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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:39 am
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:19 am
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On 18 Oct 2006 05:39:02 -0700, "stryped" <stryped DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:


>As I said before, I am 35, pretty healthy. My weight is around 176 lbs,
>6 feet tall. I have a set of scales that shows bodyfat and it is around
>14- 16 % (Closer to 14 before I stopped running due to knee)

You cannot rely on those scales. They are notoriously inaccurate and
fluctuate greatly depending on degree of hydration. Get calipers and
learn how to use them or have someone use them on you. Slimguide are
inexpensive and pretty accurate.
>
>Anyway. When people look at me, they make comments about how skinny I
>look. (even though I am not.) I am predisposed because of genetics I
>guess, to accumulate bodyfat around my waist when I do get it.

I assume you are a male. If so you will likely accumulate fat around
your waist due to genetics. The problem may be your perception that
you are not skinny even though you are. Do you have jpegs you can
post?
>
>I have a gym 2 miles from where I work. Been thinking of joining it and
>working out on my lunch hour. (Which would give me an actual workout
>time of 30-40 minutes). It has swimming, cardio equipment and free
>weights. I live about 20 miles away though so my workout would have to
>be on my lunch hour.

That is a good idea.
>
>I guess what I am asking is, can you help me with a workout program to
>maybe gain upper body muscle but still stay lean and trim especially
>abdominally?

It is virtually impossible in the short run to gain upper body muscle
without also gaining fat. In the long run you can achieve your goal.
It requires you to cycle your workouts and calories. You go through a
cycle where you eat more than you need and work out and gain both
muscle and fat. You then go through a cycle when you lose fat and
mostly hold onto muscle by consuming few calories while still lifting
weights.

After several cycles you have more muscle and less fat.

But realize that in the beginning you will likely gain more fat around
your waist. You also need to consume enough protein. About a gram per
pound body weight per day is what you should aim for. You should eat
500-1000 calories per day in excess of your maintenance.

Go to www.fitday.com and plug in what you eat each day to see what
your maintenance is.




> I am assuming I need to lift weights, which I have done
>before. I have a treadmill at home I guess I could lift weights at the
>gym and when I get home run on the treadmill for 30 minutes. (If I am
>not too tired from the weights.

The treadmill will slow your muscle gains.

Check out www.stumptuous.com. Ignore that it seems to be aimed to
girls. It has a lot of good advice about diet and weights.
>
>I thought about lifting weigths 3 days a week and swimming two days
>during lunch, then running on the treadmill 3-4 days a week at home. I
>still feel I need to get into single digit bodyfat to show my abs but I
>dont want to do so and look even skinnier upper body wise than I do
>now.

See above.
>
>I am not looking to be a body builder but more the Mathew Mcconnohey
>type body. (You can go ahead and laugh now).

Hahahaha.
>
>Any help whenever you get a chance would be appreciated!

HTH

Bubba

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:56 pm
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On 18 Oct 2006 12:56:04 -0700, "stryped" <stryped RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

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>I can get a picure. Where and how could I post it?



http://familyinternet.about.com/od/sharingonline/tp/sharephotos.htm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:01 am
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:53 pm
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On 19 Oct 2006 07:01:58 -0700, "stryped" <stryped RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

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>Try this. These are bad pictures but I took them last night.
>
>http://www.picturehosting.org/gallery.php?u=stryped&g=test


Based upon your pictures you appear to have a body fat percentage of
between 12-15% which is well within normal limits and quite healthy. I
don't think that you have a significant amount of abdominal fat (love
handles) although you clearly don't have a washboard abdomen. To get a
washboard abdomen you need to get your body fat into the single
digits. But if you dieted down to single digit body fat you would look
like a concentration camp victim since you don't have much muscle
mass.

I think that your best strategy is to pack on 10-20 pounds of muscle
and then diet down the fat that you gain. You may end up weighing 185
pounds but your body fat percentage will be lower than it is now and
you will be happier with your appearance.

The best strategy to pack on muscle is to do a full body workout three
days a week. I strongly recommend hypertrophy specific training.
Google is your friend.

You need to calculate your caloric intake for maintaining weight and
then add 500-1000 calories per day. You will gain 1-2 pounds per week,
mostly muscle but some fat. You also need to consume at least 150
grams of protein per day.

