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Bully

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(Msg. 106) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:10 am
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In news:eu46ri$itb$1@inews.gazeta.pl,
Andrzej Rosa <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> typed:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to misc.fitness.weights.]
> Dnia 2007-03-24 Achim Nolcken Lohse napisał(a):
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:49:01 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Knee health in olympic
>>> weightlifters is very good and exceeds the general population
>>> according to a study done in the 70's.
>>
>> Well, that's a cheery thought. To think that a bunch of dedicated
>> athletes have better knees than the general population.
>
> It should be. They are competitive athletes, which means that they
> drive themselves to the limit of their capacity. Would you be
> surprised if you learned that F1 car has higher chance of failure than
> a passenger car? Would you say that engineers who built it had no
> idea about their job if you learned that an F1 cars actually break
> more
> often than the cheapest ones you could buy new?
>
>> Has it
>> occurred to you that people with bad knees probably never get into
>> weightlifting?
>
> I never met a single person with bad knees outside a gym.

Do you know any soccer players?

> It seems
> that *all* the people with bad knees get into some sort of
> weightlifting.
>
>> Or that those who injure themselves while trying it out
>> will probably stop pretty fast?
>
> No. They will just switch to benching and curling five times a week.
> It's obviously great for your knees.
>
>> A study in the 70's. I guess they figured - quit while you're ahead.
>> And after all that time, it's probably impossible to check how well
>> controlled the study was, let alone replicate it.
>>
>> I HAVE noticed quite a few world class lifters with pressure bandages
>> on their knees. I guess that's to remind them that there's no chance
>> of injury?
>
> You guessed wrong. Knee wraps are there in spite of higher injury
> risks they bring with themselves. They are there to win something.
> Lifters in general, and world class lifters in particular, really
> like to win.



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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

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Lucas Buck

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(Msg. 107) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:03 pm
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:49:18 -0400, JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>Lucas Buck <sbcpark RemoveThis @earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>> JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Don't fall for this.
>>For the one-shot *vampire* kill, you need a *wood-jacketed* round.
>
>Ignore this tripe. He is just another naysaying so-called "expert"
>who knows nothing about our special combination of bullet jacketing
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>with Wilson Combat Mags.

Don't you mean a ZERO-shot kill?

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Andrzej Rosa

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(Msg. 108) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:16 pm
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Dnia 2007-03-25 Bully napisał(a):
> In news:eu46ri$itb$1@inews.gazeta.pl,
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> typed:
>>
>>> Has it
>>> occurred to you that people with bad knees probably never get into
>>> weightlifting?
>>
>> I never met a single person with bad knees outside a gym.
>
> Do you know any soccer players?

You are nitpicking, obviously, but you are right that I met some people
who had bad knees due to injuries. I also knew several cripples who
were born with bad knees. Beside that, nobody ever complains about
their knees beyond the 50 m circle with a squat rack in the center.

And I'll add "Wink" to make it absolutely clear that I'm exaggerating a
little bit here.

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Pete

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(Msg. 109) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:17 am
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"Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> schreef:

> Marco van Basten, our present couch...

?!?!?!

I said "couch" instead of coach...

The human sub-consious works in mysterious ways i guess.
Last game it was 0-0 against the Romanians.

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Andrzej Rosa

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(Msg. 110) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:17 am
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Dnia 2007-03-26 Pete napisał(a):
> "Pete" <phoutstra RemoveThis @wanadoo.nl> schreef:
>
>> Marco van Basten, our present couch...
>
> ?!?!?!
>
> I said "couch" instead of coach...
>
> The human sub-consious works in mysterious ways i guess.
> Last game it was 0-0 against the Romanians.

You hired the wrong Dutch. We hired Leo Beenhakker for a coach, and
since then we always win.

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Lucas Buck

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(Msg. 111) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:02 pm
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:29:19 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2007-03-26 Pete napisał(a):
>> "Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> schreef:
>>
>>> Marco van Basten, our present couch...
>>
>> ?!?!?!
>>
>> I said "couch" instead of coach...
>>
>> The human sub-consious works in mysterious ways i guess.
>> Last game it was 0-0 against the Romanians.
>
>You hired the wrong Dutch. We hired Leo Beenhakker for a coach, and
>since then we always win.

