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Dopey Bastard wrote:
> In article <de9bl5$kjo$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> sethb DeleteThis @panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
> [snip]
>>
>> (Philly had a bunch of murders, so the mayor thinks they should
>> reduce the number of carry permits.
>
> Typical left-liberal anti-gun-nut "logic." Boggles the mind,
> doesn't it?
>
>> At the trial of some of the murderers,
>> the DA made a major point of showing that none of the defendants had
>> a carry permit.)
>
> <sarcasm strength="dripping">Really?</sarcasm>
>
> If you're not a left-liberal anti-gun-nut hoplophobe, you might be
> interested in knowing that, when they passed the new "shall issue"
> law here a few years ago, the Usual Suspects predicted "Dodge City,"
> "blood running in the streets," yadda, yadda, yadda. Of course it
> hasn't come to pass. And now even the new law's most vocal critics,
> at the time, admit the law seems to be working well and has not been
> a problem. Law enforcement notes that the number of carry license
> revocations have been so low as to be almost nonexistent, and most
> of those due to misdemeanor violations.

I live in Oregon, one of the most liberal states in the US. We've had CCW
rights here since the early 90s if I recall correctly. Everybody in
government was against it at the time and I'm surprised it even was allowed.
They all said there would be shootouts by road rage drivers, etc.

I went in a few years ago to renew mine and talked at length with the
sheriff that was in charge of issuing permits. I asked if they have had any
problems with people with permits abusing it. She said that initially, she
was against all concealed weapons permits. But she said they now had over
38,000 permit holders (as of three years ago just in Mult. County), and in
all that time, they have *never* had one instance of a permit holder abusing
his gun privilege. Ever.

She's all for concealed weapons permits now.

That's one more converted from Blair's camp. It's amazing how truth
overcomes emotional paranoia for some people...
--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer
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In article <11ggtgg8kfrvka5.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
Dopey Bastard <dbastard.RemoveThis@LinxNet.com> wrote:
>In article <de9bl5$kjo$1@reader2.panix.com>,
> sethb.RemoveThis@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>>
>> (Philly had a bunch of murders, so the mayor thinks they should reduce
>> the number of carry permits.
>
>Typical left-liberal anti-gun-nut "logic." Boggles the mind,
>doesn't it?

"Something must be done. This is something. Therefore, this must be
done."

>> At the trial of some of the murderers,
>> the DA made a major point of showing that none of the defendants had a
>> carry permit.)
>
><sarcasm strength="dripping">Really?</sarcasm>

A friend of mine was on the jury; I don't think that fact made the
news.

>If you're not a left-liberal anti-gun-nut hoplophobe, you might be
>interested in knowing that, when they passed the new "shall issue"
>law here a few years ago, the Usual Suspects predicted "Dodge City,"
>"blood running in the streets," yadda, yadda, yadda. Of course it
>hasn't come to pass. And now even the new law's most vocal critics,
>at the time, admit the law seems to be working well and has not been
>a problem. Law enforcement notes that the number of carry license
>revocations have been so low as to be almost nonexistent, and most
>of those due to misdemeanor violations.

If "here" is .mn.us, I think the number is 1 (and the idiocy involved
didn't require a carry permit, the idiot was on his own property and
wasn't even carrying, he went into his house to get his gun to shoot
his brother's car).

Seth
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Seth Breidbart <sethb.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <jpTNe.56860$576.35465@fe02.news.easynews.com>,
>Blair P. Houghton <b.DeleteThis@p.h> wrote:
>> "Not many people dying because of
>> sword nuts these days..."
>
>And how many die because of those you'd characterize as "gun nuts"?

Tens of thousands a year.

Gun nuts and the NRA, which is more properly termed
the Cheap Gun Marketing Lobbying Association.

>(Philly had a bunch of murders, so the mayor thinks they should reduce
>the number of carry permits. At the trial of some of the murderers,
>the DA made a major point of showing that none of the defendants had a
>carry permit.)

Irrelevant, but your kind always is.

--Blair
"Two glocks in every pot."
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Larry Hodges <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>Dopey Bastard wrote:
>I live in Oregon, one of the most liberal states in the US. We've had CCW
>rights here since the early 90s if I recall correctly. Everybody in

What do CCW permits have to do with gun nuts?

--Blair
"Your strawman is leaking."
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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> Larry Hodges <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>> Dopey Bastard wrote:
>> I live in Oregon, one of the most liberal states in the US. We've
>> had CCW rights here since the early 90s if I recall correctly.
>> Everybody in
>
> What do CCW permits have to do with gun nuts?
>
> --Blair
> "Your strawman is leaking."

