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Jason Earl wrote:
> Curt writes:
> > Jason Earl wrote:
> > [...]
>
> >> <snip> how few calories 30 minutes of low intensity cardio burns.
> >> It is likewise a pitiful number.
>
> >> <snip> I *disagree* that standard low level cardio is the answer
> >> to weight loss, as it also tends to be ridiculously ineffectual. <snip>
>
> > <snip> I ran on the cross country team for four years. An enjoyable
> > activity, but one that amounted to "low intensity cardio" for the most part -
> > definitely not sprints. If not effective at weight loss, it
> > absolutely seemed effective at preventing weight gain. <snip>
>
> The laws of physics still apply. Cross country may be "low intensity
> cardio" but it is still a fat pile of work. You have to eat quite a
> bit to make up for the deficit of running 20+ miles a week.

Hmm. Yesterday, iirc, I did about 30 minutes on a Life Fitness
treadmill at about "3" speed and that covered about 1.5 miles.

(reaches for calculator)

That'd only be 10.5 miles a week if I did the same thing ever day of
that week. If I did an hour, however, you'd have your "20+ miles a
week." Well, if you call 21 miles 20+, of course. Actually, the 1.5
was done at "3" for about 20 minutes with a 5-minute cooldown of about
"2". And it was about 27 minutes, again, iirc - which I probably
don't. ANYWAY!

> Most people that take up "jogging" as exercise don't run anywhere near
> that far, especially if they are overweight. So these people waddle a
> mile or maybe two three times a week and they wonder why they aren't
> losing weight.

I agree with that. I also recognize the fact (okay, what I remember
reading might be fact) that the body loves its status quo. If you're
fat then your body embraces the fat. If you're skinny then your body
looooooves the skinny.

> I know, I did the same *@#!! thing.

heh )

But, fortunately, you found something that works and that you enjoy.
Huzzah! And that's what it's all about.

> I don't like cardio much, but I'm sure it does work, assuming you do
> enough of it. The problem is that it simply isn't very time efficient
> and it's boring as can be.

Depends on how easily boredom overtakes you or anyone. People are
always around who strike up conversations, many gyms provide magazines
to browse, I read a few pages from Lee Child's 'Echo Burning'. And
there's people watching, of course. One gym patron almost fell over as
they exited the aerobic death trap in front of the Life Cycle I was
using. The woman one machine over asked if he was okay, but the man
was either too embarrassed to reply or was wearing something iPod- or
mp3-related which blocked out her offer of concern. The woman shrugged
and went on to say that she'd fallen off a machine, too.

Hmmm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/treadmill.gif

Boring? I don't think so.

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Tom Anderson wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > Tom Anderson wrote:
> >> Pete wrote:
> >>> "Tom Nowalsky" schreef:
>
> >>>> It would be a big help if people could point me to some information
> >>>> on the basic weightlifting exercises, proper form, number of reps,
> >>>> frequency of workout, etc.
>
> >>> Thats difficult.
>
> >> No, it's easy.
>
> > No, Tom, it's difficult. <snip>
>
> > Why's it so difficult? The starving wolves, rabidly insane monkeys,
> > and IEDs that are involved, of course.
>
> I forgot about that. Also, Dr Dre - forgot about Dre!

"I AIN'T HAVIN THAT!"

Yes, MFW is home to many of my heroes. You're one of 'em, Tom.

Btw, wonder if urologists are big fans of the good doctor. Never
mind.

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Tom Anderson wrote:
> Curt wrote:

re Dr. Dre

> > Btw, wonder if urologists are big fans of the good doctor.
>
> More Dr Octagon fans, i'd think.
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I scribbled:
> Tom Anderson wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
>
> re Dr. Dre
>
> > > Btw, wonder if urologists are big fans of the good doctor.
>
> > More Dr Octagon fans, i'd think.

Tom Anderson, I read your post. I Googled. I pondered even. I snipped
and added the 're' in place of snipped text and then...

I posted an empty reply. D'OH!

Which is to say 'i got nuthin'!'

Well, otoh, like I said, i *DID* Google:

http://www.thereturnofdroctagon.com/

(Is it the glove?)

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ed wrote:
> Curt wrote:
[...]