But how is he as a couch?
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(Msg. 112) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:42 pm
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lohsea RemoveThis @3web.nettax (Achim Nolcken Lohse) writes:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:01:47 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
> <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ... one-legged exercises.... are very safe from a biomechanical point of view
>
> Baloney.
>
> There's nothing safe about one-legged exercises. You can injure your
> back as well as your knee. And you certainly can't do one-legged
> squats to failure safely.

This coming from someone whose primary exercise equipment apparently
exploded throwing shrapnel all over his living room.

Pistols and other one legged exercises are perfectly safe. Sure, you
could probably manage to hurt yourself if you tried hard enough, but
its not likely.

Jason
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Achim Nolcken Lohse

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(Msg. 113) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:17 am
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:42:29 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com>
wrote:

>lohsea@3web.nettax (Achim Nolcken Lohse) writes:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:01:47 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>> <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... one-legged exercises.... are very safe from a biomechanical point of view
>>
>> Baloney.
>>
>> There's nothing safe about one-legged exercises. You can injure your
>> back as well as your knee. And you certainly can't do one-legged
>> squats to failure safely.
>
>This coming from someone whose primary exercise equipment apparently
>exploded throwing shrapnel all over his living room.

Corrections:

1. part of the apparatus shattered, I never used the word "exploded"
or "shrapnel"

2. I work out in the sun room, not the living room

I should also point out that this is the first disabling breakdown
I've experienced in six years of using the apparatus, and that the
only risk of injury I can imagine from this event is that of getting a
jagged piece of plastic in the eye.

I had a spare rod box (the part that shattered),and installed it as
soon as I finished taking photos to document the event, and then
completed my workout. The only thing I changed is that I now wear eye
protection when I use the Bowflex, which is probably a good idea when
working out with any machine that has moving and/or projecting parts.
>
>Pistols and other one legged exercises are perfectly safe. Sure, you
>could probably manage to hurt yourself if you tried hard enough, but
>its not likely.

One legged exercise carries a serious risk of injury precisely because
it makes the back unstable. The back muscles are capable of doing all
sorts of serious injuries to your spine and to your tendons.

I've had a number of lingering injuries from falls - not because of
the impact, but because of the damage my back and/or neck muscles did
in trying to stop me from hitting the ground. And, perhaps you haven't
had occasion to experience this, but such old injuries have a way of
being reinjured.

Sure you can do all kinds of wonderful things with one leg. Obviously
- there are amputees that ski with one leg. And maybe you can stay
uninjured all your life doing this. But you're pushing your luck.

I exercise to stay fit and healthy. It makes no sense to me to use
inherently dangerous techniques to do this when safe methods are
available.

It may be that it's impossible for anyone to do serious bodybuilding
with a Bowflex. It's definitely too underpowered for someone my size,
so I've never been able to test this myself. But (with some
modifications) it's allowed me to keep in reasonable shape all these
years without aggravating any of my existing injuries, and that's
nothing to sneeze at.
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(Msg. 114) Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:27 am
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Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote:
[...]

> <snip> I never used the word "exploded"
> or "shrapnel"

Fwiw, I used the word shrapnel in my one post. Accurate description,
imo, but used more for its exaggerated impact in a perhaps misguided
attempt at humor. That's not, however, to comment on any other
poster's motivation.
[...]

> the only risk of injury I can imagine from
> this event is that of getting a jagged piece
> of plastic in the eye. <snip> The only thing
> I changed is that I now wear eye protection
> when I use the Bowflex, which is probably
> a good idea when working out with any
> machine that has moving and/or projecting
> parts.

No doubt.

I've often hesitated using the one calf machine at the local gym as
the cable runs directly in front of your face. And, unlike a pull down
unit, the calf machine's cable is REALLY up on your mug. If that thing
gave way, you'd - I'm guessing - be eating cable.

Otoh, I think it was MuscleMag International that had a blurb about a
guy splitting his face and skull open after an exercise ball he'd been
benching on either exploded or shifted. Forget which, but I know he
bit it hard on that exchange. So, yeah, machines or free weights:
PROCEED WITH CAUTION! ;o)

Guess that warning applies to life in general, though, eh?

Good workouts to all.

[...]

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