Kettle ball dumbbell substitute?

"Steve Freides" <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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When I'm ready to start
> posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that time,
> I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look like I work
> out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out like you do. To
> each his own, and may you live long and prosper.

Now that last part was just cruel.

Steve, to quote the immortal Pusbag,

You have nothing to prove to an
unemployed, social security
disability receiving, soul-less,
white, Miles Davis jerking-off-to,
sickly, withered, aged-beyond-his-years,
diseased, stomach bleeding,
hypertensive, shriveled,
scarred, limp-dicked, Tribex using,
balding, Vulcan earred, Donny Osmond-looking,
fanny pack wearing, Weird Al Yankovic photo
posing, drug-addict,
multiple convicted felon, drug
couriering Torbjorn Akerfeldt Stooge,
pathetic-desperate-prescription-forging,
Valium-quaffing-sleeping-all-day,
Mike Massey bitch slapped, Nicole
Bass spanked, near death loser.

--
PB
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"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.DeleteThis@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
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> Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> news:5887cuF2fhva4U1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:khobman800-63128A.16040812042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>> In article <587mdcF2g90koU1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:khobman800-7D1C9A.14324312042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>> > In article <1176407828.949570.103770.DeleteThis@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> > "whitedogshitman" <validatpart.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
>>>> >> swinging technique?
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue. The
>>>> > kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs easier.
>>>> > The
>>>> > center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of
>>>> > rotation
>>>> > too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue
>>>> > that
>>>> > the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other movements,
>>>> > so
>>>> > you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.
>>>> >
>>>> > Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over
>>>> > dumbbells.
>>>> > They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well in
>>>> > others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
>>>> > investment. But they aren't necessary at all.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly disagree. Swing a kettlebell, then swing a dumbbell. Very
>>>> different experiences. More to the point, swing each then see which
>>>> you'd
>>>> rather do if you had to pick. I don't know many who would pick the
>>>> dumbbell
>>>> over the kettlebell for swings.
>>>
>>> I've swung both. I prefer a kettlebell for swings,
>>
>> You can stop right there - me, too, and that'll do it for me.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>
>>
>
> Steve,
> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the mirror and
> then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think it has been a
> success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV who make you look like
> Olive Oil. You don't even look like you work out. I realize that we all
> have different goals, but doesn't looking good mean anything to you?

Very well said Rob. Steve does a magnificent stretch - so if you want to
look like a rubber band, his advice is worthwhile. Meantime I would say
Hobbes has slightly more credibility.

>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>
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"ATP*" <waxwingslain DeleteThis @azurepane.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> news:589fc9F2fmjnrU1@mid.individual.net...
> When I'm ready to start
>> posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that
>> time, I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look
>> like I work out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out
>> like you do. To each his own, and may you live long and prosper.
>
> Now that last part was just cruel.
>
> Steve, to quote the immortal Pusbag,
>
> You have nothing to prove to an
> unemployed, social security
> disability receiving, soul-less,
> white, Miles Davis jerking-off-to,
> sickly, withered, aged-beyond-his-years,
> diseased, stomach bleeding,
> hypertensive, shriveled,
> scarred, limp-dicked, Tribex using,
> balding, Vulcan earred, Donny Osmond-looking,
> fanny pack wearing, Weird Al Yankovic photo
> posing, drug-addict,
> multiple convicted felon, drug
> couriering Torbjorn Akerfeldt Stooge,
> pathetic-desperate-prescription-forging,
> Valium-quaffing-sleeping-all-day,
> Mike Massey bitch slapped, Nicole
> Bass spanked, near death loser.

Say it ain't so! Even one of those things being true would be pretty
awful (although I have to admit I don't even understand all of them - I
had to Google "tribex."

