Question about machine exercises

kb wrote:
> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
> second
> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
> working out with seated chest press machine:
> 1) Push the handle forward.
> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>
> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>
> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
> other
> machine exercises?
>
>
>

Do you rack the barbell between each repetition on the bench press? No.
That's the equivalent of resting/dropping the weight stack onto the
lower plates, which is why you were told not to do it. Also, gyms don't
like having their equipment bashed around by people who don't know how
to use it.

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"kb" <kilroybass.RemoveThis@usa.com> wrote in message
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>I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
> second
> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
> working out with seated chest press machine:
> 1) Push the handle forward.
> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>
> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>
> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
> other
> machine exercises?

For a seated machine bench/chest press, the machine, seat, lever arms,
etc., must be properly adjusted. If you're focused on whether or not
the weights being moved touch the stack between reps, you're not focused
on the right thing. The proper range of motion could be different, even
for two people of approximately the same build, due to things like their
respective ranges of motion in their shoulders (perhaps, e.g., due to
old injuries). And the "proper" range of motion isn't an exact thing,
either; one could, e.g., use lighter weights and move into a slightly
unfamiliar range of motion provided good from can, and still is,
maintained.

Just my opinion.

-S-
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On Apr 1, 12:16 pm, "Steve Freides" <st... DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
[...]

> Just my opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Really?

I was thinking that perhaps you were reporting another person's
opinion. Afraid of being sued, Freides?

"HE STATED IT AS FACT! HE *NEVER* SAID IT WAS JUUUST HIS OPINION!!!"

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On Mar 31, 9:30 pm, kb <kilroyb... RemoveThis @usa.com> wrote:
> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
> second
> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
> working out with seated chest press machine:
> 1) Push the handle forward.
> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>
> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>
> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
> other
> machine exercises?

There are times when people are intentionally resting between each rep
in something called rest-pause training. Or you might have just
finished a set and want to rest slightly before finishing off with one
more rep. You will hear/read all kinds of opinions about what is the
right way to do things, but you have to decide for yourself what your
goals are and why you're doing the movements you are doing.
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, GregB wrote:

> On Mar 31, 9:30 pm, kb <kilroyb... DeleteThis @usa.com> wrote:
>> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
>> second
>> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
>> working out with seated chest press machine:
>> 1) Push the handle forward.
>> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
>> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
>> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
>> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>>
>> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>>
>> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
>> other machine exercises?
>
> There are times when people are intentionally resting between each rep
> in something called rest-pause training. Or you might have just
> finished a set and want to rest slightly before finishing off with one
> more rep. You will hear/read all kinds of opinions about what is the
> right way to do things, but you have to decide for yourself what your
> goals are and why you're doing the movements you are doing.

I've certainly read on this very group of people doing sets of deadlifts
as a 'series of singles', briefly letting the bar rest on the ground
between reps.

Conventional thinking would say not to do this, because you want to
maximise the continuous time under tension, but if you find it helps you
reach your goals, go for it. Something i do is use a sort of hybrid
technique, striving for a continuous lift, but letting the bar rest
towards the end of the set if i can't manage that. Over time, i need to
use pauses less and less, and can eventually do the set continuously.

tom

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"Tom Anderson" <twic.TakeThisOut@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, GregB wrote:
>
>> On Mar 31, 9:30 pm, kb <kilroyb....TakeThisOut@usa.com> wrote:
>>> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
>>> second
>>> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
>>> working out with seated chest press machine:
>>> 1) Push the handle forward.
>>> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
>>> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
>>> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
>>> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>>>
>>> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>>>
>>> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
>>> other machine exercises?
>>
>> There are times when people are intentionally resting between each rep in
>> something called rest-pause training. Or you might have just finished a
>> set and want to rest slightly before finishing off with one more rep.
>> You will hear/read all kinds of opinions about what is the right way to
>> do things, but you have to decide for yourself what your goals are and
>> why you're doing the movements you are doing.
>
> I've certainly read on this very group of people doing sets of deadlifts
> as a 'series of singles', briefly letting the bar rest on the ground
> between reps.
>
> Conventional thinking would say not to do this, because you want to
> maximise the continuous time under tension, but if you find it helps you
> reach your goals, go for it. Something i do is use a sort of hybrid
> technique, striving for a continuous lift, but letting the bar rest
> towards the end of the set if i can't manage that. Over time, i need to
> use pauses less and less, and can eventually do the set continuously.
>
> tom
>
> --
> Sorry. Went a bit Atari Teenage Riot there. -- Andrew

Tom there is a reason for pausing between reps on the deadlift. A couple of
reasons actually. If you try to keep continuous tension you end up with a
rhythm, then over time your initial pull off the floor becomes your sticking
point. This wouldn't matter to someone performing the deadlift simply for
muscle building I suppose. But for someone after a single rep max it could
be quite a problem.

