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> Steve Freides wrote:
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>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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>>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>>> "Markus" <markus4412 RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being
>>>>>>> unfit,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't
>>>>>>> drink much
>>>>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>>>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> not much.
>>>>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip
>>>>>>> dinner
>>>>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>>>>> getting no
>>>>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like
>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>> a day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the
>>>>>>> '2500'
>>>>>>> calories
>>>>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually
>>>>>>> upping the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about
>>>>>>> 8km at the
>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>>>>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>>>>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance
>>>>>> - I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a
>>>>>> smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100
>>>>>> rpm or more is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio
>>>>>> benefit this way.
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>> exercise????
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit,
>>>> even
>>>> with no resistance.
>>>
>>> So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????
>>>
>>>> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>> report back if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>> Oh, 10 minutes then?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bully
>>>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind
>>>>> don't
>>>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bully
>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>
>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
> BTW: what was that about "You will get healthy knees " ?

The classic formula for cardio is time plus low resistance. Think
running, think spinning a bike at a high cadence in an easy gear, think
swimming a mile. If you take the cadence high enough, even with
_negative_ resistance, your pulse will get right up there. If you don't
believe me, ride a fixed gear bicycle down a steep hill - I've done it,
hit close to 180 rpm, at which point one's legs look more like a sewing
machine than a bicyclist, and you are actually resisting the forward
motion of the pedals - makes no difference, your heart rate will be
through the roof. If you want to give the cardio the real test, keep
the revs at 100 or higher.

For joint health, the classic formula is high repetitions - doing a
particular joint health movement for the number of repetitions that
matches your age in years is often suggested. If you are well fit on a
bicycle and spin a high cadence, you will almost never have knee
problems and you'll have healthy knees. Problems arise mostly from poor
bike fit and pushing too big a gear at too low a cadence.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
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Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
<snip>
> > WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
> > think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the exercise????
>
> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of 90-100
> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with no
> resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and report back
> if you don't believe me.

pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike won't
get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of 10) will
get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
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> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> <snip>
>> > WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>> > think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>> > exercise????
>>
>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>> 90-100
>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with no
>> resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and report
>> back
>> if you don't believe me.
>
> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike won't
> get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of 10) will
> get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...

I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.

-S-
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Steve Freides <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> "Bully" <bully1.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>> <snip>
>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>> exercise????
>>>
>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>> 90-100
>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>> report back
>>> if you don't believe me.
>>
>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>> 10) will get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
>
> I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
> minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.

it gets it up- just not a whole lot... my g/f can also sustain 100rpm for
waaay more than 10 minutes, and i wouldn't really call her a 'cyclist'- she
uses the exercise bike for cardio at the gym, and hasn't even done it for
that long. a high cadence feels unnatural for someone unused to it, but
people adapt REALLY quick. my g/f could do it w/in a week or two on the
exercise bike (w/ resistance)
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> In news:4q2jbsFlblecU1@individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>> <snip>
>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>> exercise????
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>> 90-100
>>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>> report back
>>>> if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>>> 10) will get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
>>
>> I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
>> minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.
>
> it gets it up- just not a whole lot... my g/f can also sustain 100rpm
> for
> waaay more than 10 minutes, and i wouldn't really call her a
> 'cyclist'- she
> uses the exercise bike for cardio at the gym, and hasn't even done it
> for
> that long. a high cadence feels unnatural for someone unused to it,
> but
> people adapt REALLY quick. my g/f could do it w/in a week or two on
> the
> exercise bike (w/ resistance)

Well, y'all are exceptional. I've never seen anyone but me on the
exercise bike at the gym pedaling anything close to 100 rpm, and
everyone I've invited to try hasn't been able to for more than a few
seconds. Part of the reason she may adapt quickly is that exercise bike
crank lengths tend to be shorter, I think, than those on real bikes. I
will have to check on that.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Steve Freides <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "ed" <news_test.TakeThisOut@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
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>> Steve Freides <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't
>>>>>> you think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>>> exercise????
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>>> 90-100
>>>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>>> report back
>>>>> if you don't believe me.
>>>>
>>>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>>>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>>>> 10) will get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
>>>
>>> I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
>>> minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.
>>
>> it gets it up- just not a whole lot... my g/f can also sustain
>> 100rpm for
>> waaay more than 10 minutes, and i wouldn't really call her a
>> 'cyclist'- she
>> uses the exercise bike for cardio at the gym, and hasn't even done it
>> for
>> that long. a high cadence feels unnatural for someone unused to it,
>> but
>> people adapt REALLY quick. my g/f could do it w/in a week or two on
>> the
>> exercise bike (w/ resistance)
>
> Well, y'all are exceptional.

um, no. ;D

> I've never seen anyone but me on the
> exercise bike at the gym pedaling anything close to 100 rpm, and
> everyone I've invited to try hasn't been able to for more than a few
> seconds.

that's because most peoeple are not used to it, and don't try to do it. a
week or two, and they'd be fine.