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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"Steve Freides" <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> "ATP*" <waxwingslain.RemoveThis@azurepane.com> wrote in message
> news:rdTTh.30$3z5.0@newsfe12.lga...
>>
>> "Steve Freides" <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:589fc9F2fmjnrU1@mid.individual.net...
>> When I'm ready to start
>>> posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that
>>> time, I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look like
>>> I work out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out like
>>> you do. To each his own, and may you live long and prosper.
>>
>> Now that last part was just cruel.
>>
>> Steve, to quote the immortal Pusbag,
>>
>> You have nothing to prove to an
>> unemployed, social security
>> disability receiving, soul-less,
>> white, Miles Davis jerking-off-to,
>> sickly, withered, aged-beyond-his-years,
>> diseased, stomach bleeding,
>> hypertensive, shriveled,
>> scarred, limp-dicked, Tribex using,
>> balding, Vulcan earred, Donny Osmond-looking,
>> fanny pack wearing, Weird Al Yankovic photo
>> posing, drug-addict,
>> multiple convicted felon, drug
>> couriering Torbjorn Akerfeldt Stooge,
>> pathetic-desperate-prescription-forging,
>> Valium-quaffing-sleeping-all-day,
>> Mike Massey bitch slapped, Nicole
>> Bass spanked, near death loser.
>
> Say it ain't so! Even one of those things being true would be pretty
> awful (although I have to admit I don't even understand all of them - I
> had to Google "tribex."
>
I don't believe he was actually spanked by Nicole Bass. Most of the others
are from Rob's own posts. The rest are opinion or just comedy based on stuff
in mfw over the years.
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"Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> "Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.DeleteThis@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
> news:frGTh.132344$ZA5.33129@newsfe15.phx...
>> Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:5887cuF2fhva4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:khobman800-63128A.16040812042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>> In article <587mdcF2g90koU1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:khobman800-7D1C9A.14324312042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>>> > In article <1176407828.949570.103770.DeleteThis@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> > "whitedogshitman" <validatpart.DeleteThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
>>>>> >> swinging technique?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue.
>>>>> > The
>>>>> > kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs easier.
>>>>> > The
>>>>> > center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of
>>>>> > rotation
>>>>> > too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue
>>>>> > that
>>>>> > the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other
>>>>> > movements, so
>>>>> > you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over
>>>>> > dumbbells.
>>>>> > They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well in
>>>>> > others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
>>>>> > investment. But they aren't necessary at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly disagree. Swing a kettlebell, then swing a dumbbell. Very
>>>>> different experiences. More to the point, swing each then see which
>>>>> you'd
>>>>> rather do if you had to pick. I don't know many who would pick the
>>>>> dumbbell
>>>>> over the kettlebell for swings.
>>>>
>>>> I've swung both. I prefer a kettlebell for swings,
>>>
>>> You can stop right there - me, too, and that'll do it for me.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Steve,
>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the mirror and
>> then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think it has been a
>> success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV who make you look like
>> Olive Oil. You don't even look like you work out. I realize that we all
>> have different goals, but doesn't looking good mean anything to you?
>
> Rob,
> I am being 100% serious here. Looking good means very little to me but
> more to the point, looking good as you define is something I don't want -
> never have, never will. I'll tell you a story.

You never will because you never can.

>
> Two days ago, I met the new director at my local Y, where I do a little
> workout once a week before my stint as a volunteer swimming teacher on
> Wednesday afternoons. She looked at me and you could tell she didn't
> think I was anything special in terms of my appearance. Then one of the
> trainers who'd been there a while and knew me looked at her and asked if
> she's seen me work out. Before she got there I'd done 10 strict
> bodyweight pullups and a some alternating pistols. (Before I got to the
> Y, I'd done a few 32 kg one-armed standing overhead presses then a 32 kg
> snatch workout of short sets on short rests, totalling 86 reps in 12
> minutes.) I put a 30 lb. dumbbell on the floor on end, underneath the
> chinup bar, grabbed it between my feet as I hung from the bar, and did 10
> more strict pullups holding the 30 lb. dumbbell between my feet, carrying
> on a conversation the entire time, then did another set of alternating
> pistols. And the woman, who is 29 years old, said she thought I was about
> her age and I'm 52. That's my idea of a successful training and eating
> program.
>
> Yes, I do look in the mirror sometimes and, yes, I'm very happy with what
> I see.

You haven't got much choice

>
> http://www.kbnj.com/Inverted_Wheel.rm
>
> You get a little bit of a view of me right at the end. That is exactly
> what I want to look like. Now if we could just attach a better looking
> face to it .... You're a bodybuilder - you pose for pictures. I
> don't. Remember this:
>
> http://members.shaw.ca/beforeafter/davin/davin_beforeafter.htm
>
> It demonstrates the difference in appearance one makes by posing,
> something with which you are no doubt familiar. When I'm ready to start
> posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that time,
> I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look like I work
> out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out like you do.

