Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps

"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.DeleteThis@nospam.netspace.net.au> schreef:

>> If you remember, I recommended switching focus from hypertrophy to
>> speed strength. This kind of training doesn't promote hypertrophy as
>> much as typical bodybuilding and at the same time it stimulates your
>> tendons better. If you'll decide to listen to what I tell you, ask
>> away and I'll give you a program which should help you recover.

> OK. So lighter weights and more reps yes? Like 21's, super sets etc?

I think Andre meant something else.

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 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

"Beach Runner" <Bob4Health RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I trust everyone is happy and healthy-ish?
> >
> > I have changed a couple of things in my training over the past couple of
> > months to included weighted dips and hammer curls. I have begun to
> > experience sharp pain in both elbows (particularly right)
>
> Stephan,
>
> My fellow bass man. I read a bunch of replies and you'll excuse me if
> I don't fit this in with the
> correct postings. In the last two years I had both my elbows operated

Hey Bob,

No worries!

> on, in one the doc moved
> my ulnae nerve from the funny bone to the other side of the elbow. It
> was incredibly painful, no way I would
> have gone through with it if I knew what he was going to do, much less
> how much it hurt. But even in the recovery room, with my pain on a
> scale from 1-10 at 43, I immediately knew I had done the right thing,
> and told the doc to go ahead and book the other elbow.
>

So it hurt a bit then :-[

> First, stop the new exercises. It's that obvious. And don't ask for
> diagnoses here. We don't have ultra sound,
> MRIs, or anything to look into your joints, fascia, or anything. You
> need a good specialist, who is familiar with both sports and musicians
> injuries.
>

I'm certainly going to do just that. I just need to find a decent specialist
though. I did have a bad experience with a "professional" (at least the
degree said he was) who did some basic manipulation on my back about 5 years
ago. I get 2 pops in my mid back area when I twist now that I didn't have
before I visited him. Know of any good ones in Melbourne, Australia?

> You'll get a bunch of postings here, but generally they will break down
> to if it started to hurt, stop doing what hurts, and then you'll get
> some insults. You may well be able to do what you are doing now, it
> just may take longer to get there. Do other things for now and see a
> specialist.
>

It seems logical and I'm seriously looking at stoping those exercises all
together. I've had 5 days off and while the pain in the elbows is subsiding,
it's still there. The pain in the left biceps is also still fairly evident,
especially when I get to about a 30 degree angle. I brought in some bags of
shopping from the car (about 15kg of dog food) and I was feeling some pain
at about 3 out of 10. Time to see a doc...

> Bob
>

Steph
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Dnia 2007-01-21 Stephan Carydakis napisa³(a):
>
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> If you remember, I recommended switching focus from hypertrophy to
>> speed strength. This kind of training doesn't promote hypertrophy as
>> much as typical bodybuilding and at the same time it stimulates your
>> tendons better. If you'll decide to listen to what I tell you, ask
>> away and I'll give you a program which should help you recover.
>>
>
> OK. So lighter weights and more reps yes? Like 21's, super sets etc?

IMO you already did pretty high reps and a lot of light weights. It
didn't work much, did it?

> So is this a good time to go into a 'cutting' stage then?

I think that you could increase cardio. You must train lighter anyway,
so you should be able to put up with more endurance work.

> I'll be very happy to
> take your advice. Please, feel free to post a program. 6 days of training
> max is what I am able to fit in right now.

Okay. I can't give you an exact program because I don't know the extent
of your injury, so it would be like prescribing an exact weights to
lift. For some people they would be to heavy, for others they would be
way to light, so it's better to just give an outline which you must
apply according to the ability of your body to recover.

First - listen to your body. Really listen. If you have any pain
after your training session, you did something wrong and you must
change it.

Second - vary the grip, speed, sets and reps according to your ability
to recover from training. If some grip gives you pain, change it.
Find a way of executing every exercise which is tolerated by your body
and be stupidly strict with form.

Third - be prepared to be patient. It will take months to recover from
your present state. Every time you push too far, you increase the time
it will take to recover.

For your training while recovering I suggest the following.

For a month don't do any arm work whatsoever. Try a two day split with
some cardio on your off days and/or after your training session.

A: Squat, calves, snatch grip deadlift, high pulls, shrugs.
B: Abs, hyper-extensions, cables.

With cables I assume that you'll get creative. Grab a pulley and do a
lot of moves in various ways. I don't have your body, so I can't tell
what will work fine and what will not, anyway the idea is to stimulate
your chest and back without injuring your arms. Cable cross-overs and
a lot of various flyes should do the trick, but if it doesn't work,
don't do them.