After gaining ten pounds you could then diet down but still consume
adequate protein and continue weigh training. After dieting down you
may then want to go through another bulking cycle gaining ten pounds
and dieting down. Repeatedly cycling like this will result in more
muscle and less fat.

Good luck.

Bubba
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:14 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:14 am
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On 20 Oct 2006 05:14:45 -0700, "stryped" <stryped.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

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>Is it ok to swim or somethign the two days a week I dont lift?

Sure it is OK. But remember that the more cardio you do, the slower
your muscle gains will be. I would limit cardio to twice a week for
thirty minutes or less per session.



> Will
>swimming on off days help to build muscle too?

No. If you do too much it may have the opposite effect.
>
>What weight exercises do you recommend?

Always do compound exercises. For legs I suggest squat and dead lift.
For chest, bench press and incline press. For back, pullups and rows.
Don't waste time doing exercises for arms as your chest/back exercises
will give plenty of work to those areas.

Be sure you use proper form especially on squat and dead lift as
improper form can cause serious injury. Squats are probably the most
important exercise that you will do and also the most difficult to
perform properly as you need adequate hamstring flexibility to get
into the deep squat position.


>
>Do I look bad/ugly?

Your question suggests that you have a problem with your body image.
Regardless of what I say, it will not change how you look at yourself.
I would work on that.

I will say that I think you need to add muscle mass to your body
before you even consider dieting down to get washboard abs since you
are lacking in that area. The good news is that you are young enough
to bulk up pretty easily if you do it right. I don't think it
unreasonable to think that in a year you can add ten pounds of quality
muscle to your body while lowering your body fat percentage.

But again remember that in the short run your abdominal fat is going
to increase. If you cannot accept this short run increase in fat then
I would not do it. But in a year you may be quite pleasantly surprised
by the change in your appearance and body composition. Save your
before pictures.

Good luck.

Bubba



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>> On 19 Oct 2006 07:01:58 -0700, "stryped" <stryped.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >x-no-archive:yes
>> >
>> >Try this. These are bad pictures but I took them last night.
>> >
>> >http://www.picturehosting.org/gallery.php?u=stryped&g=test
>>
>>
>> Based upon your pictures you appear to have a body fat percentage of
>> between 12-15% which is well within normal limits and quite healthy. I
>> don't think that you have a significant amount of abdominal fat (love
>> handles) although you clearly don't have a washboard abdomen. To get a
>> washboard abdomen you need to get your body fat into the single
>> digits. But if you dieted down to single digit body fat you would look
>> like a concentration camp victim since you don't have much muscle
>> mass.
>>
>> I think that your best strategy is to pack on 10-20 pounds of muscle
>> and then diet down the fat that you gain. You may end up weighing 185
>> pounds but your body fat percentage will be lower than it is now and
>> you will be happier with your appearance.
>>
>> The best strategy to pack on muscle is to do a full body workout three
>> days a week. I strongly recommend hypertrophy specific training.
>> Google is your friend.
>>
>> You need to calculate your caloric intake for maintaining weight and
>> then add 500-1000 calories per day. You will gain 1-2 pounds per week,
>> mostly muscle but some fat. You also need to consume at least 150
>> grams of protein per day.
>>
>> After gaining ten pounds you could then diet down but still consume
>> adequate protein and continue weigh training. After dieting down you
>> may then want to go through another bulking cycle gaining ten pounds
>> and dieting down. Repeatedly cycling like this will result in more
>> muscle and less fat.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Bubba
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:59 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:58 pm
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On 20 Oct 2006 08:59:19 -0700, "stryped" <stryped.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

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>I looked up that HSt stuff you posted about. It had a sample workout>
>It was alot of single sets of 10.

Actually it is 1-2 sets of 15, 10 or 5 depending on which week you are
on. When I did the program I usually did 2 sets of each exercise. I
used the program for two years until I got as big as I wanted. Now I
am just on a maintenance plan designed to get stronger but not bigger.



>Does it work?

Worked for me. I put on twenty pounds of muscle over a two year
period. Through cycling my diet I also managed to lose about five
pounds of fat.


>
>Also, Can I still do swimming/running for cardio heart benefits?

Sure. It will slow your muscle gains though.


> I
>really worry about that with my family history of heart and diabetes
>problems.

I would make sure that you are eating a diet that reduces the risk of
heart disease and diabetes. Check out the DASH diet or Mediterranean
Diet.

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