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John Hanson wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:08:57 -0000, dbastard DeleteThis @LinxNet.com (Dopey
> Bastard) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>> In article <5b7ug1t52fvfbktmooo13nk3nb7cqpfe4l DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
>> John Hanson <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> writes:
>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:09:26 -0000, dbastard DeleteThis @LinxNet.com (Dopey
>>> Bastard) wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>> [snip]
>>>> There's a world of difference between casual shooting at the range
>>>> and combat shooting. While I support the right, the
>>>> responsibility, even, of every individual to protect and defend
>>>> themselves, I believe it *unwise* for somebody not adequately
>>>> instructed and practiced in firearms use to carry one for defense.
>>>
>>> I think individuals should be the judge of their own combat shooting
>>> proficiency regarding carrying for personal defense.
>>
>> I tend to agree--simply because allowing others to do the judging
>> can lead to abuse. Probably would lead to abuse. But that doesn't
>> change the fact that one ought not carry unless one can do so
>> competently. Controlling deadly force is a heavy responsibility.
>
> I think most incompetent, potential gun carrying law abiding citizens
> wouldn't carry or they would seek training or practice/study the art
> of combat arms before carrying anyway.

Good point John. The ability to have and use common sense by the individual
is not allowed by the Left.
--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:36:02 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>John Hanson wrote:

>> I think most incompetent, potential gun carrying law abiding citizens
>> wouldn't carry or they would seek training or practice/study the art
>> of combat arms before carrying anyway.
>
>Good point John. The ability to have and use common sense by the individual
>is not allowed by the Left.

Exactly. But, that's not hard to understand as the left is emotion
based instead of logic based.
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I also checked on this guy, go there and read up
about this guy, he's a
homeless alchoholic with no job, or means of
support. He was recently run out
of california for drug dealing, and is an illegal
alien. Now I picked that up
in 10 minutes of reading that group, so I think
you just found out who your
real troll is.

Bill R.






On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:29:23 +0100, Charles
<charles.DeleteThis@uk.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:39:13 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Charles" <charles.DeleteThis@uk.com> wrote in message
>>news:ogqrg1hbfbh3atjmrgk93h8vj62cj1v4sb@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:41:56 -0000, dbastard.DeleteThis@LinxNet.com (Dopey
>>> Bastard) wrote:
>>>
>>> >In article <8mcrg1tuc183j9nrk8gj2rn1t0o4um0m0g.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
>>> > Charles <charles.DeleteThis@uk.com> writes:
>>> >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:38:31 -0000, dbastard.DeleteThis@LinxNet.com (Dopey
>>> >> Bastard) wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>In article <gfqqg15go5cr98jbvrqp82f2tjto817bha.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
>>> >>> Charles <chucky.DeleteThis@gb.com> writes:
>>> >>>[snip]
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You are beginning to emerge as the Group's resident "troll" Jim!!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Yay for me!
>>> >>
>>> >> Not so Sir, those of us who have been vying for the title for a number
>>> >> of years, may not be too impressed at your rate of emergence!
>>> >
>>> >One may perhaps be forgiven for suspecting what you really meant by
>>> >that was "not too happy."
>>>
>>> I can speak for only myself but it is acknowledged that my sense of
>>> humour has not been over stimulated by the speed that you have taken
>>> to the task at hand, given the length of time it took others to
>>> achieve authentic "troll" status!
>>>
>>> You will need positive assessment by the Idiot Michaels, together with
>>> proof of harassment upon a helpless hapless female, and positive
>>> evidence that you have been responsible for the departure from the
>>> Group of at least two "old regulars", before you are able to achieve
>>> full authentication.
>>>
>>> You're degree of irritating bastard is already at above average, and
>>> you possess superior levels of dopiness.
>>>
>>> Until the above criteria stipulated in paragraph two has been
>>> achieved, the Board of Resident "Trolls" have decided that you will be
>>> designated Local Temporary Unpaid Acting Probationary "Troll" 2nd
>>> Class.
>>
>>I think you are being overly generous Charles.- Dopey has a long way to go
>>before he can be designated even "Apprentice Troll". You forgot that in
>>order to earn that rarefied title he needs at the very least to have been
>>killfiled by the idiot Michaels.
>
>I think that was covered under his "positive assessment by the Idiot
>Michaels" clause.
>
>However, if you believe that an alleged "killingfiling" from the guru
>of all things "whingeing" and "whining" is appropriate, no doubt the
>self-appointed master of such things will oblige in due course!! ;o)
>
>HAGW!
>
>TFIF!