At the moment you are sure that your body can take it, you may
incorporate one-armed cleans and push-presses and one-armed snatches
into your routine. I'd suggest staying with it for a while, but you
may of course prefer doing two-armed versions. They are just a bit
more difficult to learn to do properly, but they will work fine too.
The idea is to provide some stimulus for your tendons to grow
stronger. Explosive stuff does seem to work fine for that.

The whole general idea of the above is more important than any specific
details. I want you to first let your arms rest for a month and then
train your tendons by providing the kind of stimulus (fast stuff) which
does work for them. Later you may go back to your normal hypertrophy
based training, but I'd keep some explosive lifting around, just to be
on a safe side.

A kid is pestering me at the moment, so I'll finish here. Ask if you
want any clarification.

Oh, sets & reps? Well, do what you like. Low reps are better for
building strength, higher reps work better for hypertrophy, very high
reps work for endurance. With low reps you can do more sets fine.

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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dnia 2007-01-21 Stephan Carydakis napisa³(a):
> >
> > "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> If you remember, I recommended switching focus from hypertrophy to
> >> speed strength. This kind of training doesn't promote hypertrophy as
> >> much as typical bodybuilding and at the same time it stimulates your
> >> tendons better. If you'll decide to listen to what I tell you, ask
> >> away and I'll give you a program which should help you recover.
> >>
> >
> > OK. So lighter weights and more reps yes? Like 21's, super sets etc?
>
> IMO you already did pretty high reps and a lot of light weights. It
> didn't work much, did it?

I think it did ok. Until I changed things to include dips, pullups and
hammer curls. And at the same time changing my chest routine by reducing the
reps to 5 and going heavy on all sets.
>
> > So is this a good time to go into a 'cutting' stage then?
>
> I think that you could increase cardio. You must train lighter anyway,
> so you should be able to put up with more endurance work.
>

OK.

> > I'll be very happy to
> > take your advice. Please, feel free to post a program. 6 days of
training
> > max is what I am able to fit in right now.
>
> Okay. I can't give you an exact program because I don't know the extent
> of your injury, so it would be like prescribing an exact weights to
> lift. For some people they would be to heavy, for others they would be
> way to light, so it's better to just give an outline which you must
> apply according to the ability of your body to recover.
>
> First - listen to your body. Really listen. If you have any pain
> after your training session, you did something wrong and you must
> change it.
>

The problem for me, being a relative newbie, is learning what is good pain
and what is bad. I'm learning...

> Second - vary the grip, speed, sets and reps according to your ability
> to recover from training. If some grip gives you pain, change it.
> Find a way of executing every exercise which is tolerated by your body
> and be stupidly strict with form.
>
> Third - be prepared to be patient. It will take months to recover from
> your present state. Every time you push too far, you increase the time
> it will take to recover.
>
> For your training while recovering I suggest the following.
>
> For a month don't do any arm work whatsoever. Try a two day split with
> some cardio on your off days and/or after your training session.
>
> A: Squat, calves, snatch grip deadlift, high pulls, shrugs.
> B: Abs, hyper-extensions, cables.
>
> With cables I assume that you'll get creative. Grab a pulley and do a
> lot of moves in various ways. I don't have your body, so I can't tell
> what will work fine and what will not, anyway the idea is to stimulate
> your chest and back without injuring your arms. Cable cross-overs and
> a lot of various flyes should do the trick, but if it doesn't work,
> don't do them.
>
> At the moment you are sure that your body can take it, you may
> incorporate one-armed cleans and push-presses and one-armed snatches
> into your routine. I'd suggest staying with it for a while, but you
> may of course prefer doing two-armed versions. They are just a bit
> more difficult to learn to do properly, but they will work fine too.
> The idea is to provide some stimulus for your tendons to grow
> stronger. Explosive stuff does seem to work fine for that.
>
> The whole general idea of the above is more important than any specific
> details. I want you to first let your arms rest for a month and then
> train your tendons by providing the kind of stimulus (fast stuff) which
> does work for them. Later you may go back to your normal hypertrophy
> based training, but I'd keep some explosive lifting around, just to be
> on a safe side.
>
> A kid is pestering me at the moment, so I'll finish here. Ask if you
> want any clarification.
>
> Oh, sets & reps? Well, do what you like. Low reps are better for
> building strength, higher reps work better for hypertrophy, very high
> reps work for endurance. With low reps you can do more sets fine.
>

