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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:41 am
Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:13:53 -0500, JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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>>"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote in message
>>news:j725r15ilco1v78uhl1igbpb4hb4h1vmu1@4ax.com...
>>> DZ <21570.DeleteThis@254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote:
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>>>>JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>>>>> Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about.
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>>>>Can you post the summary here?
>>>
>>> I prefer not to do so. I'll email it if you're interested. I recall
>>> you saying in the past that you weren't interested in a stack that
>>> acted as a stimulant.
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>>I'm interested, and have been thinking about starting SamE this winter with
>>all the rain. Can you email me as well John? Remember, remove the "2"s.
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>Done.
But he will know that if you have emailed him; why do you want the
rest of us to know?
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:40 pm
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JMW wrote:
> "Larry Hodges" <2larry2 RemoveThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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>>"JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote in message
>>news:j725r15ilco1v78uhl1igbpb4hb4h1vmu1@4ax.com...
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>>>DZ <21570 RemoveThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote:
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>>>>JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
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>>>>>Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about.
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>>>>Can you post the summary here?
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>>>I prefer not to do so. I'll email it if you're interested. I recall
>>>you saying in the past that you weren't interested in a stack that
>>>acted as a stimulant.
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>>I'm interested, and have been thinking about starting SamE this winter with
>>all the rain. Can you email me as well John? Remember, remove the "2"s.
Me, too, please. This email address is real. (Yours isn't and you know
how lazy this SamE is making me.)
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:01 pm
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David Cohen wrote:
> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
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>>David Cohen wrote:
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>>>Allow me to add my cheap Jew comment at this point: SAMe is freakin'
>>>expensive!!
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>>But it does have a half-decent and enduring stimulant effect in
>>combination with some other natural substrates and xenobiotics, correct?
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> Yes.
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> And it's freakin' expensive!
My family & neighbors started up a collection to get me on it.
HTH
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:13 pm
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:09:12 -0500, WillBrink
<WillBrink*NOSPAM*@Comcast.net> wrote:
>In article <17633.RemoveThis@134412590.57419254.11577.6155.20901>,
> DZ <9456.RemoveThis@2196910326.230324815.18363.11851.13323.com> wrote:
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>> WillBrink wrote:
>> > JMW <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> WillBrink wrote:
>> >> > DZ wrote:
>> >>>> Can you post the summary here? I know that SAMe needs to be taken
>> >>>> with B vitamins to protect from the increase of
>> >>>> homocysteine. Anything else?
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>> >>>I didn't know SAMe raised homocysteine. Is it not also a methyl
>> >>>donor(?), which in theory, should lower homocysteine.
>> >>>
>> >>> Giulidori P, Galli-Kienle M, Catto E, Stramentinoli G.
>> >>> Transmethylation, transsulfuration, and aminopropylation
>> >>> reactions of S- adenosyl-L-methionine in vivo. J Biol Chem
>> >>> 1984;259:4205-11
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>> >> No elevation of homocysteine in fifteen test subjects at 1600mg/day of
>> >> SAMe.
>> >
>> > As a methyl donor, I would have expected to see a drop in homocysteine
>> > as you do with other methyl donors.
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>> The effect can be opposite if they are a part of the methionine cycle
>> (methionine -> SAMe -> SAH <-> homocysteine -> back to
>> methionine). For example, it would make sense that methionine, which
>> is also a methyl donor, would raise homocysteine. But those methyl
>> donors that speed up re-methylation of homocysteine back to methionine
>> can reduce its concentration.
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>As John pointed out, it does not appear to increase homocysteine. I was
>under the impression it lowered it, but perhaps it has no effects either
>way. Have not looked into it much.
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>> So, I have some vague interest in SAMe but I'm undecided on pros and
>> cons. There is some evidence that methionine reduces lifespan.
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>Are there any SAMe life span studies in animals perhaps?
Why even bother with SamE when you can get far more bang for your buck
with Ketamine:
http://www.health.org/nongovpubs/ketamine/
This is for peoples and animals so it's the way to go folks. ;o)
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:33 pm
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