Gloves and Bench Pressing

On Aug 31, 10:43 am, Omelet <omp_ome....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Curt <curtja....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 31, 2:30 am, Jason <jwcarl....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [...]
>
> > > My biceps were always football shaped (no peak), and I had always read
> > > that this was genetic and that there's nothing you can do about it.
> > > But, I've noticed over the last several months that my RIGHT arm (good
> > > hand) is football shaped, while my LEFT arm (bad hand) has developed a
> > > peak.
[...]
> > <snip> I'm wondering if it might not be atrophy. You mentioned your
> > forearm has lost muscle as a result of the accident. I'm curious if
> > your biceps is reacting in a similar fashion. What's in there? And how
> > does your grip change the impact of exercise upon arm? <snip>
>
> Remember, with ANY lifting exercise, when you change any grip, angle of
> lift, etc., you will most likely be recruiting a different bunch of
> muscle fibers, even if it is using the same muscle or muscle groups.
>
> Hence the entire concept of Target training.

I'm inclined to believe that Target training is BS. Although I
remember reading about pointing your toes in, middle, and out (nothing
to do with Senator Craig, btw) while doing calf raises as well as
squats to hit different parts of the muscle. I doubt it has any impact
at all on the appearance of your muscles.

Likewise the "Holding the EZ curl bar and, more likely, dumbbells
without the last 2 fingers is changing the focus of the curl" as
suggested by Jason. I mean other than the impact of biceps brachii
versus brachialis during a specific exercise, but that's dependent on
regular curls versus EZ or Hammer curls more than how many fingers
you're using, imo.

Where's Schuh? Where's the kinieisiieieiesiesieologist big brains?
Where's my PubMeddler pal?

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In article <1188578446.639122.184530 RemoveThis @22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hence the entire concept of Target training.
>
> I'm inclined to believe that Target training is BS.

Why?

I personally feel that where you "feel" the exercise in the muscle,
it's doing some good.

I pay very close attention to that sort of thing.
Where I feel the squeeze if you will.

It changes based on position.
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On Aug 31, 10:02 am, Omelet <omp_ome....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Curt <curtja....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I say all that to say this, I wouldn't have known about the option if
> > I hadn't stumbled across that brochure.
>
> Hm. I suffer from periodic acne. I'll have to look at that stuff too.

Accutane is not for the mild case, however. Potential for liver
damage as well as severe birth defects in children of women who are
taking the drug. In fact, pregnant women or women considering becoming
pregnant are forbidden taking the drug, iirc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotretinoin

> > Perhaps Om's advice would be your miracle, Jason. I hope you
> > see the ortho and they have some positive news for you. Although
> > it sounds as if you're doing quite well.
>
> I hope it helps him too. The past few years have shown a lot of progress
> in microsurgical techniques, but a lot would depend on cost and
> affordability...
>
> (I've already read the rest of the thread).

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> Perhaps. I'm wondering if it might not be atrophy. You mentioned your
> forearm has lost muscle as a result of the accident. I'm curious if
> your biceps is reacting in a similar fashion. What's in there? And how
> does your grip change the impact of exercise upon arm?
>
> Interesting about the medical journal and the numbness, too.

The missus and I started talking about this last night, and she
brought up a good point. When my forearms are relaxed, they look the
same, it's only when I flex and pull my hands inward (toward the pinky
side) that the one looks smaller. So, it might not be atrophy as much
as an inability to squeeze my hand and flex quite the same.

Regarding the peak, though, I have a thought. My arm routine usually
consists of an 8/6/4 pyramid with the ez curl bar, followed by
rotating dumbbell curls, followed by concentration curls or hammer
curls (I alternate every other workout period). I think that this
change is coming from the rotating dumbbell curl.

Try a few reps with low weight, keeping your ring and pinky extended,
and you'll see what I mean. I'm squeezing the bar harder with the
index and middle finger just to keep a solid grip, and it sort of
becomes a peak contraction without meaning for it to be.
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> Would it be possible to duplicate the same lifting technique in the
> other arm?

I'll know in a few months. I mentioned a relatively minor shoulder
pain a few posts ago, and curls were aggravating it so I've laid off
of them for a few weeks. I just re-added them to my routine this week
with no pain, so I intend to try the same technique on my right arm
and see what happens.

