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"pablo" <pablo.at.simply DeleteThis @hombre.dot.net> wrote in message
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>
> If you wanted to lose fat, you should have started earlier. Much earlier.
> Can't do more than 2lbs a week there.
>
> Thus you only have one option: fluids. You'll have to sweat it off. This
> is a short term thing, and if you have not done it before make SURE you
> partner with someone experienced in how to do it. If you have never done
> it, do NOT EVER try it by yourself. You can kill yourself. Really. Do NOT
> stay dehydrated for 9 days. You'll cause damage to your body. You may die.
> Please do this with proper supervision.

That's why I say, if the weigh-in is the day before the fight, hop into a
sauna, sweat it out, possibly by wearing a rubber suit, and then rehydrate.
Wham, bam, slam, thank you ma'am
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Cut out carbohydrates from you're diet, you don't need to reduce
the amount of food you eat and you can even eat fatty or high calorie
foods and you will still lose weight.
I don't recommend staying on this diet long term as it can damage
you're liver and side effect is really bad breath and stomach cramps.
You can lose about 2-3 kilos a weeks this way, but it's not easy
because so many of our foods are high in carbohydrates so you need to
plan ahead of time what you will have for meals and snacks.
Mainly in you avoid bread, rice and pasta.

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<paul.TakeThisOut@paul.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:50:55 GMT, "pablo"
> <pablo.at.simply.TakeThisOut@hombre.dot.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>If you wanted to lose fat, you should have started earlier. Much earlier.
>>Can't do more than 2lbs a week there.
>
> Really? How do you figure?? If you stop eating completely you will
> surely lose more than two pounds of fat per week. Of course you will
> also lose muscle mass. 3500 calories equals a pound. If you have a
> 10,500 calorie deficit per week then you will lose about three pounds
> of fat or so. A greater deficit, more fat loss.
>>
>>Thus you only have one option: fluids.
>
> Wrong. See above. IF you combine caloric restriction with exercise you
> can lose several pounds a week. If weight loss is the ONLY concern
> then you can easily lose 9 pounds in two weeks without targeting
> fluids. Going on a very low carb/high protein calorie restricted diet
> with exercise is probably the best option to lose as much weight as
> possible while retaining muscle mass.

Given the OP wants to be able to train properly during the 2 weeks
(probably) and certainly wants to be able to perform on competition day,
while you may be strictly correct you aren't helping him.

Peter
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In article <d8b93ac0.0502260728.38b4a285 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
P_J_Reed DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk (Paul) wrote:

> I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
> about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
> just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
> if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

Sweat it out as close to weigh-in as possible.

2 kgs is pretty easy to sweat off.

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Keith
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In article <Hh2Ud.57549$iC4.38258@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>, "JC Der
Koenig" <jcderkoenig.DeleteThis@ibm.com> wrote:

> "Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote in message
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> >
> > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig.DeleteThis@ibm.com> wrote in message
> > news:d01Ud.57536$iC4.23028@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> >> "Paul" <P_J_Reed.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:d8b93ac0.0502260728.38b4a285@posting.google.com...
> >> >I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
> >> > about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
> >> > just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
> >> > if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.
> >>
> >> Drink less of all fluids. A lot less.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > He has 2 weeks, though. I wouldn't play the dehydration card card quite
> > yet.
> >
> >
> >
> True, and it's only 9 pounds.

Russians did a bunch of studies. 2-3% can be dropped with no loss of
performance. But if you start to diet down plus dehydrate you lose
performance.

I'd just drop it in the last 24 hours before weigh-in. Any of the guys in
MMA who used to wrestle can tell you a dozen ways to drop 2 kgs quick.

BTW - I found it a whole pile easier just to sweat it off than do the
coffee and steak thing. Also based on the Russian stuff which said as
quick as you can as close as you can to weigh-in.

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In article <e1i121hv9iae6u7kf8oc87ept6qi9p12gi RemoveThis @4ax.com>, paul RemoveThis @paul.com wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:50:55 GMT, "pablo"
> <pablo.at.simply RemoveThis @hombre.dot.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >If you wanted to lose fat, you should have started earlier. Much earlier.
> >Can't do more than 2lbs a week there.
>
> Really? How do you figure?? If you stop eating completely you will
> surely lose more than two pounds of fat per week. Of course you will
> also lose muscle mass. 3500 calories equals a pound. If you have a
> 10,500 calorie deficit per week then you will lose about three pounds
> of fat or so. A greater deficit, more fat loss.
> >
> >Thus you only have one option: fluids.
>
> Wrong. See above. IF you combine caloric restriction with exercise you
> can lose several pounds a week. If weight loss is the ONLY concern
> then you can easily lose 9 pounds in two weeks without targeting
> fluids. Going on a very low carb/high protein calorie restricted diet
> with exercise is probably the best option to lose as much weight as
> possible while retaining muscle mass.

But it will affect performance.

Dehydrate and rehydrate. As long as you have 12 hours or more 2 kgs should
be no problem.