You could work out anyway you like - wouldn;t change a thing - you simply
don't have the genetics

> To each his own, and may you live long and prosper.

> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>> --
>> Robert Schuh
>> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
>> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
>> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
>> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
>> - Nietzsche
>>
>> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>>
>
>
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"ATP*" <waxwingslain.DeleteThis@azurepane.com> schreef:

> At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
> warranty................

Huh ?!?!?!

Not sure if i got that one.

Anyway, in the summer of 2002, i was the number 1 when it came to selling
extended warrantys.

If they only knew how...

In 2004, the company went bankrupt.

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"Pete" <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "ATP*" <waxwingslain.RemoveThis@azurepane.com> schreef:
>
>> At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
>> warranty................
>
> Huh ?!?!?!
>
> Not sure if i got that one.
>
The hard bop dumbass isn't going to live that long.
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"whitedogshitman" <validatpart.TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 13 Apr, 19:04, "David" <forgot....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <s....TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:589fc9F2fmjnrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Hard Bop Drums" <nos....TakeThisOut@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
>> >news:frGTh.132344$ZA5.33129@newsfe15.phx...
>> >> Steve Freides" <s....TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:5887cuF2fhva4U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >>> "Hobbes" <khobman....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:khobman800-63128A.16040812042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> >>>> In article <587mdcF2g90k....TakeThisOut@mid.individual.net>,
>> >>>> "Steve Freides" <s....TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> "Hobbes" <khobman....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:khobman800-7D1C9A.14324312042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> >>>>> > In article
>> >>>>> > <1176407828.949570.103....TakeThisOut@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> >>>>> > "whitedogshitman" <validatp....TakeThisOut@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> >> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
>> >>>>> >> swinging technique?
>>
>> >>>>> > Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue.
>> >>>>> > The
>> >>>>> > kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs
>> >>>>> > easier.
>> >>>>> > The
>> >>>>> > center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of
>> >>>>> > rotation
>> >>>>> > too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue
>> >>>>> > that
>> >>>>> > the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other
>> >>>>> > movements, so
>> >>>>> > you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.
>>
>> >>>>> > Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over
>> >>>>> > dumbbells.
>> >>>>> > They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well
>> >>>>> > in
>> >>>>> > others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
>> >>>>> > investment. But they aren't necessary at all.
>>
>> >>>>> I strongly disagree. Swing a kettlebell, then swing a dumbbell.
>> >>>>> Very
>> >>>>> different experiences. More to the point, swing each then see
>> >>>>> which
>> >>>>> you'd
>> >>>>> rather do if you had to pick. I don't know many who would pick the
>> >>>>> dumbbell
>> >>>>> over the kettlebell for swings.
>>
>> >>>> I've swung both. I prefer a kettlebell for swings,
>>
>> >>> You can stop right there - me, too, and that'll do it for me.
>>
>> >>> -S-
>> >>>http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>> >> Steve,
>> >> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the mirror
>> >> and
>> >> then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think it has been a
>> >> success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV who make you look
>> >> like
>> >> Olive Oil. You don't even look like you work out. I realize that we
>> >> all
>> >> have different goals, but doesn't looking good mean anything to you?
>>
>> > Rob,
>> > I am being 100% serious here. Looking good means very little to me but
>> > more to the point, looking good as you define is something I don't
>> > want -
>> > never have, never will. I'll tell you a story.
>>
>> You never will because you never can.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Two days ago, I met the new director at my local Y, where I do a little
>> > workout once a week before my stint as a volunteer swimming teacher on
>> > Wednesday afternoons. She looked at me and you could tell she didn't
>> > think I was anything special in terms of my appearance. Then one of
>> > the
>> > trainers who'd been there a while and knew me looked at her and asked
>> > if
>> > she's seen me work out. Before she got there I'd done 10 strict
>> > bodyweight pullups and a some alternating pistols. (Before I got to
>> > the
>> > Y, I'd done a few 32 kg one-armed standing overhead presses then a 32
>> > kg
>> > snatch workout of short sets on short rests, totalling 86 reps in 12
>> > minutes.) I put a 30 lb. dumbbell on the floor on end, underneath the
>> > chinup bar, grabbed it between my feet as I hung from the bar, and did
>> > 10
>> > more strict pullups holding the 30 lb. dumbbell between my feet,
>> > carrying
>> > on a conversation the entire time, then did another set of alternating
>> > pistols. And the woman, who is 29 years old, said she thought I was
>> > about
>> > her age and I'm 52. That's my idea of a successful training and eating
>> > program.
>>
>> > Yes, I do look in the mirror sometimes and, yes, I'm very happy with
>> > what
>> > I see.
>>
>> You haven't got much choice
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://www.kbnj.com/Inverted_Wheel.rm
>>
>> > You get a little bit of a view of me right at the end. That is exactly
>> > what I want to look like. Now if we could just attach a better looking
>> > face to it .... You're a bodybuilder - you pose for pictures. I
>> > don't. Remember this:
>>
>> >http://members.shaw.ca/beforeafter/davin/davin_beforeafter.htm
>>
>> > It demonstrates the difference in appearance one makes by posing,
>> > something with which you are no doubt familiar. When I'm ready to
>> > start
>> > posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that
>> > time,
>> > I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look like I
>> > work
>> > out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out like you do.
>>
>> You could work out anyway you like - wouldn;t change a thing - you simply
>> don't have the genetics
>>
>> > To each his own, and may you live long and prosper.
>> > -S-
>> >http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Robert Schuh
>> >> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
>> >> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
>> >> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
>> >> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
>> >> - Nietzsche
>>
>> >>http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>
> Why do you guys not just meet up and have a mutual masturbation
> session-then whom so ever cums first gets to put it up the other guys
> ass-you know you want to -you Yankee faggots-getting your ass screwed
> should be a familiar feeling these days