My arms grow slow, though, so it will be awhile before I know
anything.

- Jason
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In article <1188618423.847967.158750.TakeThisOut@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Jason <jwcarlton.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Would it be possible to duplicate the same lifting technique in the
> > other arm?
>
> I'll know in a few months. I mentioned a relatively minor shoulder
> pain a few posts ago, and curls were aggravating it so I've laid off
> of them for a few weeks. I just re-added them to my routine this week
> with no pain, so I intend to try the same technique on my right arm
> and see what happens.
>
> My arms grow slow, though, so it will be awhile before I know
> anything.
>
> - Jason

I understand.

It would be a cool thing tho'.
Do take pics if you can?
Maybe one of the BB rags would pay you for a write up on it.

Lack of bicep peak appears to be a common gripe and is routinely blamed
on genetics.

If you could prove otherwise...
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Hobbes wrote:
> In article <1188505229.833424.257630.TakeThisOut@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Curt <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Hobbes <khobman....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.
>> Keith, I posted a URL to a plastic surgeon's office elsewhere in this
>> thread. The text offers the following,
>>
>> "Initially, surgery is performed to correct an injury and is coupled
>> with the replacement or reconstruction of skin, muscle or other tissue
>> that will help restore a degree of feeling and movement to the hands.
>> There are three main techniques used for this case:
>>
>> Grafting: the transfer of bone, nerves, skin or tissue from a healthy
>> area of the body to the injured area" From:
>> http://www.lipsg.com/hand_reconstruction.htm
>>
>> Nerve tissue cannot regenerate, but aren't they saying that nerves can
>> be grafted above? Dunno. /
>>
>> --
>> Curt
>>
>
> I don't think you can graft nerves, although they are saying that above.
> If you severe the nerve you can't get it back. Having said that, science
> is really making strides in this area.
>
> I'm hoping they learn to regenerate nerves as my hearing is very poor.
>
> :^)
>

Peripheral nerve axons can 'regenerate'.

Ari

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Omelet wrote:
> In article <1188530893.651999.45420.RemoveThis@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Jason <jwcarlton.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Have you considered seeing if you can get it restructured?
>>> How many years ago was this?
>> My mistake, guys. It happened in '98, not '93. I graduated high school
>> in '93, and this happened 2 days before the 5-year reunion (5 days
>> before my birthday). Sorry, I got the years mixed up.
>>
>>
>>> I recall looking at an Ortho' surgeon's catalogue I found in the trash a
>>> few years ago and there are joint REPLACEMENTS for finger bones.
>>>
>>> Maybe it'd help?
>>>
>>> Find a really good Ortho' surgeon.
>> At the time, I did look into a replacement, but all they offered was a
>> porcelain replacement. I was advised against it at the time because
>> (they said) that they were prone to breaking with someone as active as
>> me. It's more likely, though, that they said this because my insurance
>> wouldn't cover it.
>>
>> That was a long time ago, though. I've gotten kind of used to the
>> "handicap" now, but I might look into it again. I can't say that I'd
>> be looking forward to the recovery and therapy again, but still, it's
>> worth looking in to. Thanks, Om.
>
> Good luck Jason.
> I think there are metal replacements now?
>
> http://www.jointreplacement.com/xq/ASP.default/mn.local/pg.list/joint_id.
> 4/list_id.55/joint_nm.Finger/local_id.30/qx/default.htm
>
> Nope. Looks like they are silicon.
>
> Any surgery carries risks tho'.
> You may end up better, you may end up worse.
> I wonder what the risk percentage is.

Yeah, for knuckles they whack in a silicon knuckle, inserting the ends
of the joint replacement into the hollowed out phalange and metacarpal
shafts. Quite common in rheumatoid arthritis treatment.