Thanks doc. I appreciate your input :-]

> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Steph
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"Tom Anderson" <twic RemoveThis @urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>
> > "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 RemoveThis @nospam.netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:eorvv5$2aao$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> >>
> >> "Steve Freides" <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> >> news:51cqrdF1jbnmnU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 RemoveThis @nospam.netspace.net.au> wrote in
> >>> message
> >>> news:eoph2q$1nk1$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Steve Freides" <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:519p0dF1j94keU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>>>> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 RemoveThis @nospam.netspace.net.au> wrote in
> >>>>> message
> >>>>> news:eomool$1195$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I trust everyone is happy and healthy-ish?
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>

<snip>

> >>
> >> "Similar" weight. So I'm doing something like this:
> >>
> >> 10xbw
> >> 8x10kg
> >> 8X15kg
> >> 6x20kg
> >> 4x25kg
> >
> > OK. That's a lot of pullups. If you'll allow an opinion, I'd consider
> > dropping the 10 x bw altogether and starting with 10 x bw+10kg, then
> > continuing as you were. Do a few bw-only to warmup if you like first
> > but not 10. I think you'll find you'll get stronger because you'll be
> > fresher for the heavier sets. The idea of moving from more reps with
> > less weight to fewer reps with more weight is a solid one, IMHO. I
> > often use a 5-4-3-2-1 rep scheme when deadlifting, e.g., and it's worked
> > out well for me.
>
> Incidentally, i came across this research today:
>
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&d...=Abstra
>
> "Muscular adaptations to combinations of high- and low-intensity
> resistance exercises."
>
> Which, if i read the abstract right (haven't managed to get the whole
> paper yet), suggests that you get getter strength gains from a combination
> of intermediate- and high-rep work than from intermediate- and low-rep
> work, which goes against traditional thinking. They didn't do a comparison
> to straight low-rep work (or just intermediate-rep), though. Also, i think
> this is with untrained subjects, as usual.
>

My twin bro has been training for about 4 years and he has always said told
me to 'mix it up', have a week off evrey now and then and don't do too many
sets.

> tom
>
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 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

In news:ep22p3$llr$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
Stephan Carydakis <steph777 RemoveThis @nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:

[...]

>>
>> Nope, deadly serious. If I do any overhead pulling exercise now, I
>> use the lat pulldown machine which doesn't cause the same problem.
>>
>
> OK. Same kind of thing as me then. How long before it became a
> problem for you?

Fro mthe time I started doing them -- years.

> The PT took me through and upper body routine from
> the Body For Life thing. I did really light weights and left out
> biceps and tricpes because of my injuries it still caused a little
> bit of pain in the distal area after doing seated row on very light
> weights.

That figures as you have an injury !!!

>
>>>
>>> That's the last set I did. I have done slightly more but I have
>>> missed about 3 back days over the last 6 weeks. I manage 4x35kg as a
>>> last and did a 6th set of 6(I think) x 10kg.
>>>
>>> I actually do incline machine so I don't know what the comparison
>>> would be compared to incline BB. This is the machine I use
>>> http://www.nautilusgsa.com/productXPL.asp?item=IP and I'm doing 5 x
>>> 5x110kg currently (thats after a 5 x 5x110.
>>
>> Flat bench, Oly bar?
>>
>
> That's including the oly bar.

Yes, of course - was just checking it wasn't Smiths Machine.

> I've got 2x20kg + 5kg per side at the
> moment. I started the 5x5 on 5x90kgx3, 4x100kg,4x90kg so there is
> some forward movement.

5x5 at 110kg is impressive, particularly as a relative newbie!!!

>
>>>

[...]

>>
>> Bear in mind most PT's, at least in the UK, carry the minimum level
>> of qualification necessary to get a job in the "fitness industry".
>
> I think it's a fairly under-regulated industry here in Oz as well.
> But as I found out today, she's been in the industry since the 80's.
> Not that it neccessarily means anything, but she seemed fairly
> switched on. She put me on to an Osteopath today. I talked to him
> over the phone and he thinks he can help me.

Yep, he can help you lighten your wallet -- that's for sure. Does he have
any experience dealing w/athletes.

> I've got an appoinment
> to see him in a couple of days.
>

Enjoy.