The second reason is that while doing continuous reps the form changes with
each rep. Usually getting worse as you go. Then of course there is the
bouncing off the floor problem that often begins to occur when deadlifting
reps continuously.

For maximum benefit from the deadlift the pause between reps really is the
best way to go. And you will find that it is far more difficult to complete
a set this way also.
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On Apr 4, 6:53 am, Tom Anderson <t... DeleteThis @urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
> > "Tom Anderson" <t... DeleteThis @urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0804031844020.22649@urchin.earth.li...
> >> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, GregB wrote:
>
> >>> On Mar 31, 9:30 pm, kb <kilroyb... DeleteThis @usa.com> wrote:
> >>>> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
> >>>> second
> >>>> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
> >>>> working out with seated chest press machine:
> >>>> 1) Push the handle forward.
> >>>> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
> >>>> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
> >>>> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
> >>>> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>
> >>>> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>
> >>>> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
> >>>> other machine exercises?
>
> >>> There are times when people are intentionally resting between each rep in
> >>> something called rest-pause training. Or you might have just finished a
> >>> set and want to rest slightly before finishing off with one more rep.
> >>> You will hear/read all kinds of opinions about what is the right way to
> >>> do things, but you have to decide for yourself what your goals are and
> >>> why you're doing the movements you are doing.
>
> >> I've certainly read on this very group of people doing sets of deadlifts
> >> as a 'series of singles', briefly letting the bar rest on the ground
> >> between reps.
>
> >> Conventional thinking would say not to do this, because you want to
> >> maximise the continuous time under tension, but if you find it helps you
> >> reach your goals, go for it. Something i do is use a sort of hybrid
> >> technique, striving for a continuous lift, but letting the bar rest
> >> towards the end of the set if i can't manage that. Over time, i need to
> >> use pauses less and less, and can eventually do the set continuously.
>
> > Tom there is a reason for pausing between reps on the deadlift. A couple of
> > reasons actually. If you try to keep continuous tension you end up with a
> > rhythm, then over time your initial pull off the floor becomes your sticking
> > point. This wouldn't matter to someone performing the deadlift simply for
> > muscle building I suppose. But for someone after a single rep max it could
> > be quite a problem.
>
> > The second reason is that while doing continuous reps the form changes with
> > each rep. Usually getting worse as you go. Then of course there is the
> > bouncing off the floor problem that often begins to occur when deadlifting
> > reps continuously.
>
> You're quite right - but none of this is really specific to the deadlift
> (except the floor bouncing), it's specific to training for 1RM, ie
> powerlifting, rather than training for mass and strength, ie bodybuilding.
> As you say, someone doing deads for bodybuilding doesn't need to worry
> about this. But someone who actually wants to pull as big a lift as
> possible in competition absolutely does! And ditto for squats and benches
> (insofar as a sequence-of-singles approach is possible there) no?
>
> tom
>
> --
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I think that bodybuilders sometimes use a rest-pause technique too, so
I think there are other reasons not associated with powerlifting. If
nothing else it could be another way to change up the routine to keep
from getting in a rut. Right?
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic.RemoveThis@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0804031844020.22649@urchin.earth.li...
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, GregB wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 31, 9:30 pm, kb <kilroyb....RemoveThis@usa.com> wrote:
>>>> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
>>>> second
>>>> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
>>>> working out with seated chest press machine:
>>>> 1) Push the handle forward.
>>>> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
>>>> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
>>>> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
>>>> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>>>>
>>>> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
>>>> other machine exercises?
>>>
>>> There are times when people are intentionally resting between each rep in
>>> something called rest-pause training. Or you might have just finished a
>>> set and want to rest slightly before finishing off with one more rep.
>>> You will hear/read all kinds of opinions about what is the right way to
>>> do things, but you have to decide for yourself what your goals are and
>>> why you're doing the movements you are doing.
>>
>> I've certainly read on this very group of people doing sets of deadlifts
>> as a 'series of singles', briefly letting the bar rest on the ground
>> between reps.
>>
>> Conventional thinking would say not to do this, because you want to
>> maximise the continuous time under tension, but if you find it helps you
>> reach your goals, go for it. Something i do is use a sort of hybrid
>> technique, striving for a continuous lift, but letting the bar rest
>> towards the end of the set if i can't manage that. Over time, i need to
>> use pauses less and less, and can eventually do the set continuously.
>
> Tom there is a reason for pausing between reps on the deadlift. A couple of
> reasons actually. If you try to keep continuous tension you end up with a
> rhythm, then over time your initial pull off the floor becomes your sticking
> point. This wouldn't matter to someone performing the deadlift simply for
> muscle building I suppose. But for someone after a single rep max it could
> be quite a problem.
>
> The second reason is that while doing continuous reps the form changes with
> each rep. Usually getting worse as you go. Then of course there is the
> bouncing off the floor problem that often begins to occur when deadlifting
> reps continuously.