Don't be a moron. Wait...too late.

Didn't you know all CCW holders are gun nuts? Blair, I am surprised.
You're much too slow.

--
-Larry

"Your short bus has arrived"
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In article <ey6Oe.67724$0_.38653@fe04.news.easynews.com>,
Blair P. Houghton <b DeleteThis @p.h> wrote:
>Seth Breidbart <sethb DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <jpTNe.56860$576.35465@fe02.news.easynews.com>,
>>Blair P. Houghton <b DeleteThis @p.h> wrote:
>>> "Not many people dying because of
>>> sword nuts these days..."
>>
>>And how many die because of those you'd characterize as "gun nuts"?
>
>Tens of thousands a year.

Name three.

>Gun nuts and the NRA, which is more properly termed
>the Cheap Gun Marketing Lobbying Association.

So you can't actually provide any evidence, can you?

>>(Philly had a bunch of murders, so the mayor thinks they should reduce
>>the number of carry permits. At the trial of some of the murderers,
>>the DA made a major point of showing that none of the defendants had a
>>carry permit.)
>
>Irrelevant, but your kind always is.

But then, your kind never does get along well with requirements for
actual evidence, use of logic, and the like.

Seth
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Larry Hodges <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>
>Didn't you know all CCW holders are gun nuts?
>
>--
>-Larry

I'll remember you said that.

--Blair
"So will everyone else."
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Seth Breidbart <sethb.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <ey6Oe.67724$0_.38653@fe04.news.easynews.com>,
>Blair P. Houghton <b.DeleteThis@p.h> wrote:
>>Seth Breidbart <sethb.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote:
>>>In article <jpTNe.56860$576.35465@fe02.news.easynews.com>,
>>>Blair P. Houghton <b.DeleteThis@p.h> wrote:
>>>> "Not many people dying because of
>>>> sword nuts these days..."
>>>
>>>And how many die because of those you'd characterize as "gun nuts"?
>>
>>Tens of thousands a year.
>
>Name three.

I'll let Jim Brady handle that:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=kids

>>Gun nuts and the NRA, which is more properly termed
>>the Cheap Gun Marketing Lobbying Association.
>
>So you can't actually provide any evidence, can you?

So you can't actually address your lobby's PR camouflage, can you?

>>>(Philly had a bunch of murders, so the mayor thinks they should reduce
>>>the number of carry permits. At the trial of some of the murderers,
>>>the DA made a major point of showing that none of the defendants had a
>>>carry permit.)
>>
>>Irrelevant, but your kind always is.
>
>But then, your kind never does get along well with requirements for
>actual evidence, use of logic, and the like.

Dead kids aren't evidence?

--Blair
"The law thinks they are."
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In article <deam08$g68$1@reader2.panix.com>,
sethb RemoveThis @panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
> In article <11ggtgg8kfrvka5 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> Dopey Bastard <dbastard RemoveThis @LinxNet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
>>If you're not a left-liberal anti-gun-nut hoplophobe, you might be
>>interested in knowing that, when they passed the new "shall issue"
>>law here a few years ago, the Usual Suspects predicted "Dodge City,"
>>"blood running in the streets," yadda, yadda, yadda. Of course it
>>hasn't come to pass. And now even the new law's most vocal critics,
>>at the time, admit the law seems to be working well and has not been
>>a problem. Law enforcement notes that the number of carry license
>>revocations have been so low as to be almost nonexistent, and most
>>of those due to misdemeanor violations.
>
> If "here" is .mn.us, I think the number is 1 (and the idiocy involved
> didn't require a carry permit, the idiot was on his own property and
> wasn't even carrying, he went into his house to get his gun to shoot
> his brother's car).

Nah, "here" is Michigan.

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In article <dedj12$86h$1@reader2.panix.com>,
sethb.RemoveThis@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
[snip]
>
> The interesting thing to notice is that neither of the idiots was
> carrying; they both went home (or wherever) to get a gun.

Did they have carry licenses, either of them?

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In article <cTxOe.97276$uo4.29981@fe01.news.easynews.com>,
Blair P. Houghton <b.RemoveThis@p.h> writes:
> Seth Breidbart <sethb.RemoveThis@panix.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>
>>Name three.
>
> I'll let Jim Brady handle that:

Ohgawd.

>
> http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=kids

5,285 "children" were "killed by firearms" (I guess those firearms
just got up and went berserk one day) in the U.S., eh? Do you
wonder, Blair, how the Brady Campaign classifies "children?"