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"Bully" <bully19.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> In news:ep22p3$llr$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
>
> [...]
>
> >>
> >> Nope, deadly serious. If I do any overhead pulling exercise now, I
> >> use the lat pulldown machine which doesn't cause the same problem.
> >>
> >
> > OK. Same kind of thing as me then. How long before it became a
> > problem for you?
>
> Fro mthe time I started doing them -- years.

Mmm. I'm thinking the elbow pain just might be a reoccurence of the
RSI/tennis elbow I had when playing bass regularly all those years ago. It
just seems to have happened very quickly. Do you think that all of the
gripping needed to hold heavier weights would add to the elbow injury? Or is
it mostly from the dips and pullups? Some people hate wrist straps and I've
read that some people think they can do more harm than good. I have never
used them or gloves for that matter. Do you use wrist straps or gloves?

>
> > The PT took me through and upper body routine from
> > the Body For Life thing. I did really light weights and left out
> > biceps and tricpes because of my injuries it still caused a little
> > bit of pain in the distal area after doing seated row on very light
> > weights.
>
> That figures as you have an injury !!!
>
> >
> >>>
> >>> That's the last set I did. I have done slightly more but I have
> >>> missed about 3 back days over the last 6 weeks. I manage 4x35kg as a
> >>> last and did a 6th set of 6(I think) x 10kg.
> >>>
> >>> I actually do incline machine so I don't know what the comparison
> >>> would be compared to incline BB. This is the machine I use
> >>> http://www.nautilusgsa.com/productXPL.asp?item=IP and I'm doing 5 x
> >>> 5x110kg currently (thats after a 5 x 5x110.
> >>
> >> Flat bench, Oly bar?
> >>
> >
> > That's including the oly bar.
>
> Yes, of course - was just checking it wasn't Smiths Machine.
>
> > I've got 2x20kg + 5kg per side at the
> > moment. I started the 5x5 on 5x90kgx3, 4x100kg,4x90kg so there is
> > some forward movement.
>
> 5x5 at 110kg is impressive, particularly as a relative newbie!!!
>

OK. I feel that my chest may be one of my weaker areas but I'm loving, or
was loving, the 5x5 trial with the weighted dips as this was starting to
build some shape and strength in just 6 weeks. Time to get big legs and abs.

> >
> >>>
>
> [...]
>
> >>
> >> Bear in mind most PT's, at least in the UK, carry the minimum level
> >> of qualification necessary to get a job in the "fitness industry".
> >
> > I think it's a fairly under-regulated industry here in Oz as well.
> > But as I found out today, she's been in the industry since the 80's.
> > Not that it neccessarily means anything, but she seemed fairly
> > switched on. She put me on to an Osteopath today. I talked to him
> > over the phone and he thinks he can help me.
>
> Yep, he can help you lighten your wallet -- that's for sure. Does he have
> any experience dealing w/athletes.
>

He doesn't seem to pricey from others I've seen. AUD$65 for first 1 hour
visit, then $55 for subsequent consultations. Apparently he does treat
sports injuries and that PT said she's used him and sent others to him from
the local gym. She said she wouldn't send me to a shonk after I explained
I'd seen a few of them around. I'll see how it goes.

> > I've got an appoinment
> > to see him in a couple of days.
> >
>
> Enjoy.
>

TA.

>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
>
>

Steph.
 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

In news:ep2an6$nge$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
Stephan Carydakis <steph777 DeleteThis @nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
> "Bully" <bully19 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:51jic1F1ki8b1U1@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:ep22p3$llr$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
>> Stephan Carydakis <steph777 DeleteThis @nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, deadly serious. If I do any overhead pulling exercise now, I
>>>> use the lat pulldown machine which doesn't cause the same problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Same kind of thing as me then. How long before it became a
>>> problem for you?
>>
>> Fro mthe time I started doing them -- years.
>
> Mmm. I'm thinking the elbow pain just might be a reoccurence of the
> RSI/tennis elbow I had when playing bass regularly all those years
> ago. It just seems to have happened very quickly. Do you think that
> all of the gripping needed to hold heavier weights would add to the
> elbow injury?

Is it an "elbow injury" or a "distal bicep/tendon" injury. To me, there's a
difference. The former would be on the outside, the latter on the inside
[ventral / dorsal ???].

> Or is it mostly from the dips and pullups?

I would blame the pullups; or that was at least what caused it in my
situation.

> Some people
> hate wrist straps and I've read that some people think they can do
> more harm than good.

Who, tell me...? Is it that damn Pavel again? He looks like he needs a good
feed!!