> > <snip> I ran on the cross country team for four years. An
> > enjoyable activity, but one that amounted to "low intensity
> > cardio" for the most part - definitely not sprints. <snip> so...
>
> you may have thought it was 'low intensity' at the time, but you were
> (or at least should have been, if you were trying to be competetive)

Coach, is that you?

> running waaayy harder than most people do when they go out for a jog,
> even on your slow days. couple that with intervals, hills, etc that
> you were likely doing in practices, and the actual races...

Hmmm.

My cousins had a pool. One time I stopped at their house and had an
ice water while watching some TV. That was pretty much as intense as
it got. Yeah, pretty much.

We had a 2.8-mile course and my best time was, like, 18:57. I think 15
minutes is pretty good. And I think it was 'low intensity' is a pretty
accurate description of my cross country career. There was a 10-miler
that I completed in 72 minutes followed by an 80-minute clocking the
following year. I just ran. There was no "waaayy harder" interval-
hills-etc schtufff going on. There was joking around, running the back
roads of Lancaster County, drinking Gatorade, and enjoying time with
my friends. Isn't that what sport is all about?

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Curt wrote:

> Tom Anderson wrote:
>> Pete wrote:
>>> "Tom Nowalsky" schreef:
>>>
>>>> It would be a big help if people could point me to some information
>>>> on the basic weightlifting exercises, proper form, number of reps,
>>>> frequency of workout, etc.
>>
>>> Thats difficult.
>>
>> No, it's easy.
>
> No, Tom, it's difficult. More on that in a moment.
>
>> So why's it difficult?
>
> Why's it so difficult? The starving wolves, rabidly insane monkeys,
> and IEDs that are involved, of course.

I forgot about that. Also, Dr Dre - forgot about Dre!

tom

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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Curt wrote:

> Tom Anderson wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>>> Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>> Pete wrote:
>>>>> "Tom Nowalsky" schreef:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be a big help if people could point me to some information
>>>>>> on the basic weightlifting exercises, proper form, number of reps,
>>>>>> frequency of workout, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thats difficult.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's easy.
>>>
>>> No, Tom, it's difficult. <snip>
>>>
>>> Why's it so difficult? The starving wolves, rabidly insane monkeys,
>>> and IEDs that are involved, of course.
>>
>> I forgot about that. Also, Dr Dre - forgot about Dre!
>
> Btw, wonder if urologists are big fans of the good doctor.

More Dr Octagon fans, i'd think.

> Never mind.

Oh, okay.

tom

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On Jun 20, 5:14 pm, Curt <curtja....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jason Earl wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > <snip> how few calories 30 minutes of low intensity cardio burns.
> > It is likewise a pitiful number.
>
> > <snip> I *disagree* that standard low level cardio is the answer
> > to weight loss, as it also tends to be ridiculously ineffectual. <snip>
>
> You'll have to smack me withe PubMed stick on that assertion. Certain
> people gain fat more easily than others. It seems obvious that certain
> people also lose fat easier than others. I ran on the cross country
> team for four years. An enjoyable activity, but one that amounted to
> "low intensity cardio" for the most part - definitely not sprints. If
> not effective at weight loss, it absolutely seemed effective at
> preventing weight gain. Otoh, that could've been youthful metabolism.
> I was 150 to 155 then and am 175 now, so...

you may have thought it was 'low intensity' at the time, but you were
(or at least should have been, if you were trying to be competetive)
running waaayy harder than most people do when they go out for a jog,
even on your slow days. couple that with intervals, hills, etc that
you were likely doing in practices, and the actual races...
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Curt wrote:

> I scribbled:
>> Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> Curt wrote:
>>
>> re Dr. Dre
>>
>>>> Btw, wonder if urologists are big fans of the good doctor.
>>
>>> More Dr Octagon fans, i'd think.
>
> Tom Anderson, I read your post. I Googled. I pondered even. I snipped
> and added the 're' in place of snipped text and then...
>
> I posted an empty reply. D'OH!
>
> Which is to say 'i got nuthin'!'
>
> Well, otoh, like I said, i *DID* Google:
>
> http://www.thereturnofdroctagon.com/
>
> (Is it the glove?)

Uh, a quick listen to (or perusal of the lyrics of) the skits on the
'Dr Octagonecologyst' album should give you the answer ...