And you are not a yankee faggot? Then what sort of faggot are you?
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:02:12 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>John Hanson <jhanson.DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:54 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com>
>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>>"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.DeleteThis@hardbopdrums.com> writes:
>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the
>>>> mirror and then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think
>>>> it has been a success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV
>>>> who make you look like Olive Oil. You don't even look like you
>>>> work out. I realize that we all have different goals, but doesn't
>>>> looking good mean anything to you?
>>>
>>>I understand that Steve bashing is all the rage on MFW, but this
>>>statement is ridiculous.
>>>
>>>I don't share Steve's goals, but you can't honestly say that he
>>>doesn't look like he works out. Granted he weighs a buck fifty, but
>>>I think that you would be hard pressed to find a guy in his fifties
>>>that looks fitter.
>>>
>> Come to Masters Nationals and you'll see guys in their 70s who look
>> fitter.
>
>Which is to say that if I took the cream of the crop of the entire
>United States I would be able to find a handful of guys that looked
>"more fit" (whatever that means) than Freides, adjusted for age.

That's not what I said. I said you'd find guys twenty years older
than Steve that look fitter. Pretty much everybody there looks fitter
than Steve with the exception of a few super heavyweights.

From two years ago. There's even a picture of Jason here:
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/25/results/2005masters_art.html
>
>I think that pretty much proves my point. If the place to find people
>fitter than Freides is at a National Master's tournament then Freides
>can't be doing that bad of a job at this whole fitness thing.

That would be Masters Nationals and according to Steve's accounts of
his training, he trains more than nearly all of those guys.

>
>The fact of the matter is that if you read Steve's story for the first
>time today you'd probably even find it to be inspirational. Going
>from being hospitalized with back problems to deadlifting nearly 2.5
>times your body weight (at over 50) is a pretty neat trick. It's not
>going to land you in the Guinness book of world records or anything,
>but it's hardly typical.

Not really. There are far more inspirational stories than Steves.

>
>If it wasn't for Steve's fixation on kettlebells we wouldn't even be
>having the conversation. You'd agree with me that Steve looks pretty
>fit for a guy that weighs 150 soaking wet. I'd crack a joke about how
>I probably have a pair a shoes that weighs more than Freides, and that
>would be it.

No, he looks like a concentration camp survivor.

