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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:14:24 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com>
wrote:

>So what's your magic plan that is going to get rid of the millions of
>guns that are already in the U.S. while keeping organized crime from
>manufacturing their own weapons and selling them on the black market?
>It's easy to say that my position is "NRA rhetoric," but unless you
>have some sort of a plan that doesn't involve magic or divine
>intervention then effective gun control in the U.S. will remain
>"wishful thinking."

Oh I see, the rule says "I MUST have an alternative plan, or you
cannot disagree"??? BAHAHAHAHA!

TBR

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Seth Breidbart <sethb.RemoveThis@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <G2nPe.150486$j83.127524@fe05.news.easynews.com>,
>Blair P. Houghton <b.RemoveThis@p.h> wrote:
>
>>You wouldn't get the license unless you intended to get a gun.
>
>A friend of mine, who's an instructor for licensing, told me that a
>number of his students got licenses but have no intentions of getting
>guns. Some just wanted to have the option.
>
>>In this country, today, there are two standards. You may
>>carry a gun if by the determination of the state you are
>>neither too young, too old, too criminally bent, too mentally
>>unsound, nor under a court's order not to carry a gun.
>>
>>You may conceal your gun if you fit the state's criteria
>>for that (usually claiming some sort of need and taking
>>a class).
>
>That varies by state. In MN, for example, the license permits its
>holder to carry; whether openly or concealed is the holder's option.
>
>>If we limit gun ownership to those willing to fit that
>>standard for concealing a gun, then we will limit gun
>>ownership.
>
>All we can do is limit _legal_ gun ownership. Since criminals, by
>definition, don't obey laws, passing laws telling them not to do stuff
>isn't very effective.

We can limit the total ownership of guns which will
restrict the avenues by which criminals obtain guns.

Many of the people who commit crimes with guns were not
criminals until some time after they obtained the gun,
and in many cases the gun enables their decision to commit
a crime.

>>Simple rule of retail economics: the easier it is to make
>>the purchase, the more people will do it. The people whose
>>deciding factor is ease of obtaining it will be the ones
>>with the least need for it.
>
>Until they get attacked, then they realize they do have a need, but
>it's too late.

Or until they get mad, then they realize a gun would
help them get their way.

>>Possibly, but then I'm not an anti-gun nut.
>
>It walks like an anti-gun nut, it quacks like an anti-gun nut, I pour
>orange sauce over it and get anti-gun nut a l'orange, but it claims
>not to be an anti-gun nut. Whatever.

You're an illogical person. You can pour orange sauce on
anything you want and pretend it's edible. I recommend
your gun.

--Blair
"Mine's safe with me."