Need Help Tweaking My Fat Loss Program

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:42:10 -0600, "Edna Pearl"
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>"Curt" <curtjames DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Her opinions seemed balanced to me and, hey, personal opinion is just
>> that. It's her fitness program and I'm certainly not going to question
>> her.
>
>Back up -- What's my fitness program? Not the Abs Diet. I just read the
>book! (Is that so *wrong*?)
>

Take no notice of the big bullies Edna darling. You read and write
what you like and tell them to go roger themselves.

Have a great Christmas my dear - I intend to! ;o)
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On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:44:18 -0500, Hans Huber <nospam RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

> (thirty minutes of jogging or
>some shorter sessions of jogging mixed with sprinting).

I've had good success keeping weight off for 21 years, jogging 4
miles, 4 times a week, intermixed with 1/2 weights 3 times a week.

Amy

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JMW wrote:
[...]
>
> Please show us your name on the list under Certified
> Dietitian/Nutritionist, Kristofer Hogg.

Look how his parents spelt his name! That explains a lot...



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"Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> JMW wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> Please show us your name on the list under Certified
>> Dietitian/Nutritionist, Kristofer Hogg.
>
> Look how his parents spelt his name! That explains a lot...

I wonder if he has a sister named Ima...
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
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>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
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"JMW" <jmwilliams.TakeThisOut@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.TakeThisOut@optonline2.718.net>
> wrote:
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.TakeThisOut@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.TakeThisOut@optonline2.718.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.TakeThisOut@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Proctologically Addicted©®" <entropic3.14decay.TakeThisOut@optonline2.718.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>How come you never acknowledged your "conversely" faux pas??
>>>>>>The creatine?? The diet timing stupidness?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not acknowledged being wrong on those things because I wasn't.
>>>>> And I'm smart enough not to get involved in a circular argument with a
>>>>> troll.
>>>>
>>>>No, you're wiley enough to not embarrass yourself further ...
>>>
>>> No, you've never shown any of it to be wrong. You just blather on.
>>>
>>> No proof. No authoritative support. Just your say-so.
>>>
>>> Blah, blah, blah: the stock-in-trade of the pathological liar.
>>
>>Lessee:
>>
>>You made the idiotic ass-ertion that internal energy = energy in - energy
>>out, and proclaimed this to be the 1st law of thermo.
>>I said that the 1st law of thermo states that dU = dQ - dW, with
>>commentary
>>on the nature of the differentials, and that this has *nothing* to do with
>>energy balance in the body, aside from the fact that the 1st law does in
>>fact govern the Universe.
>>
>>Your response?
>
> <sigh>
>
> "The first law of thermodynamics is satisfied in living (open) systems
> by properly accounting for the mass excreted and the heat radiated and
> exported in high entropy molecules."
> Fine EJ, Feinman RD. Thermodynamics of weight loss diets. Nutr Metab
> (Lond). 2004 Dec 8;1(1):15.
>
> You seem to be terribly confused, Kristofer Hogg. The authors of the
> foregoing article are professors in the Department of Biochemistry at
> SUNY Downstate Medical Center, just down the road from you. Perhaps
> you could go see them, and they could straighten you out.
>
> Poor Mr. Hogg!

Poor John Williams The Inept Plagiarist.
You found a cite that says the 1st law of thermo applies in biology.
Very good, as the the 1st law applies to the whole goddamm universe--which I
mentioned earlier.
You mis quoted it, mis-applied it.
And????
So now, you have AGAIN did yer little abbystract/citey thing, and have shown
*absolutely nothing*.
Btw, what are high entropy molecules? How do you think *their* energy is
calculated?

To quote the 1st law at all in diet situation is ridiculous. You could
also say quantum mechanics applies, as well as relativity.
Or string theory.
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Here's the real chuckle:

How long do you think jmw spent, on a Satiday, tryna find that totally
unnecessary cite?
With sweat dripping off his brow? From the time stamp, it looks like he
mighta stayed up all nite!!!
Hilarious!
Gotts 'mit, he's competitive if nothing else. Proly helps him keep his job.
Imagine the office party when he leaves....
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"Charles" <jrh.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:58:13 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay.DeleteThis@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
>>news:77sro257l6hbhit8f5r6hst1jd265qf0tb@4ax.com...
>>> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.DeleteThis@optonline2.718.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Dnia 2006-12-23 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>>> "Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl.DeleteThis@yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>>
>>> Oh, wait ... did I mention that you're a pathological liar?
>>
>>You did. It's irrelevant. As is my writing, N'Yawk accent (which my
>>shennanigans don't reflect, btw), ekc.
>> I don't mis-quote articles, cite irrelevant studies, mis-quote basic laws
>>of physics, mis-use the vocabulary of my own profession.
>>You do.
>>It's documented, at length, at this point.
>>You can protest for the newbies, but not even your circle-jerk buddeez can
>>help you here.
>>How come you never acknowledged your "conversely" faux pas??
>>The creatine?? The diet timing stupidness?
>>Now the 1st law of thermo...
>>It *is* a little embarrassing, idnit?
>>Of course, it's shameful that Charles didn't catch it, but he's
>>forgiven....
>
> You don't need any help from me PV, you're running rings round the
> silly bugger. He is hoist by his own petard again!
>
> HAGC! ;o)
>
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Shute wrote:
> JMW wrote:
[...]

> > Keep on sucking up to Hogg, Shute. Your
> > credibility will be judged accordingly.

John Williams, your credibility is squat in many respects, imo. You
barked or, more kindly put, suggested I visit you or give you a call.
When I requested your home address and/or phone number, well, you
quickly grew silent. You are a swaggering liar in that context and your
credibility should be judged accordingly as well.

