at nutrition seriously
> until I had weight-training related injuries which forced me to stop
> upper-body training for a couple of months. So over the last 5 odd
> months, I've been making small changes which are now life-style. It's
> made a huge difference to the amount of body fat I own. In the past,
> I've considered myself the type who may find it very difficult, if
> not impossible, to get near 10% BF. Firstly because I've had some fat
> around the gut over my entire life and secondly because I thought it
> would be too hard to give up the foods I enjoyed. But with the added
> help of good nutrition, I think I can.
>
> For example, I would normally eat around 4 cups of cooked rice/pasta
> with little or no veggies per main meal 5 times a week. During the
> past 3 weeks, I've stopped eating all rice and pasta. Instead, I've
> been eating more lean meat (~500gm), _plenty_ of vegetables and
> downing an extra protein shake or 2. The weight started dropping off
> within a few days and thus far I've dropped about 2kg.
>
> 3 years ago I was 108kg and probably over 30% BF. 18 months ago I was
> 102kg and started exercising regularly. 5 months ago 1 was 92kg and
> 18% BF. Today I am 88kg and around 15% BF - And loving it.

post pics of your progress
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > "32andtwentyseven" <32andtwentyseven.TakeThisOut@xemaps.com> wrote in message
> > news:1178550039.757712.68210@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> I am if anyone has worked off an overhanging belly and reduced it to
> >> a 6-pack.
> >>

<snip>

> >
> > 3 years ago I was 108kg and probably over 30% BF. 18 months ago I was
> > 102kg and started exercising regularly. 5 months ago 1 was 92kg and
> > 18% BF. Today I am 88kg and around 15% BF - And loving it.
>
> post pics of your progress
>
>
I have some pics from social events etc but I don't have progressive shots
of myself. Of course I can do a "now" shot but I've never been a fan of
photos and as such do not appear in many!
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My brother is gone from normal belly to 6-pack of beers lol

he joined the GYM and also started a phone training session that seem to have put him on the right track, he can now wear his old tight club t-shirts... I don't think it' impossible to get rid of it, it may take some time, but it will go.. a mentor can help or someone to keep you going
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