>
>>So you can't actually provide any evidence, can you?
>
> So you can't actually address your lobby's PR camouflage, can you?

USDoJ stats and those provided by other organizations are hardly
"PR camoflage."

>
>>But then, your kind never does get along well with requirements for
>>actual evidence, use of logic, and the like.
>
> Dead kids aren't evidence?

Actually, no, they're not. Not when they're not "kids," as most
people define or think of the word's meaning. Of course, the Brady
Campaign's using words like "children" and "kids" that way must be an
unintentional over-simplification. Certainly there's no *intent* to
deceive.

And that's not all. That article is littered with vague half-truths
and down-right lies. Let's examine some of them, shall we?

Trigger resistance. That's as stupid an argument as one could make.
Trigger control, when shooting, is perhaps the single most critical
aspect to shooting well. Anybody that knew the first damn thing
about shooting would know that. And how does one achieve competent
trigger control? Two ways: Practice and having a smooth trigger
mechanism without too much trigger resistance. (I'm deliberately
using non-technical terms.) A firearm that had a trigger stiff
enough to satisfy the Brady Campaign would be worthless for most
purposes--target shooting or self-defense.

Few modern firearms, if any, will discharge when dropped on the
floor.

Safety disconnects and load indicators. Um, so we're to believe a
child that picks up a firearm is going to: 1. Know what those are and
mean and 2. Abide by them? Um... *cough*

The NRA *does* promote the safe storage of firearms, unlike what the
Brady campaign would have you believe.

Suicides and guns. Not a single credible, peer-reviewed study has
linked suicide and guns. Not one. The country with the highest
per-capita suicide rate in the industrialized world also has some of
the most, if not the most Draconian anti-gun laws on the books and
one of the lowest rates of private possession.

Students expelled for bringing guns to school. I wonder how many of
those were 1. Firearms and 2. *Working* firearms? (Not that, from a
disciplinary perspective, it should matter.)

There's more in there. Those are just the blatantly obviously ones.

Just stop and *think* about it for a moment, Blair. Do you know a
child or the family of a child, or the friend of a child, or a family
that is friends of a family with a child, that was affected by
violence involving a firearm? I mean: Other than those with which
you might be familiar if you're an active anti-gun activist. I
don't. I'm over a half-century old, have lived in a couple different
places in the U.S., visited many more, regularly correspond with
people all over the country, and do not know a child, a child with a
friend, a child's family, or their friends, anybody that's been
affected by so-called "gun violence." I'm just plain ol' mid-western
middle-class, Blair. Common as dirt. Wasn't brought up in an
especially protected environment with a silver spoon in my mouth.
Nothing like that.

How can it possibly be that the so-called "gun violence" problem is
so pervasive, yet neither I, nor anybody I know, or have ever known,
or anybody they've ever known, has ever been affected by so-called
"gun violence?"

The only answer I can come up with is somebody's lying.

Doesn't it bother you to be lied-to and manipulated, Blair? It would
bother me. It would bother me whether I supported the goal, whatever
it may be, or not.

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In article <8q5mg11nsh1grsqo3j173k90f5egfbjfr8 RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
John Hanson <jhanson RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> writes:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:12:21 -0000, dbastard RemoveThis @LinxNet.com (Dopey
> Bastard) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>In article <dedj12$86h$1@reader2.panix.com>,
>> sethb RemoveThis @panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>>[snip]
>>>
>>> The interesting thing to notice is that neither of the idiots was
>>> carrying; they both went home (or wherever) to get a gun.
>>
>>Did they have carry licenses, either of them?
>
> Both did but neither were carrying at the time of the altercation. I
> say the guy who killed his brother's car was perfectly justified when
> he went into his house, grabbed his pistol and shot out the engine
> block while his brother purposely tore up his landscaping.
[snip]

I can't say as I blame him, either, but I doubt I'd do the same if
all he was doing was pulling donuts in my front yard.

>
> The other bonehead was drunk and was bragging about his permit ...
[snip]
>

What a loser. It's just a freakin' CCW/CPL/whatever. It isn't the
prize catch of the day, a hole-in-one, or hitting the lottery.

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Dopey Bastard <dbastard.RemoveThis@LinxNet.com> wrote:
>> http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=kids
>
>5,285 "children" were "killed by firearms" (I guess those firearms
>just got up and went berserk one day) in the U.S., eh? Do you
>wonder, Blair, how the Brady Campaign classifies "children?"

The fact that you would attempt to pick that as some
sort of nit shows your craven inhumanity in the face
of having to give up a right you never had.

--Blair
"Read the whole amendment."
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