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JMW

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(Msg. 91) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:15 pm
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"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>> You are a pathological liar who falsifies his qualifications,
>> including state-regulated certification under the laws of New York.
>
>Yer pushing the libel envelope, and you should know better. Keep it up.

Truth is a full defense to libel. You have billed yourself as a
registered dietitian more than 500 times on Usenet, and many times on
web pages, including the still-active HoloBarre web page. The State
of New York does not acknowledge that you are a certified dietitian or
nutritionist.

If you claim not to be certified by the State of New York, but do
claim to be registered with a national dietetic or nutrition
association, as required for certification under New York State
statute, please provide your registration number. Online verification
is also available for that search.

Naturally, I expect to read plenty of "blah, blah, blah," but the
likelihood of you providing a genuine registration number is
essentially nil.

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(Msg. 92) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:16 pm
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"DZ" <19038 RemoveThis @2235914289.2348825931.6739.2593.22893> schreef:

> Suppose there are two identical twins. One of them has more fat as
> well as very massive leg muscles developed through resistance
> training, targeting specifically the legs. The second twin has a pair
> of sticks.

> Now both go on a calorie and protein restricted diet, and start doing
> let's say bicep curls. Could the huge legs of the first twin provide a
> less catabolic environment for the biceps development by supplying
> more fatty/amino-acids?

> In other words, all else being equal, would the first twin end up with
> stronger/bigger biceps than the second one?

Yes.

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Pete, almost New & Improved

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(Msg. 93) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:07 pm
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"Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl.TakeThisOut@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> wrote in message
news:qLzjh.10834$641.306@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> "The Old Pete" <phoutstra.TakeThisOut@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> news:458ea738$0$44708$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>> Women cant build enough LBM to speed up the BMR.
>
> Okay, I'll bite. You're kidding, right? Start here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate
>
> Any increase in LBM speeds up BMR. Male or female.
>
> ep
A little. It might compensate for half a Twinkie. That book you're reading
is completely wrong, but I guess the author is telling people what they want
to hear.
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(Msg. 94) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:17 pm
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"Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> Unless its a cat with ADHD.

> Pete, you keep mentioning ADHD. Is this something with which you are
> particularly familiar?

Not really, i sorta have to opposite with this chronic fatique problem.

Methylphenidate can help with the symptons, but the doctors are not willing
to cooperate.
Instead, they hand it out to overstimulated 8 year olds as if it were M&Ms.

And give some BS story about the risks...

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Pete, almost New & Improved
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(Msg. 95) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:34 pm
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(Msg. 96) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:41 pm
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"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay DeleteThis @optonline2.718.net>
wrote:

>You can readily settle the legality of it all. I've already told you what
>regulating body to contact.

No, you didn't.

>NYS actually has nothing to do with it.

Then why the reference to "Registered Dietition, NYS" [sic] at the
following URL?

http://www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/KristoferH

>You are chronically wrong, and I can and have proven it a half dozen ways,
>each time.

You have proven nothing. You blather on with oblique references, but
never with anything clear and concrete that could easily be debunked,
and you never provide any proof or authoritative source. Nothing but
your say-so and plenty of "blah, blah, blah" that amounts to nothing.

I listen to people like DZ, who is strong in biosciences and knows
more about statistical analysis than anyone in this group will ever
hope to know. I argue with people like Andrzej, who appears to have a
decent math and physics background but is always trying to turn the
discussion to that because he knows he's weak in other areas.

You? You're just another phony, beating up on strawmen. It's
entertaining to challenge you when I have the spare time.
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(Msg. 97) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:04 pm
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Shute <Shute.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>Didn't you say
>"I've not acknowledged being wrong on those things because I wasn't.
>And I'm smart enough not to get involved in a circular argument with a
>troll."
>
>I guess you are a liar too.

I like poking pointy sticks at trolls.

Sometimes, I like poking pointy sticks at short, fat, unemployed
morons, but not too often, because I really do feel sorry for them.
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Andrzej Rosa

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(Msg. 98) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:16 pm
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Dnia 2006-12-24 The Old Pete napisał(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>> Let's remember several facts. One will build muscles while on
>> hypercaloric diet even without weight training.
>
> Are you sure?
>
> I have seen it happen. But not in people with normal levels of androgens.

Yes, pretty sure. There was a study I quoted once. In this study a
30% of mass gain was LBM. They gained mostly fat, but they built some
muscles too.

>> One is able to lose
>> fat on hypercaloric diet under special conditions (mainly
>> supercompensation).
>
> Yes, but than its no longer hyper, but turned into hypo.

If your body weight is increasing, it's still hypercaloric diet. And
I'm talking strictly short term and special conditions stuff here.
Like for example pre-contest preparations when you attempt to store
more glycogen in the muscles and lose fat at the same time. Some guys
get payed pretty high because they have those things figured out.

>> One is able to get fat on hypocaloric diet under
>> special conditions (chronic overtraining).
>
> I really have my doubts.

Well, it happens. When chronic overtraining seriously kicks in, one
will develop strong tendency to store fat and lose muscles. Crazy
levels of cortisol can do that. But, as I wrote already, simply
stopping exercising can do the same thing for many people.

>> Oh, something I happen to believe but can't prove: One will build
>> muscles faster while staying fat as opposed to staying cut or ripped.
>
> With this, i agree.

So, if it's true, we have bulking explained without the need for
requirement of surplus calories for building muscles. While bulking,
people get fatter and build muscles faster, then they lean out to show
them off. No need for any other assumptions.

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(Msg. 99) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:59 pm
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The Old Pete wrote:

[...]

>> personally. Cats are relaxing, too.
>
> Unless its a cat with ADHD.
>
> ----
> Pete, almost New & Improved

Pete, you keep mentioning ADHD. Is this something with which you are
particularly familiar?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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(Msg. 100) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:17 pm
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(Msg. 101) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:17 pm
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DZ <28209.RemoveThis@1859824808.1845031473.11777.15693.26164> wrote:
>The Old Pete <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>>>> Unless its a cat with ADHD.
>>
>>> Pete, you keep mentioning ADHD. Is this something with which you are
>>> particularly familiar?
>>
>> Not really, i sorta have to opposite with this chronic fatique problem.
>>
>> Methylphenidate can help with the symptons
>
>I've been told by a reliable source that Methyl Phenidate means
>Felicitous Nativity in Dutch.

Let's all wish Pete a Methyl Phenidate and a Meth Amphet Amine.
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(Msg. 102) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:57 pm
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(Msg. 103) Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:00 pm
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(Msg. 104) Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:17 am
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"Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl.TakeThisOut@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> schreef:

>> Or maybe 6-10 calories per pound of LBM, giving you a net additional burn
>> of 30-50 calories, or half of one of those miniscule 100 calorie snack
>> packs...

> LBM includes bones, organs, brains, connective tissue, etc. -- everything
> but fat.

Yes, and more so than muscle.

BTW, if we speak about an increase in LBM, do you think we mean muscle AND
all the rest?

Since when does an adult gain weight in LBM, other than muscle ?!?!?!

> Bones don't burn a lot of calories. Muscles do. So assuming the LBM burn
> you cite of 6-10 calories is correct, and I have no idea whether it is, it
> would constitute an average burn of all LBM, despite the fact that the
> different components of a person's LBM burn calories at different rates.

I know for a *fact* that women CANNOT get a substantial increase in BMR due
to increase in LBM.

Do you realize how many pounds of *muscle* that will take to accomplish?

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