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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:47:54 -0400, The Bill Rodgers
<BillRodgers RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>I also checked on this guy, go there and read up
>about this guy, he's a
>homeless alchoholic with no job, or means of
>support. He was recently run out
>of california for drug dealing, and is an illegal
>alien. Now I picked that up
>in 10 minutes of reading that group, so I think
>you just found out who your
>real troll is.
>
>Bill R.
>
>
<plonk>

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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Larry Hodges <2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>Good point John. The ability to have and use common sense by the individual
>is not allowed by the Left.

False. It's not required by the Right. In fact, they
nurture the stupid and call them their red-state base.

--Blair
"Just trying to make sure you don't
die stupidly. Ironic, huh."
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And you stole yours from your mommy perhaps? You seem to have gotten
hold of her computer.

Give it back now. That's a good lad.
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The Bill Rodgers <TBR DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:36:02 +0000 (UTC), sethb DeleteThis @panix.com (Seth
> Breidbart) wrote:
>
>> Some just wanted to have the option.
>
> LOL Yeah sure. Like the guy who carrys a condom in his wallet?
>
>>All we can do is limit _legal_ gun ownership. Since criminals, by
>>definition, don't obey laws, passing laws telling them not to do
>>stuff isn't very effective.
>
> Yes, and limiting legal ownership is the first step in limiting
> criminals access, since they steal their guns from legal gun owners.

People have been manufacturing firearms for hundreds of years. What's
more there are millions of guns in the U.S. The firearm cat is firmly
out of the bag. Criminals will be able to get firearms no matter what
goofy laws we might pass. When you limit legal gun ownership all you
do is make it more difficult to own a gun legally.

Jason
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:14:18 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com>
wrote:

> When you limit legal gun ownership all you
>do is make it more difficult to own a gun legally.

NRA rhetoric.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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In article <G2nPe.150486$j83.127524@fe05.news.easynews.com>,
Blair P. Houghton <b.DeleteThis@p.h> wrote:

>You wouldn't get the license unless you intended to get a gun.

A friend of mine, who's an instructor for licensing, told me that a
number of his students got licenses but have no intentions of getting
guns. Some just wanted to have the option.

>In this country, today, there are two standards. You may
>carry a gun if by the determination of the state you are
>neither too young, too old, too criminally bent, too mentally
>unsound, nor under a court's order not to carry a gun.
>
>You may conceal your gun if you fit the state's criteria
>for that (usually claiming some sort of need and taking
>a class).

That varies by state. In MN, for example, the license permits its
holder to carry; whether openly or concealed is the holder's option.

>If we limit gun ownership to those willing to fit that
>standard for concealing a gun, then we will limit gun
>ownership.

All we can do is limit _legal_ gun ownership. Since criminals, by
definition, don't obey laws, passing laws telling them not to do stuff
isn't very effective.

>Simple rule of retail economics: the easier it is to make
>the purchase, the more people will do it. The people whose
>deciding factor is ease of obtaining it will be the ones
>with the least need for it.

Until they get attacked, then they realize they do have a need, but
it's too late.

>Possibly, but then I'm not an anti-gun nut.

It walks like an anti-gun nut, it quacks like an anti-gun nut, I pour
orange sauce over it and get anti-gun nut a l'orange, but it claims
not to be an anti-gun nut. Whatever.

Seth
--
You have a remarkable lack of empathy. -- Penn Jillette (to me)
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:36:02 +0000 (UTC), sethb.RemoveThis@panix.com (Seth
Breidbart) wrote:

> Some just wanted to have the option.

LOL Yeah sure. Like the guy who carrys a condom in his wallet?

>All we can do is limit _legal_ gun ownership. Since criminals, by
>definition, don't obey laws, passing laws telling them not to do stuff
>isn't very effective.

