Strength training causes brain fog, fatigue

In article <e3urk3dj0h0jc485hmp6n6l2firv7ausb1.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Lucas Buck <sbcpark.TakeThisOut@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:47:24 -0600, Omelet <omp_omelet.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0711281423100.19830.TakeThisOut@urchin.earth.li>,
> > Tom Anderson <twic.TakeThisOut@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Joe Rosen wrote:
> >>
> >> > <srk1368.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> > Seriously - not funny or clever.>.
> >> >
> >> > Forgot the name,
> >>
> >> Trepanning. Or trepanation.
> >>
> >> > but it is a treatment for migraines in some places.
> >>
> >> Places which have morons instead of doctors. Permanent trepanation has no
> >> use in modern medicine (temporary trepanation, on the other hand, is
> >> pretty essential for any form of brain surgery).
> >>
> >> tom
> >
> >Trepanation, iirc, has also been used in ancient Tibet to open the third
> >eye and expand Psychic powers according to T. Lobsang Rampa.
>
> Yeah, and all that "power" helped them a lot against the Chinese.

Pacifists should have a well armed, standing army...
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In article <fimnpl$ne3$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> > Sounds fascinating...
>
> Don't I always?

You generally do have unique insights.

>
> > My boss told me a story several years ago about a kid that was in a car
> > wreck with severe head trauma and a fractured skull. They triaged him
> > down and left him in a back room to die. The incident happened about 40
> > years ago according to Mauro.
> >
> > He didn't die.
> >
> > He did have brain swelling and they figured that the cracked skull
> > helped to keep the pressure low enough to prevent brain damage. He met
> > the kid several years later and he was perfectly normal.
> >
> > I wonder if this concept came from other pediatricians that saw similar
> > incidents?
>
> Or from neurosurgeons who did exploratory craniectomies on severe head
> injury patients and the patients' brains swelled right out of their skulls
> so they left the bone flap off 'cause they couldn't get it back on and the
> patients did better?

Could be! Kinda like finding out that bloody taps with spinal tap
patients had fewer headaches, hence the "blood block" they now use for
that.

>
> > It makes sense if Dexamethazone won't do the trick.
>
> Corticosteroids aren't used anymore for cerebral edema or hemorrhage.
>
> David

They do in veterinary medicine... but no longer for humans.
It works pretty well in most animals with head trauma but it's certainly
not 100%. It's generally used in an attempt to prevent it, not treat it.

How many humans get hit by cars compared to wild critters, or pets with
careless companion humans?

It's still used a LOT in wildlife rescue.
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In article <fimnta$nni$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Corticosteroids aren't used anymore for cerebral edema or hemorrhage.
>
> Oh, I almost forgot: I could be wrong, so, you better check with Joe Rosen
> and get his opinion.
>
> David

Right.

Please forgive me, but I've found that mainstream vet medicine has a lot
in common with human medicine, especially when it comes to critters
worth 100K or more.

The only thing that human medicine seems to really lag behind in is
nutritional therapy.

Unless of course you are a specialist in sports nutrition.
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In article <fimnvp$oco$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Corticosteroids aren't used anymore for cerebral edema or hemorrhage.
> >
> > Oh, I almost forgot: I could be wrong, so, you better check with Joe Rosen
> > and get his opinion.
>
> Of course, that's if you can get him to stop licking Curt's balls long
> enough to answer.
>
> David

