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Since: Oct 25, 2006 Posts: 388
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:05 pm
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Stu wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > <snip> curious about <snip> Arthur Jones schtufff
> > on arm measurements. <snip> Sergio's 20 1/8"
> > bicep/arm measurement was a straight arm or bent
> > at a 90 degree angle?
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> If you had a 20 1/8" bicep with your arm straight, wouldn't
> you want to measure it flexed and tell everyone you had
> a 22" arm?
Damn straight. Er, flexed. I mean...
Yes, I certainly would. But that doesn't answer my question.
1) I think it's safe to say that bodybuilders inflate measurements.
2) I'm not saying which is the correct way to measure arms. (Hey, with
a *14* 1/8" flexed, and bent at a 45 degree angle, too, arm
measurement, what difference does it make to me?)
3) I am, however, inclined to believe that when Jones mentioned a 20
1/8" measurement, that that number was taken with Sergio's biceps and
triceps muscles contracted to their utmost and with his arm bent at a
90 degree angle.
4) What was the question again?
Oh, yeah, if you had a gun to your head, Stu, (don't worry - a WATER
gun) and were asked to measure your arm, how - exactly - would you do
that? Not asking for a measurement, mind you, just curious about ye
olde procedural opinion-type comment.
I say it's like this: L (Imagine a little fist here and a little
deltoid there.)
Thanks for playing! Johnny, what do we have for our guests?
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Since: Nov 01, 2006 Posts: 47
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:26 pm
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Curt wrote:
> 1) I think it's safe to say that bodybuilders inflate measurements.
Yeah, sometimes with synthol...
> Oh, yeah, if you had a gun to your head, Stu, (don't worry - a WATER
> gun) and were asked to measure your arm, how - exactly - would you do
> that? Not asking for a measurement, mind you, just curious about ye
> olde procedural opinion-type comment.
At the largest point, when flexed, and probably with my arm at the
angle I would use for posing. 45 degrees is too much, 90 degrees too
little. I don't think there's probably a huge difference in arm
measurement between the two anyway.
Oh, and with two fingers inside the tape...
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Since: Sep 30, 2006 Posts: 548
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:37 pm
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Since: Sep 30, 2006 Posts: 548
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:38 pm
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Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 59
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:36 pm
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"Pete" <phoutstra RemoveThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 RemoveThis @netspace.net.au> schreef:
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> > unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
>
Stop it, now you're making me laugh! But seriously holmes, what's so funny?
Unless I am using some sort of non standard measuring technique, thems the
figures. Do they sound ridiculous? I wish you would elaborate more!
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Since: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 1472
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:36 pm
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"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:
>> > unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
> Stop it, now you're making me laugh! But seriously holmes, what's so
> funny?
The additional 3.3 inch.
> Unless I am using some sort of non standard measuring technique, thems the
> figures. Do they sound ridiculous?
Yes.
> I wish you would elaborate more!
See the other post.
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Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 59
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:43 pm
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"Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Curt" <curtjames DeleteThis @gmail.com> schreef:
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> >> > unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.
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> >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
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> > Stop laughing! I'm guessing that the additional muscle mass comes from
> > an interdimensional gateway, Pete.
>
> Its a 25% expansion.
>
> Sergio had a genuine 20 inch arm. I dont think he expaned to 24 inch. I
> believe he went from 20 to 21.5, due to flat biceps and rather flat, but
> massive, triceps.
>
> An 8% expansion.
>
> Arnold went from 19.5 to 22. That was a LOT! Arnold was the Pump Master.
>
> Still, thats "only" a 13% expansion...
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OK. This is the elaboration. Maybe I am measuring incorrectly. To get my
unflexed size, I am laying my arm out flat to take the measurement. I'm
guessing this is not the way to do it due to the massive amounts of laughter
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Since: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 1472
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:43 pm
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"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.DeleteThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:
>> >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
>> > Stop laughing! I'm guessing that the additional muscle mass comes from
>> > an interdimensional gateway, Pete.
>> Its a 25% expansion.
>> Sergio had a genuine 20 inch arm. I dont think he expaned to 24 inch. I
>> believe he went from 20 to 21.5, due to flat biceps and rather flat, but
>> massive, triceps.