You're quite right - but none of this is really specific to the deadlift
(except the floor bouncing), it's specific to training for 1RM, ie
powerlifting, rather than training for mass and strength, ie bodybuilding.
As you say, someone doing deads for bodybuilding doesn't need to worry
about this. But someone who actually wants to pull as big a lift as
possible in competition absolutely does! And ditto for squats and benches
(insofar as a sequence-of-singles approach is possible there) no?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" <twic DeleteThis @urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic DeleteThis @urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0804031844020.22649@urchin.earth.li...
>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, GregB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 9:30 pm, kb <kilroyb... DeleteThis @usa.com> wrote:
>>>>> I was told to not let the bar plate come down in order to perform the
>>>>> second
>>>>> and subsequent repetitions. Here is what I was told to do while
>>>>> working out with seated chest press machine:
>>>>> 1) Push the handle forward.
>>>>> 2) Lower the handle, but do not let the bar plate return to its
>>>>> original position where it hits the other bars. Instead lower the
>>>>> plate until it is only a few inches before it hits the other bars.
>>>>> 3) Push handle forward again and repeat reps until failure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, never hit the bars while performing a rep.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that how to do a correct seated bench press machine exercise and
>>>>> other machine exercises?
>>>>
>>>> There are times when people are intentionally resting between each rep
>>>> in
>>>> something called rest-pause training. Or you might have just finished
>>>> a
>>>> set and want to rest slightly before finishing off with one more rep.
>>>> You will hear/read all kinds of opinions about what is the right way to
>>>> do things, but you have to decide for yourself what your goals are and
>>>> why you're doing the movements you are doing.
>>>
>>> I've certainly read on this very group of people doing sets of deadlifts
>>> as a 'series of singles', briefly letting the bar rest on the ground
>>> between reps.
>>>
>>> Conventional thinking would say not to do this, because you want to
>>> maximise the continuous time under tension, but if you find it helps you
>>> reach your goals, go for it. Something i do is use a sort of hybrid
>>> technique, striving for a continuous lift, but letting the bar rest
>>> towards the end of the set if i can't manage that. Over time, i need to
>>> use pauses less and less, and can eventually do the set continuously.
>>
>> Tom there is a reason for pausing between reps on the deadlift. A couple
>> of
>> reasons actually. If you try to keep continuous tension you end up with a
>> rhythm, then over time your initial pull off the floor becomes your
>> sticking
>> point. This wouldn't matter to someone performing the deadlift simply for
>> muscle building I suppose. But for someone after a single rep max it
>> could
>> be quite a problem.
>>
>> The second reason is that while doing continuous reps the form changes
>> with
>> each rep. Usually getting worse as you go. Then of course there is the
>> bouncing off the floor problem that often begins to occur when
>> deadlifting
>> reps continuously.
>
> You're quite right - but none of this is really specific to the deadlift
> (except the floor bouncing), it's specific to training for 1RM, ie
> powerlifting, rather than training for mass and strength, ie bodybuilding.
> As you say, someone doing deads for bodybuilding doesn't need to worry
> about this. But someone who actually wants to pull as big a lift as
> possible in competition absolutely does! And ditto for squats and benches
> (insofar as a sequence-of-singles approach is possible there) no?
>
> tom
>
> --
> Vegetables, rice and peas.

Yes a sequence of singles approach is possible in the squat and bench.
Though it can be quite cumbersome in the squat because of the hassle of
walking the weight out. With the squat a series of doubles seemed to work
better.

I have used a method in the past, and was quite successful with it, where I
would put about 90% of my max on the bar and bench it every 60 seconds until
10 reps were completed.
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:

> I have used a method in the past, and was quite successful with it,
> where I would put about 90% of my max on the bar and bench it every 60
> seconds until 10 reps were completed.

Sounds effective. But it also sounds like pure pain!

tom

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