Ari

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In article <fbaldr$2hoi$2@otis.netspace.net.au>,
spodosaurus <spodosaurus.DeleteThis@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> > Good luck Jason.
> > I think there are metal replacements now?
> >
> > http://www.jointreplacement.com/xq/ASP.default/mn.local/pg.list/joint_id.
> > 4/list_id.55/joint_nm.Finger/local_id.30/qx/default.htm
> >
> > Nope. Looks like they are silicon.
> >
> > Any surgery carries risks tho'.
> > You may end up better, you may end up worse.
> > I wonder what the risk percentage is.
>
> Yeah, for knuckles they whack in a silicon knuckle, inserting the ends
> of the joint replacement into the hollowed out phalange and metacarpal
> shafts. Quite common in rheumatoid arthritis treatment.
>
> Ari

I've seen fingers that resulted from Rheumatoid arthritis. I can see
them needing their hands re-built with knuckle replacements.

The one that sticks in my mind was back when I was in school. The
disease had eaten all his finger joints away and his knuckles looked
like accordions. All wrinkled and shortened.

He was in the hospital for Methadone withdrawal. He was pissed because
the doc had used it for pain treatment for him and he did not know it
was addicting.

But his hands looked like something out of a horror film. Poor dude!
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In article <1188681415.144267.131070 RemoveThis @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> > But his hands looked like something out of a horror film. Poor dude!
>
> What was the name of that disease? Paget's!

No Curt...

Plain old fashioned Rheumatoid Arthritis.
That was his Dx anyhoo.

Ok, I did a brief google to look for jpegs but I'm too tired right now
to expend any serious time on it. I've been awake for close to 21 hours
at the moment.

You are good at Googling.

It's not pleasant so don't eat before looking on the odd chance you get
to see a really good pic.

It's an auto-immune disease. Your own body eats joint/connective tissue.
Auto-immune diseases are ugly.

Think Dr. Stephen Hawking.
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> No PubMeddish reason. Just a gut feeling. I mean, how many people do
> you know who can say, "Oh, yeah, I pointed my toes in and WOW couldn't
> believe the difference it made in my calves." Maybe I'm
> misunderstanding what you're suggesting or talking about.

Here's a similar example. I had a treadmill that I use twice a week,
and always walk barefoot. The missus uses the treadmill every other
day, but always wear shoes. We both walk for 20 minutes.

A week or so ago, she decided to walk barefoot like I do. Don't know
why, but my guess was that the shoes were upstairs and she was too
lazy to go get them.

After about 10 minutes, she had to stop, claiming that her calves were
just BURNING! For 3 days after, she talked about how her calf muscles
were sore, and she felt like she had a real workout for the first
time. From now on, she's planning to walk barefoot.

I don't think that this was a placebo effect, considering that neither
of us expected it to be different. I thought that her skin might be
sore, but it didn't cross our minds to think that there would be a
muscular difference.

Just a thought,

Jason
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On Aug 31, 12:57 pm, Omelet <omp_ome... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Curt <curtja... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hence the entire concept of Target training.
>
> > I'm inclined to believe that Target training is BS.
>
> Why?

No PubMeddish reason. Just a gut feeling. I mean, how many people do
you know who can say, "Oh, yeah, I pointed my toes in and WOW couldn't
believe the difference it made in my calves." Maybe I'm
misunderstanding what you're suggesting or talking about.

> I personally feel that where you "feel" the exercise in the muscle,
> it's doing some good.

Okay, but do you "feel" a difference or is it some psychological thang
going on?

You think it's working and so...

> I pay very close attention to that sort of thing.
> Where I feel the squeeze if you will.
>
> It changes based on position.

Examples?

Hmmm...

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On Sep 1, 10:23 am, Omelet <omp_ome....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason <jwcarl....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Would it be possible to duplicate the same lifting technique in the
> > > other arm?
>
> > I'll know in a few months. I mentioned a relatively minor shoulder
> > pain a few posts ago, and curls were aggravating it so I've laid off
> > of them for a few weeks. I just re-added them to my routine this week
> > with no pain, so I intend to try the same technique on my right arm
> > and see what happens.
>
> > My arms grow slow, though, so it will be awhile before I know
> > anything.

>
> I understand.
>
> It would be a cool thing tho'.
> Do take pics if you can?
> Maybe one of the BB rags would pay you for a write up on it.
>
> Lack of bicep peak appears to be a common gripe and is routinely blamed
> on genetics.
>
> If you could prove otherwise...

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