Furthermore, have you ever explained the contradiction in your use of
the term conduit as a pejorative and your own examples of conduit
behavior? Likewise enabler. You have criticized others for replying to
patrons of this newsgroup you deem troll but have no compunction in
replying to those same individuals.

You are a laughable hypocrite, John, so, please do not preach about
credibility and judging others so easily.

> You said I don't have any credibility because I
> don't use my birth name. You have also already
> judged me and I doubt that will ever change.

No doubt. He's entrenched in his seeming unconscious incompetence in
that regard.

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"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net>
>> wrote:
>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Proctologically Addicted©®" <entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>How come you never acknowledged your "conversely" faux pas??
>>>>>>>The creatine?? The diet timing stupidness?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not acknowledged being wrong on those things because I wasn't.
>>>>>> And I'm smart enough not to get involved in a circular argument with a
>>>>>> troll.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, you're wiley enough to not embarrass yourself further ...
>>>>
>>>> No, you've never shown any of it to be wrong. You just blather on.
>>>>
>>>> No proof. No authoritative support. Just your say-so.
>>>>
>>>> Blah, blah, blah: the stock-in-trade of the pathological liar.
>>>
>>>Lessee:
>>>
>>>You made the idiotic ass-ertion that internal energy = energy in - energy
>>>out, and proclaimed this to be the 1st law of thermo.
>>>I said that the 1st law of thermo states that dU = dQ - dW, with
>>>commentary
>>>on the nature of the differentials, and that this has *nothing* to do with
>>>energy balance in the body, aside from the fact that the 1st law does in
>>>fact govern the Universe.
>>>
>>>Your response?
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>> "The first law of thermodynamics is satisfied in living (open) systems
>> by properly accounting for the mass excreted and the heat radiated and
>> exported in high entropy molecules."
>> Fine EJ, Feinman RD. Thermodynamics of weight loss diets. Nutr Metab
>> (Lond). 2004 Dec 8;1(1):15.
>>
>> You seem to be terribly confused, Kristofer Hogg. The authors of the
>> foregoing article are professors in the Department of Biochemistry at
>> SUNY Downstate Medical Center, just down the road from you. Perhaps
>> you could go see them, and they could straighten you out.
>>
>> Poor Mr. Hogg!
>
>You found a cite that says the 1st law of thermo applies in biology.
>Very good, as the the 1st law applies to the whole goddamm universe--which I
>mentioned earlier.

I responded directly to your assertion and showed it to be wrong. I
showed that by quoting the conclusion of respected biochemistry
professors in one of your local universities who were writing
specifically about the applicability of the laws of thermdynamics to
weight loss. Few references could have been *more* germane to the
issue you were raising.

You are a pathological liar who falsifies his qualifications,
including state-regulated certification under the laws of New York.

That is why you should not be believed.

You also tap dance, move the ball, and throw out strawmen whenever
someone debunks your false statements.

That is why you are a troll. And that is why there is no sense in
arguing with you.
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John Williams wrote:
[...]

> I have tried several times to give you a chance
> and respond to you civilly. Every time I do that,
> a few posts later you will act like a smartass little
> prick to me. You only get so many chances.

ahahHAHAH! Beauty.

"I... respond to you civilly... you... smartass little prick..."

Oh, sure, it's edited perhaps unfairly, but it's there. And it's the
gist from my perspective. The great wronged John Williams who responds
civilly while others simply blather on.

Po baby!

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"Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl RemoveThis @yahoo.BiteMeSpammer.com> schreef:

> MORE FOOD = MORE MUSCLE = LESS FLAB

Yes. In men with supraphysiological levels of androgens.

Or at least with high levels within the normal range.

Women cant build enough LBM to speed up the BMR.
Unless they hanky-panky a bit with nandrolone or methenolone.

> LESS FOOD = LESS MUSCLE = MORE FLAB

No.
Less food equals less flab.

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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> schreef:

> Let's remember several facts. One will build muscles while on
> hypercaloric diet even without weight training.

Are you sure?

I have seen it happen. But not in people with normal levels of androgens.

> One is able to lose
> fat on hypercaloric diet under special conditions (mainly
> supercompensation).

Yes, but than its no longer hyper, but turned into hypo.

> One is able to get fat on hypocaloric diet under
> special conditions (chronic overtraining).

I really have my doubts.

> Oh, something I happen to believe but can't prove: One will build
> muscles faster while staying fat as opposed to staying cut or ripped.

With this, i agree.

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Edna Pearl wrote:
[...]

> <snip> But the bottom line is still that I only burn a few
> calories picking up my kayak and putting it on the roof
> of my car. But the fact that I'm *strong* enough, and
> have built and maintain enough muscle mass, to pick
> up my kayak and put it on the roof of my car means that
> I'm burning more calories all the time, even sleeping,
> than I would if I don't lift. Merely counting calories-in
> and calories-out doesn't take this fact into account --
> which, again, is a very big deal for a short chick like me.
> Hence the statement copied above in this thread from
> the abs book: "Exercise is important, but the calories
> you burn off during exercise are not important." It's a
> striking little simplification of a very real phenomenon.
> I like it

And speaking of The Abs Diet or series of books, you may be interested
to take a peek in the latest orange-covered opus: _The Abs Diet Get Fit
Stay Fit Plan: The Exercise Program to Flatten Your Belly, Reshape Your
Body, and Give You Abs for Life!_
<http://www.amazon.com/Abs-Diet-Get-Stay-Plan/dp/1594864098/sr=11-1/qid=1166992509/ref=sr_11_1/002-1560302-6975262>


The book contains tons of different exercises. Perhaps there are some
roman chair substitutes as well.

> ep

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"The Old Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> Women cant build enough LBM to speed up the BMR.

Okay, I'll bite. You're kidding, right? Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate

Any increase in LBM speeds up BMR. Male or female.

ep
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