<snicker>
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Sounds fascinating...
>>
>> Don't I always?
>
> You generally do have unique insights.
>
>> > My boss told me a story several years ago about a kid that was in a car
>> > wreck with severe head trauma and a fractured skull. They triaged him
>> > down and left him in a back room to die. The incident happened about 40
>> > years ago according to Mauro.
>> >
>> > He didn't die.
>> >
>> > He did have brain swelling and they figured that the cracked skull
>> > helped to keep the pressure low enough to prevent brain damage. He met
>> > the kid several years later and he was perfectly normal.
>> >
>> > I wonder if this concept came from other pediatricians that saw similar
>> > incidents?
>>
>> Or from neurosurgeons who did exploratory craniectomies on severe head
>> injury patients and the patients' brains swelled right out of their
>> skulls
>> so they left the bone flap off 'cause they couldn't get it back on and
>> the
>> patients did better?
>
> Could be! Kinda like finding out that bloody taps with spinal tap
> patients had fewer headaches, hence the "blood block" they now use for
> that.
>
>> > It makes sense if Dexamethazone won't do the trick.
>>
>> Corticosteroids aren't used anymore for cerebral edema or hemorrhage.
>
> They do in veterinary medicine... but no longer for humans.
> It works pretty well in most animals with head trauma but it's certainly
> not 100%. It's generally used in an attempt to prevent it, not treat it.

Treatment modalities are often first tested on animals, and used on animals,
but, when superior, and much more expensive, treatments, are developed,
humans get the more expensive treatment, and the animals continue getting
the cheap ones.

Corticosteroids are cheap, so will continue to be used in veterinary
medicine.

The ICU protocols for human head trauma...well, if you're Bill Gates' dog,
maybe, otherwise, fuggetaboutit.

> How many humans get hit by cars compared to wild critters, or pets with
> careless companion humans?
>
> It's still used a LOT in wildlife rescue.

Wildlife rescuers don't usually have tens of thousands to hundreds of
thousands of dollars to spend on a car whacked deer.

Hmmm...venison

David
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In article <fin550$l8b$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > Sounds fascinating...
> >>
> >> Don't I always?
> >
> > You generally do have unique insights.
> >
> >> > My boss told me a story several years ago about a kid that was in a car
> >> > wreck with severe head trauma and a fractured skull. They triaged him
> >> > down and left him in a back room to die. The incident happened about 40
> >> > years ago according to Mauro.
> >> >
> >> > He didn't die.
> >> >
> >> > He did have brain swelling and they figured that the cracked skull
> >> > helped to keep the pressure low enough to prevent brain damage. He met
> >> > the kid several years later and he was perfectly normal.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if this concept came from other pediatricians that saw similar
> >> > incidents?
> >>
> >> Or from neurosurgeons who did exploratory craniectomies on severe head
> >> injury patients and the patients' brains swelled right out of their
> >> skulls
> >> so they left the bone flap off 'cause they couldn't get it back on and
> >> the
> >> patients did better?
> >
> > Could be! Kinda like finding out that bloody taps with spinal tap
> > patients had fewer headaches, hence the "blood block" they now use for
> > that.
> >
> >> > It makes sense if Dexamethazone won't do the trick.
> >>
> >> Corticosteroids aren't used anymore for cerebral edema or hemorrhage.
> >
> > They do in veterinary medicine... but no longer for humans.
> > It works pretty well in most animals with head trauma but it's certainly
> > not 100%. It's generally used in an attempt to prevent it, not treat it.
>
> Treatment modalities are often first tested on animals, and used on animals,
> but, when superior, and much more expensive, treatments, are developed,
> humans get the more expensive treatment, and the animals continue getting
> the cheap ones.
>
> Corticosteroids are cheap, so will continue to be used in veterinary
> medicine.
>
> The ICU protocols for human head trauma...well, if you're Bill Gates' dog,
> maybe, otherwise, fuggetaboutit.

True dat.
That's why that poor little abandoned teacup poodle is still blind.
<sigh> But, it's amazing how well they adapt.

It still pisses me off that some scumbag just dumped her in the street
like that.

>
> > How many humans get hit by cars compared to wild critters, or pets with
> > careless companion humans?
> >
> > It's still used a LOT in wildlife rescue.
>
> Wildlife rescuers don't usually have tens of thousands to hundreds of
> thousands of dollars to spend on a car whacked deer.
>
> Hmmm...venison
>
> David

<lol>

Good source of low fat protein!
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