>
>That being said where and when is the National Master's tournament.
>That probably would be fun to see.
>
Masters Nationals is in Milwaukee at the Four Points Sheraton the
weekend of May 4, 5 and 6.
http://wi-usapl.com/NewFiles/MASTER'S_NATIONALS_2007.html
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"jcderkoeing" <jcderkoenig DeleteThis @ibm.com> schreef:

>>> At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
>>> warranty................

>> Huh ?!?!?!

>> Not sure if i got that one.

> The hard bop dumbass isn't going to live that long.

I wouldnt bet on it. He may outlive us all...

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"Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "jcderkoeing" <jcderkoenig DeleteThis @ibm.com> schreef:
>
>>>> At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
>>>> warranty................
>
>>> Huh ?!?!?!
>
>>> Not sure if i got that one.
>
>> The hard bop dumbass isn't going to live that long.
>
> I wouldnt bet on it. He may outlive us all...
>

I bet on him not outliving many of us, because his kidneys are kaput due to
his drug abuse.

He probably has AIDS also.
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John Hanson <jhanson.DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> writes:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:02:12 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>John Hanson <jhanson.DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:54 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com>
>>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>
>>>>"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.DeleteThis@hardbopdrums.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the
>>>>> mirror and then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think
>>>>> it has been a success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV
>>>>> who make you look like Olive Oil. You don't even look like you
>>>>> work out. I realize that we all have different goals, but doesn't
>>>>> looking good mean anything to you?
>>>>
>>>>I understand that Steve bashing is all the rage on MFW, but this
>>>>statement is ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>>I don't share Steve's goals, but you can't honestly say that he
>>>>doesn't look like he works out. Granted he weighs a buck fifty, but
>>>>I think that you would be hard pressed to find a guy in his fifties
>>>>that looks fitter.
>>>>
>>> Come to Masters Nationals and you'll see guys in their 70s who look
>>> fitter.
>>
>>Which is to say that if I took the cream of the crop of the entire
>>United States I would be able to find a handful of guys that looked
>>"more fit" (whatever that means) than Freides, adjusted for age.
>
> That's not what I said. I said you'd find guys twenty years older
> than Steve that look fitter. Pretty much everybody there looks
> fitter than Steve with the exception of a few super heavyweights.
>
> From two years ago. There's even a picture of Jason here:
> http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/25/results/2005masters_art.html

I would tend to agree that powerlifters tend to look like fit if you
exclude the super heavyweights. That's definitely the group that *I*
want to fit in with.

>>I think that pretty much proves my point. If the place to find people
>>fitter than Freides is at a National Master's tournament then Freides
>>can't be doing that bad of a job at this whole fitness thing.
>
> That would be Masters Nationals and according to Steve's accounts of
> his training, he trains more than nearly all of those guys.

Lots of people spend a lot of time in the gym.

>>The fact of the matter is that if you read Steve's story for the first
>>time today you'd probably even find it to be inspirational. Going
>>from being hospitalized with back problems to deadlifting nearly 2.5
>>times your body weight (at over 50) is a pretty neat trick. It's not
>>going to land you in the Guinness book of world records or anything,
>>but it's hardly typical.
>
> Not really. There are far more inspirational stories than Steves.

I am not trying to say that Steve's story would change your life or
anything.

I suppose I find him inspirational simply because he has been a
catalyst to get my own lifts up. It's hard to feel like you are
making progress when Freides can lift more than you can.

>>If it wasn't for Steve's fixation on kettlebells we wouldn't even be
>>having the conversation. You'd agree with me that Steve looks
>>pretty fit for a guy that weighs 150 soaking wet. I'd crack a joke
>>about how I probably have a pair a shoes that weighs more than
>>Freides, and that would be it.
>
> No, he looks like a concentration camp survivor.

That's going a little far. Say rather that he looks like a jockey or
perhaps a chimney sweep, one of the old kind that used to have to
actually get in the chimney. He looks well fed enough, just tiny.

