loooking for a way to overlay clock timer over movie on DV..

TC wrote:
> Notgiven wrote:
> > Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much detail.
> > Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second display)
> > on top of video?
> >
> > I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If new
> > camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well as
> > inexpesnive recommended models.
> >
> > Many thanks for your help!
>
> Use an editing machine. It's like a fancy double VCR with the
> appropriate functions including time counts. If there is a local cable
> provider (in Canada) in your town, they will have the equipment and if
> you volunteer, they will train you and give you access. Or a video
> production group or club may have the proper equipment and all you need
> is to join and get training. Or a school with courses in video or
> television or communications will have the editor.
>
> TC

This may be a longshot, but you might want to check out
http://www.irfanview.com/ as well.

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Curt
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Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much detail.
> Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second display)
> on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If new
> camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well as
> inexpesnive recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!
>
>
Edit in a window, or watch on a computer and put clock in another window.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”
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we're talking 60ths of a second here so that might not be practical.

Thanks though

"Del Cecchi" <cecchinospam.RemoveThis@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
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> Notgiven wrote:
>> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much
>> detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th
>> second display) on top of video?
>>
>> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If
>> new camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as
>> well as inexpesnive recommended models.
>>
>> Many thanks for your help!
> Edit in a window, or watch on a computer and put clock in another window.
>
> --
> Del Cecchi
> "This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
> strategies or opinions.”
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Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much detail.
> Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second display)
> on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If new
> camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well as
> inexpesnive recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!

Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of 1/30 sec you
won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of a second. 1/30 would
work though.

Premiere Pro.
Final Cut Pro.
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"EatMe" <trollsblow RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Notgiven wrote:
>> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much
>> detail.
>> Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second
>> display)
>> on top of video?
>>
>> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If
>> new
>> camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well
>> as
>> inexpesnive recommended models.
>>
>> Many thanks for your help!
>
> Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of 1/30 sec you
> won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of a second. 1/30 would
> work though.

Nearly... As you say there are 2 fields to a video frame. These are scanned
so all of the even lines are scanned in the first one, and all the odd ones
on the second field.

Given that the field rate is 60Hz in NTSC. You'll be able to see movement at
1/60 of a sec.

>
> Premiere Pro.
> Final Cut Pro.
>

Steve
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However, there are 30 frames per second (give or take 1) in NTSC. You
have to be VERY good to spot a 1 field error. It appears like a flash
(as does a bad frame) and it is very hard to edit to a field. More
editing is done to a frame. In fact, most commercials (used to be
edited) to 29.5 seconds. Now there are frame accurate automation
systems that most major tv stations and network use. However, now it
is even MORE important to be accurate to the frame.


Steve wrote:
> "EatMe" <trollsblow.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155345189.213618.298220@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Notgiven wrote:
> >> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much
> >> detail.
> >> Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second
> >> display)
> >> on top of video?
> >>
> >> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If
> >> new
> >> camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well
> >> as
> >> inexpesnive recommended models.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for your help!
> >
> > Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of 1/30 sec you
> > won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of a second. 1/30 would
> > work though.
>
> Nearly... As you say there are 2 fields to a video frame. These are scanned
> so all of the even lines are scanned in the first one, and all the odd ones
> on the second field.
>
> Given that the field rate is 60Hz in NTSC. You'll be able to see movement at
> 1/60 of a sec.
>
> >
> > Premiere Pro.
> > Final Cut Pro.
> >
>
> Steve
 >> Stay informed about: loooking for a way to overlay clock timer over movie on DV.. 

However, there are 30 frames per second (give or take 1) in NTSC. You
have to be VERY good to spot a 1 field error. It appears like a flash
(as does a bad frame) and it is very hard to edit to a field. More
editing is done to a frame. In fact, most commercials (used to be
edited) to 29.5 seconds. Now there are frame accurate automation
systems that most major tv stations and network use. However, now it
is even MORE important to be accurate to the frame.

A better idea is to find someone with a high grade (i,e. professional)
character generator (chyron, deko) and use the clock feature on it. I
believe that it may be able to be programmed to 100ths of a second.
Although the usual is in fractions of seconds but not 100ths.


Steve wrote:
> "EatMe" <trollsblow RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1155345189.213618.298220@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Notgiven wrote:
> >> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much
> >> detail.
> >> Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second
> >> display)
> >> on top of video?
> >>
> >> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If
> >> new
> >> camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well
> >> as
> >> inexpesnive recommended models.
> >>
> >> Many thanks for your help!
> >
> > Since a full frame (2 fields) is refreshed at a rate of 1/30 sec you
> > won't be able to display an accurate 1/100 of a second. 1/30 would
> > work though.
>
> Nearly... As you say there are 2 fields to a video frame. These are scanned
> so all of the even lines are scanned in the first one, and all the odd ones
> on the second field.
>
> Given that the field rate is 60Hz in NTSC. You'll be able to see movement at
> 1/60 of a sec.
>
> >
> > Premiere Pro.
> > Final Cut Pro.
> >
>
> Steve
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Hi
Here in Brazil I'm using DartFish. It has a option that you incert a
timer at the point you need to time.
Regards
Wlad
ps.: sorry for English Mistakes


Notgiven wrote:
> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much detail.
> Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th second display)
> on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display. If new
> camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too as well as
> inexpesnive recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!
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<msgrupp.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> However, there are 30 frames per second (give or take 1) in NTSC. You
> have to be VERY good to spot a 1 field error. It appears like a flash
> (as does a bad frame) and it is very hard to edit to a field. More
> editing is done to a frame. In fact, most commercials (used to be
> edited) to 29.5 seconds. Now there are frame accurate automation
> systems that most major tv stations and network use. However, now it
> is even MORE important to be accurate to the frame.
>

well.. yes.. but the point is that with standard NTSC video equipment can
resolve 60 images a second (all be it odd lines on the first and even lines
on the second) So if you want to look in detail at the motion of a sports
movement then you can do it to that accuracy. The fact that you'd generally
edit on a frame boundary is not really relevant...

<snip>

Steve
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"Notgiven" <notreallyme RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Need to into measuring speed of motion and such and need this much
> detail. Anyone know of a way to overlay a clock or timer (with 100th
> second display) on top of video?
>
> I don't think the camera itself has that detailed level of display.
> If new camera is the only way to accomplish this, let me know that too
> as well as inexpesnive recommended models.
>
> Many thanks for your help!

Studio, made by Pinnacle, is a popular video capture program that will
show you a clock, with 1/100ths of a second - should be all you need,
costs less than $100 retail. And I'm sure there are other programs as
well.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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