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Keith
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In article <zT4Ud.6459$873.4045@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "The
Sanity Cruzer" <saNnOitycruzer DeleteThis @eSaPrAtMhlink.net> wrote:

> "pablo" <pablo.at.simply DeleteThis @hombre.dot.net> wrote in message
> news:3G2Ud.9671$Pz7.2637@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > If you wanted to lose fat, you should have started earlier. Much earlier.
> > Can't do more than 2lbs a week there.
> >
> > Thus you only have one option: fluids. You'll have to sweat it off. This
> > is a short term thing, and if you have not done it before make SURE you
> > partner with someone experienced in how to do it. If you have never done
> > it, do NOT EVER try it by yourself. You can kill yourself. Really. Do NOT
> > stay dehydrated for 9 days. You'll cause damage to your body. You may die.
> > Please do this with proper supervision.
>
> That's why I say, if the weigh-in is the day before the fight, hop into a
> sauna, sweat it out, possibly by wearing a rubber suit, and then rehydrate.
> Wham, bam, slam, thank you ma'am

Yup. Easy. And I agree about the bodyfat. 16% is high.

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"Hobbes" <khobman.DeleteThis@sasktel.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Hh2Ud.57549$iC4.38258@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>, "JC Der
> Koenig" <jcderkoenig.DeleteThis@ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > "Jim Ranieri" <nah,> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "JC Der Koenig" <jcderkoenig.DeleteThis@ibm.com> wrote in message
> > > news:d01Ud.57536$iC4.23028@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> > >> "Paul" <P_J_Reed.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > >> news:d8b93ac0.0502260728.38b4a285@posting.google.com...
> > >> >I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
> > >> > about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice,
not
> > >> > just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77
kg
> > >> > if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.
> > >>
> > >> Drink less of all fluids. A lot less.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > He has 2 weeks, though. I wouldn't play the dehydration card card
quite
> > > yet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > True, and it's only 9 pounds.
>
> Russians did a bunch of studies. 2-3% can be dropped with no loss of
> performance. But if you start to diet down plus dehydrate you lose
> performance.
>
> I'd just drop it in the last 24 hours before weigh-in. Any of the guys in
> MMA who used to wrestle can tell you a dozen ways to drop 2 kgs quick.
>
> BTW - I found it a whole pile easier just to sweat it off than do the
> coffee and steak thing. Also based on the Russian stuff which said as
> quick as you can as close as you can to weigh-in.
>

That's effective and doesn't seem to hurt performance - but I do remember a
couple bouts of wicked leg cramps when going that route. In retrospect,
maybe some Na or K (can't remember which) might've alleviated that.
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:28:56 -1000, Paul wrote
(in article <d8b93ac0.0502260728.38b4a285.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>):

> I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
> about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
> just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
> if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

You need to eat less carbohydrates, just like competitive bodybuilders do
before a contest.

Or try this easy to remember method:
Breakfast - eat a large whatever-you-want balanced meal. Cereal, Fruit, Eggs,
Bacon, Toast etc.
Lunch - Chicken breast (no skin) or Tuna, plus green salad (vinegar
dressing).
Dinner - same as lunch.
Drinks - Tea, Coffee, Diet sodas, Water (no milk or juices or sugar sodas)
No snacks.

The theory of the large breakfast is that it fuels you for the rest of the
day. Whatever carbs you eat at breakfast will be burnt off by the end of the
day. Carbs eaten later in the day are a problem - especially before going to
bed ( the worst time to eat them).
You might lose some energy later in the day due to lack of carbs - solution,
drink some black coffee.

I hope this helps. It comes from years of experience.

Cheers,

Paul
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"Hobbes" <khobman.TakeThisOut@sasktel.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dehydrate and rehydrate. As long as you have 12 hours or more 2 kgs should
> be no problem.

9lbs isn't 2kg. Try 4+. If someone's never done it before, I'd strongly
advise against sweating it off *and* walking into a fight right away. This
is how ring accidents happen. When pro boxers do similar stuff, it is based
on many years of experience, and even then they muck it up with regularity.
Do not play around with this stuff walking into competitive matchups - no
one enjoys being witness to major brain trauma. This is *not* a sweat it off
before a bodybuilding competitive to look a tad more cut thing - this is
about a guy who is going to stand in front of another guy who'll try to take
his head off. Experience is a must with rapid weight loss *and* fighting.
You must learn step by step how much you can get away with. To start the
experiment at 9lbs seems risky to me.

As to those who claim you cna lose more than 2lbs of fat by combining high
weights, low calories and high proteins - try it. Then walk into a ring to
top it off. From a long and venerable history of getting cut going into the
summer, I know anything over 2lbs is way too agressive. It won't last. 9lbs
of fat in less than 2 weeks? I'd rate it as impossible. And I wouldn't be
the only one. I am not saying you can't lose 9lbs in 10 days - you can lose
more than that. But most of it will be fluids. And whether one can get into
a ring or not depends on one's individual consitution. Some can, many won't.

....pablo
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"Paul" <P_J_Reed.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
> about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
> just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
> if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.

The sauna is your friend.

Fraser
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:09:14 +0800, "Fraser Johnston"
<fraser RemoveThis @jcis.com.au> wrote:

>
>"Paul" <P_J_Reed RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>I have 2 weeks and 1 day to lose 9 pounds for a mma competition. I'm
>> about 16 % body fat. What shall i do. And please some good advice, not
>> just eat less and move more. Thanks in advance. I need to make 77 kg
>> if i miss it i'll be fighting 84 kg. big differance.
>
>The sauna is your friend.
>
>Fraser
>


Then when depleted of all the important minerals, his body will be as
limp as a wet rag before, during and after any physical exertion.

DCI
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