>>That being said where and when is the National Master's tournament.
>>That probably would be fun to see.
>>
> Masters Nationals is in Milwaukee at the Four Points Sheraton the
> weekend of May 4, 5 and 6.
> http://wi-usapl.com/NewFiles/MASTER'S_NATIONALS_2007.html

Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

Jason
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"Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote in message
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> John Hanson <jhanson RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:02:12 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com>
>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>>John Hanson <jhanson RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:54 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com>
>>>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>>
>>>>>"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam RemoveThis @hardbopdrums.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the
>>>>>> mirror and then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> it has been a success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV
>>>>>> who make you look like Olive Oil. You don't even look like you
>>>>>> work out. I realize that we all have different goals, but doesn't
>>>>>> looking good mean anything to you?
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand that Steve bashing is all the rage on MFW, but this
>>>>>statement is ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't share Steve's goals, but you can't honestly say that he
>>>>>doesn't look like he works out. Granted he weighs a buck fifty,
>>>>>but
>>>>>I think that you would be hard pressed to find a guy in his fifties
>>>>>that looks fitter.
>>>>>
>>>> Come to Masters Nationals and you'll see guys in their 70s who
>>>> look
>>>> fitter.
>>>
>>>Which is to say that if I took the cream of the crop of the entire
>>>United States I would be able to find a handful of guys that looked
>>>"more fit" (whatever that means) than Freides, adjusted for age.
>>
>> That's not what I said. I said you'd find guys twenty years older
>> than Steve that look fitter. Pretty much everybody there looks
>> fitter than Steve with the exception of a few super heavyweights.
>>
>> From two years ago. There's even a picture of Jason here:
>> http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/25/results/2005masters_art.html
>
> I would tend to agree that powerlifters tend to look like fit if you
> exclude the super heavyweights. That's definitely the group that *I*
> want to fit in with.
>
>>>I think that pretty much proves my point. If the place to find
>>>people
>>>fitter than Freides is at a National Master's tournament then Freides
>>>can't be doing that bad of a job at this whole fitness thing.
>>
>> That would be Masters Nationals and according to Steve's accounts of
>> his training, he trains more than nearly all of those guys.
>
> Lots of people spend a lot of time in the gym.
>
>>>The fact of the matter is that if you read Steve's story for the
>>>first
>>>time today you'd probably even find it to be inspirational. Going
>>>from being hospitalized with back problems to deadlifting nearly 2.5
>>>times your body weight (at over 50) is a pretty neat trick. It's not
>>>going to land you in the Guinness book of world records or anything,
>>>but it's hardly typical.
>>
>> Not really. There are far more inspirational stories than Steves.
>
> I am not trying to say that Steve's story would change your life or
> anything.
>
> I suppose I find him inspirational simply because he has been a
> catalyst to get my own lifts up. It's hard to feel like you are
> making progress when Freides can lift more than you can.
>
>>>If it wasn't for Steve's fixation on kettlebells we wouldn't even be
>>>having the conversation. You'd agree with me that Steve looks
>>>pretty fit for a guy that weighs 150 soaking wet. I'd crack a joke
>>>about how I probably have a pair a shoes that weighs more than
>>>Freides, and that would be it.
>>
>> No, he looks like a concentration camp survivor.
>
> That's going a little far. Say rather that he looks like a jockey or
> perhaps a chimney sweep, one of the old kind that used to have to
> actually get in the chimney. He looks well fed enough, just tiny.

Most people who know me think I look like a runner, which is what I did
for 20+ years, and that's fine with me.

I train in the way I find works best for me, no more and no less. I am
no more fixated on kettlebells than I'm "fixated" on putting one foot in
front of the other when the doorbell rings. For my goals, a kettlebell
is the implement of choice for most of my training, but I also do
bodyweight exercises and barbell work on a regular basis as well.

And if anyone doesn't like my goals, or my methods of achieving them,
that's fine with me. I also like gefilte fish, not a common thing, I've
been told. Somehow my taste in food seems to be much less
controversial than my taste in exercise equipment. Go figure.

None of that to you directly, Jason, just to this thread in general.

Now I'm going to get back to the water in my basement (2nd time in 14
years in this house, not too bad, but still not a whole lot of fun), and
I'll check in on this love fest tomorrow.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>>>That being said where and when is the National Master's tournament.
>>>That probably would be fun to see.
>>>
>> Masters Nationals is in Milwaukee at the Four Points Sheraton the
>> weekend of May 4, 5 and 6.
>> http://wi-usapl.com/NewFiles/MASTER'S_NATIONALS_2007.html
>
> Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
>
> Jason
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