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > I scribbled:
> >> Tom Anderson wrote:
> >>> Curt wrote:
>
> >> re Dr. Dre
>
> >>>> Btw, wonder if urologists are big fans of the good doctor.
>
> >>> More Dr Octagon fans, i'd think.
>
> > Tom Anderson, <snip> 'i got nuthin'!'
[...]

> Uh, a quick listen to (or perusal of the lyrics of) the skits on the
> 'Dr Octagonecologyst' album should give you the answer ...

Rectal rebuilding? "You can call 1-800PP51-DooDoo." From 'I Got To
Tell You (A Visit To The Doctor)'.

And "You have bees flying around your rectum
You need a bad operation
Gimme the scissors
Hammer
Flame" From 'General Hospital'.

Zoinks!

See also: http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/dr_octagon/

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>There was no "waaayy harder" interval-
> hills-etc schtufff going on. There was joking around, running the back
> roads of Lancaster County, drinking Gatorade, and enjoying time with
> my friends. Isn't that what sport is all about?

In my mis-spent youth my buddies and I has this pattern for summers:
Every other day, we'd ride to the beach in the morning, swim, body-surf
and ogle women for six hours or so before riding home late afternoons.
Stop off for Gatorade about halfway home.

The ride was twenty miles each way and a few hours of fighting the ocean
was pretty much just what we needed. Head home, grill up meat, act
like the idiots we were.

In retrospect, it's probably the best shape I'd been in.


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Steve the Geek wrote:
(I scribbled)
> > There was no "waaayy harder" interval-hills-etc schtufff going on.
> > There was joking around, running the back roads of Lancaster
> > County, drinking Gatorade, and enjoying time with my friends.
> > Isn't that what sport is all about?
>
> In my mis-spent youth my buddies and I has this pattern for summers:
> Every other day, we'd ride to the beach in the morning, swim, body-surf
> and ogle women for six hours or so before riding home late afternoons.
> Stop off for Gatorade about halfway home.

Gatorade: It's what memories are made of!

Or something like that.

I missed this post. Great read, if you're still around. Uh, actually,
it's a great read even if he's not still around.

> The ride was twenty miles each way and a few hours of fighting the ocean
> was pretty much just what we needed. Head home, grill up meat, act
> like the idiots we were.
>
> In retrospect, it's probably the best shape I'd been in.

Exactly how summer's are meant to be, imo.

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On Jun 19, 4:40 am, Tom Nowalsky <tomnowal....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everybody:
>
> I am looking for some friendly advice for an absolute beginner who is
> interested in beginning strength training.
>
> First of all, I am 35 years old, male, moderately overweight, and I
> have never lifted weights in my life. I occasionally play non-
> stressful sports like volleyball and basketball, but would not
> consider myself in even "average" shape. I am way below-average, and
> get winded climbing a flight of stairs.
>
> For my goals, I guess I would like to lose a lot of weight, but most
> importantly, I would like to improve my health, which is currently
> suffering from my overweight condition. If I could improve my health,
> looks would be a secondary consideration.
>
> I am hoping to find a convenient, fun, challenging form of exercise
> that I can hopefully keep up long-term. As a personal note, I tend to
> have a hard time picking up habits, but once I form them I tend to
> stick with them. I am hoping to make physical fitness a long-term
> habit.
>
> If anyone has any kind of tips for a total beginner who is serious
> about improving his health, I would really appreciate hearing from
> you. Thanks in advance!

I would personally recommend a 3 day routine similar to the one on my
blog (http://workin-out.blogspot.com/). If your goal is to get in
shape you just need to remember to stick with your workout. That is
the hardest part i think, a few good ways to stick with your work out
are to make it fun, vary it from your last work out and have as much
knowledge as possible. I would browse around online for info on weight
lifting for people your age and see what you cant dig up. I have some
good links in my blog that may help you, he more knowledge you have
the better. I first started weightlifting 3 years ago when i got into
martial arts, since then I consider myself to be in good shape, even
tough I occasionally sip a work out for a week. The thing you should
consider starting slow and making sure to do not hurt yourself, and
make working out painfull, if you make it pain full you will not want
to go back to the gym.


Good Luck
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