> I have never used them or gloves for that
> matter. Do you use wrist straps or gloves?

Yes, no. When lifting BIG weights I don't want my grip to give way first.
You will get those that you should develop your grip so it doesn't give way
first, but that's their opinion and nothing else.

[...]

>> 5x5 at 110kg is impressive, particularly as a relative newbie!!!
>>
>
> OK. I feel that my chest may be one of my weaker areas but I'm
> loving, or was loving, the 5x5 trial with the weighted dips as this
> was starting to build some shape and strength in just 6 weeks. Time
> to get big legs and abs.

How much are you squatting?

>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>>> Bear in mind most PT's, at least in the UK, carry the minimum level
>>>> of qualification necessary to get a job in the "fitness industry".
>>>
>>> I think it's a fairly under-regulated industry here in Oz as well.
>>> But as I found out today, she's been in the industry since the 80's.
>>> Not that it neccessarily means anything, but she seemed fairly
>>> switched on. She put me on to an Osteopath today. I talked to him
>>> over the phone and he thinks he can help me.
>>
>> Yep, he can help you lighten your wallet -- that's for sure. Does
>> he have any experience dealing w/athletes.
>>
>
> He doesn't seem to pricey from others I've seen. AUD$65 for first 1
> hour visit, then $55 for subsequent consultations. Apparently he does
> treat sports injuries and that PT said she's used him and sent others
> to him from the local gym. She said she wouldn't send me to a shonk
> after I explained I'd seen a few of them around. I'll see how it goes.
>

Yeah, be sure to ask him some searching questions like "How much do you
bench?" !

[...]


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> In news:ep22p3$llr$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
>
> [...]
>
<snip>
>
> Yep, he can help you lighten your wallet -- that's for sure. Does he have
> any experience dealing w/athletes.
>

So what type of specialist, therapist, doctor etc would you recommend for
this type of injury?

<snip>
> --
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> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

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Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
> "Bully" <bully19.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:51jic1F1ki8b1U1@mid.individual.net...
>> In news:ep22p3$llr$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
>> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
>>
>> [...]
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> Yep, he can help you lighten your wallet -- that's for sure. Does
>> he have any experience dealing w/athletes.
>>
>
> So what type of specialist, therapist, doctor etc would you recommend
> for this type of injury?

I would recommend you seek treatment at source. STOP doing whatever caused
it. Free, and effective!

>
> <snip>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
>> sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill



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 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@nospam.netspace.net.au> schreef:

> I actually do incline machine so I don't know what the comparison would be
> compared to incline BB. This is the machine I use
> http://www.nautilusgsa.com/productXPL.asp?item=IP and I'm doing 5 x
> 5x110kg
> currently (thats after a 5 x 5x110.

No it isnt.

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 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

"Bully" <bully19 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>>> Flat bench, Oly bar?

>> That's including the oly bar.

> Yes, of course - was just checking it wasn't Smiths Machine.

>> I've got 2x20kg + 5kg per side at the
>> moment. I started the 5x5 on 5x90kgx3, 4x100kg,4x90kg so there is
>> some forward movement.

> 5x5 at 110kg is impressive, particularly as a relative newbie!!!

On a flat bench, yes.

On this machine, no.

http://www.nautilusgsa.com/productXPL.asp?item=IP

The distance from handle to lever is at least twice as big as from lever to
weight.

I use 110 on the overhead, but it equals 80 kilos.

--
Pete
 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps 

"Bully" <bully19.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:51ju1eF1kqr95U1@mid.individual.net...
> In news:ep2di9$o43$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.RemoveThis@nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
> > "Bully" <bully19.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> > news:51jic1F1ki8b1U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> In news:ep22p3$llr$1@otis.netspace.net.au,
> >> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.RemoveThis@nospam.netspace.net.au> typed:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> Yep, he can help you lighten your wallet -- that's for sure. Does
> >> he have any experience dealing w/athletes.
> >>
> >
> > So what type of specialist, therapist, doctor etc would you recommend
> > for this type of injury?
>
> I would recommend you seek treatment at source. STOP doing whatever caused
> it. Free, and effective!
>

Sure. I'll most likely have at least a month all back, biceps and dips
training and go very light on triceps, and do some flat and decline bench.
And depending on what the Osteopath comes up with, I may not do any upper
body (as Andrzej suggested) for that month.

> >
> > <snip>
> >> --
> >> Bully
> >> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
> >>
> >> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist
> >> sees the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Pain in elbows and distal end of biceps