Yes, and limiting legal ownership is the first step in limiting
criminals access, since they steal their guns from legal gun owners.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:14:18 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>The Bill Rodgers <TBR.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:36:02 +0000 (UTC), sethb.TakeThisOut@panix.com (Seth
>> Breidbart) wrote:
>>
>>> Some just wanted to have the option.
>>
>> LOL Yeah sure. Like the guy who carrys a condom in his wallet?
>>
>>>All we can do is limit _legal_ gun ownership. Since criminals, by
>>>definition, don't obey laws, passing laws telling them not to do
>>>stuff isn't very effective.
>>
>> Yes, and limiting legal ownership is the first step in limiting
>> criminals access, since they steal their guns from legal gun owners.
>
>People have been manufacturing firearms for hundreds of years. What's
>more there are millions of guns in the U.S. The firearm cat is firmly
>out of the bag. Criminals will be able to get firearms no matter what
>goofy laws we might pass. When you limit legal gun ownership all you
>do is make it more difficult to own a gun legally.
>

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/nation/12509409.htm

Posted on Tue, Aug. 30, 2005


Global weapons sales rise in 2004

New York Times


WASHINGTON — The value of military weapons sales worldwide jumped in
2004 to the highest level since 2000, driven by arms deals with
developing nations, especially India, Saudi Arabia and China,
according to a congressional study.

The total of arms sales and weapons transfer agreements to both
industrialized and developing nations was almost $37 billion in 2004,
according to the study.

That total was the largest since 2000, when global arms sales reached
$42.1 billion, and was far above the 2003 figure of $28.5 billion.

The United States once again dominated global weapons sales, signing
deals worth $12.4 billion in 2004, or 33.5 percent of all contracts
worldwide. But that was down from $15.1 billion in 2003.

The share of American arms contracts specifically with developing
nations was $6.9 billion in 2004, or 31.6 percent of all such deals,
up slightly from $6.5 billion in 2003.

Russia was second in sales, with $6.1 billion in agreements, or 16.5
percent of all such contracts, a notable increase from its $4.4
billion in sales in 2003. In 2004, Russia signed arms transfer deals
worth $5.9 billion with the developing world, 27.1 percent of the
global total, up from $4.3 billion in 2003.

Britain was third in arms transfer agreements to the developing world
in 2004, signing contracts worth $3.2 billion, while Israel ranked
fourth, with deals worth $1.2 billion. France followed with $1
billion.

The report is published by the Congressional Research Service, a
division of the Library of Congress.
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The Bill Rodgers <TBR.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> writes:

> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:14:18 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com>
> wrote:
>
>> When you limit legal gun ownership all you
>>do is make it more difficult to own a gun legally.
>
> NRA rhetoric.

So what's your magic plan that is going to get rid of the millions of
guns that are already in the U.S. while keeping organized crime from
manufacturing their own weapons and selling them on the black market?
It's easy to say that my position is "NRA rhetoric," but unless you
have some sort of a plan that doesn't involve magic or divine
intervention then effective gun control in the U.S. will remain
"wishful thinking."

Jason
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The Bill Rodgers <TBR.DeleteThis@comcast.net> writes:

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:14:24 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com>
> wrote:
>
>>So what's your magic plan that is going to get rid of the millions of
>>guns that are already in the U.S. while keeping organized crime from
>>manufacturing their own weapons and selling them on the black market?
>>It's easy to say that my position is "NRA rhetoric," but unless you
>>have some sort of a plan that doesn't involve magic or divine
>>intervention then effective gun control in the U.S. will remain
>>"wishful thinking."
>
> Oh I see, the rule says "I MUST have an alternative plan, or you
> cannot disagree"??? BAHAHAHAHA!

You can disagree all you want. Just don't expect to be taken
seriously. If reality doesn't have to enter the equation then I could
just say that instead of trying to take guns off the streets we should
simply work at bio-engineering bulletproof people. Heck, it actually
might be easier to make people bulletproof than to get guns off the
street. One of the things that the U.S. learned from prohibition and
the more recent war on drugs is that it is very difficult to outlaw
substances that are easy to manufacture.

Unless you have some sort of plan for getting guns out of the hands of
criminals you aren't really in favor of gun control but are instead in
favor of disarming law-abiding citizens. Historically that hasn't
ever worked out well for those groups being disarmed.

Jason
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