> Part of the reason she may adapt quickly is that exercise
> bike crank lengths tend to be shorter, I think, than those on real
> bikes. I will have to check on that.

they are shorter.
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Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4pttfuFkacpqU1@individual.net...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>> news:4pt30uFkf93kU1@individual.net...
>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
>>>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>>>> "Markus" <markus4412.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being
>>>>>>>> unfit,
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't
>>>>>>>> drink much
>>>>>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>>>>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> not much.
>>>>>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>>>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip
>>>>>>>> dinner
>>>>>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>>>>>> getting no
>>>>>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like
>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>> a day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>>>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the
>>>>>>>> '2500'
>>>>>>>> calories
>>>>>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>>>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually
>>>>>>>> upping the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about
>>>>>>>> 8km at the
>>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>>>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance
>>>>>>>> machines, doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been
>>>>>>>> gradually upping the weight as I can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower
>>>>>>> resistance - I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting -
>>>>>>> and work on a smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least
>>>>>>> 90 rpm, even 100 rpm or more is good. You will get healthy
>>>>>>> knees and good cardio benefit this way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't
>>>>>> you think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>>> exercise????
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>>> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit,
>>>>> even
>>>>> with no resistance.
>>>>
>>>> So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????
>>>>
>>>>> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>>> report back if you don't believe me.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, 10 minutes then?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bully
>>>>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bully
>>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>>
>> BTW: what was that about "You will get healthy knees " ?
>
> The classic formula for cardio is time plus low resistance.
^^^^^^^^^

What classis formula???

> Think running, think spinning a bike at a high cadence in an easy gear,
> think swimming a mile.

I thnk more along the lines of rowing 2,000m in 7 minutes. Or interval
sprints [lamposts]. Or hill intervals on a bike.

> If you take the cadence high enough, even with
> _negative_ resistance, your pulse will get right up there. If you
> don't believe me, ride a fixed gear bicycle down a steep hill - I've
> done it, hit close to 180 rpm, at which point one's legs look more
> like a sewing machine than a bicyclist, and you are actually
> resisting the forward motion of the pedals - makes no difference,
> your heart rate will be through the roof. If you want to give the
> cardio the real test, keep the revs at 100 or higher.
>
> For joint health, the classic formula is high repetitions - doing a
> particular joint health movement for the number of repetitions that
> matches your age in years is often suggested.

Well, that's a totally new one on me!

> If you are well fit on a bicycle and spin a high cadence, you will almost
> never have knee
> problems and you'll have healthy knees. Problems arise mostly from
> poor bike fit and pushing too big a gear at too low a cadence.

Cite please!

> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss



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Bully
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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Steve Freides wrote:
> "ed" <news_test.DeleteThis@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> news:i6V_g.15293$GR.3642@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> In news:4q2jbsFlblecU1@individual.net,
>> Steve Freides <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> "Bully" <bully1.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't
>>>>>> you think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>>> exercise????
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>>> 90-100
>>>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>>> report back
>>>>> if you don't believe me.
>>>>
>>>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>>>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>>>> 10) will get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
>>>
>>> I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
>>> minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.
>>
>> it gets it up- just not a whole lot... my g/f can also sustain
>> 100rpm for
>> waaay more than 10 minutes, and i wouldn't really call her a
>> 'cyclist'- she
>> uses the exercise bike for cardio at the gym, and hasn't even done it
>> for
>> that long. a high cadence feels unnatural for someone unused to it,
>> but
>> people adapt REALLY quick. my g/f could do it w/in a week or two on
>> the
>> exercise bike (w/ resistance)
>
> Well, y'all are exceptional. I've never seen anyone but me on the
> exercise bike at the gym pedaling anything close to 100 rpm,

Most people who have a PT show them how to use an exercise bike are
instructed to pedal at 80 RPM. So, if you come to any gym I've ever trained
in, you will see most people pedalling at "close to 100 RPM" !!!

> and
> everyone I've invited to try hasn't been able to for more than a few
> seconds. Part of the reason she may adapt quickly is that exercise
> bike crank lengths tend to be shorter, I think, than those on real
> bikes. I will have to check on that.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com



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Bully
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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"Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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-snip-

>> For joint health, the classic formula is high repetitions - doing a
>> particular joint health movement for the number of repetitions that
>> matches your age in years is often suggested.
>
> Well, that's a totally new one on me!
>
>> If you are well fit on a bicycle and spin a high cadence, you will
>> almost never have knee
>> problems and you'll have healthy knees. Problems arise mostly from
>> poor bike fit and pushing too big a gear at too low a cadence.
>
> Cite please!

Pavel's "Super Joints" http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - has numerous
citations, programs, and whatever else you'd like to read on the
subject. Besides, visit a bike newsgroup or web forum and ask.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4q3801Fku7flU1@individual.net...
>
> -snip-
>
>>> For joint health, the classic formula is high repetitions - doing a
>>> particular joint health movement for the number of repetitions that
>>> matches your age in years is often suggested.
>>
>> Well, that's a totally new one on me!
>>
>>> If you are well fit on a bicycle and spin a high cadence, you will
>>> almost never have knee
>>> problems and you'll have healthy knees. Problems arise mostly from
>>> poor bike fit and pushing too big a gear at too low a cadence.
>>
>> Cite please!
>
> Pavel's "Super Joints" http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm - has numerous
> citations, programs, and whatever else you'd like to read on the
> subject.

I was actually looking for something a little more scientific in nature.

> Besides, visit a bike newsgroup or web forum and ask.


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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