>> An 8% expansion.
>> Arnold went from 19.5 to 22. That was a LOT! Arnold was the Pump Master.
>> Still, thats "only" a 13% expansion...
> OK. This is the elaboration. Maybe I am measuring incorrectly. To get my
> unflexed size, I am laying my arm out flat to take the measurement. I'm
> guessing this is not the way to do it due to the massive amounts of
> laughter
> in my ears.
Who is laughing?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
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Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 59
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:45 am
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I've put some very average pics up taken on my old phone camera. Thought it
may help with some of the doubts...Not that I _have_ to prove anything, but
I'm getting the vibe that some people here think I may be flat out lying.
While I have to take some responsibility for 'rounding up' and 'rounding
down', and possibly measuring incorrectly, as well as possibly showing some
early signs of senility in the form of an inaccurate memory, these pics
should give you some idea of what I'm talking about.
http://scarydakis.customer.netspace.net.au/trainingpics/
"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I have been weight training for a year now but before that I had never
done
> any form of exercise. I spent the first 3 months on machines and cardio 3
> times a week to get used to exercise. I then started on free weights 4
times
> a week with an additional 1 or 2 one hour cardio sessions in the form of
> power walking and running. When I started on the free weights, I consulted
a
> PT with the goal of toning/cutting. My regime consists of the following:
>
> 3 exercises for each muscle group
>
> 1st exercise in each group:
> 2x10 warm-up sets
> 3x8 heavy sets
> 1x10 warm-down (to failure)
>
> 2nd and 3rd
> 1x10 warm-up set
> 3x8 heavy sets
> 1x10 warm-down (to failure)
>
>
> On to my question/s. I am wondering how much muscle I may have gained in
the
> past year given my regime, genetics, age, medical factors etc? I am 37
> years old, 5'10" and when I started training I weighed 104kg (~229lbs).
> Even though genetically I am a heavy build, I was overweight! I am minus
a
> thyroid gland and have syndrome-x (an insulin resistance which untreated,
> can lead to type-2 diabetes).
>
> As an indication, 9 months ago a friend suggested measuring my arms. They
> were 11 inches. 9 months later they are 17 inches. That's the only
> measurement I took. I now weigh 90kg (~198lbs). I gather I have lost more
> than 14kg of fat but I'm wondering how much I have gained in muscle mass?
I
> guessed about 4kg. Is this ridiculous or sound about right?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Steph.
>
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:45 am
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Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 59
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:37 pm
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"Tom Anderson" <twic.RemoveThis@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Stephan Carydakis wrote:
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> > http://scarydakis.customer.netspace.net.au/trainingpics/
>
> Ah, the old T610! I remember those. All my mates got them just after i'd
> got a T68, the bastards. Those were the days.
yeah it was awesome when it first hit the market. Still has lots of
features. Just lacks in display, sound and camera quality as well as lack of
memory and slower processor speeds. So, I'm going to throw it away now...
>
> tom
>
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Since: Oct 29, 2005 Posts: 629
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:09 pm
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Dnia 2006-11-29 Stephan Carydakis napisał(a):
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> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4t57dnF12548rU1@mid.individual.net...
>> 10 x 18kg
>> 10 x 20kg
>> 10 x 22kg
>>
>
> Cool! Hey all my DB's are standing rotating curls. My PT said the rotation
> was good so I've always done them like that except I used to do them seated.
> I actually like doing them standing over seated. Is there a big difference
> or advantage with seated?
Not for biceps. For the rest of your body and for general fat loss
there is some advantage. You burn more energy standing then sitting.
If one applies this "rule" to do all exercises standing, if possible,
things would add up. Also, to be able to lift heavy things standing,
especially overhead, one must develop some core muscles. This also
will add up.
> Do you have an incline while doing that? I've seen
> guys do incline seated DB curls
They activate long head of biceps more (long head is closer to elbow)
so if someone has short peaky biceps, they might switch to seated
inclines to slowly change it.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:57 pm
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Dnia 2006-11-29 Bully napisał(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-11-29 Stephan Carydakis napisał(a):
>>>
>>> hehe. I think I've done enough and I'm not really that fussed. I
>>> really only compare me to me. If I'm stagnating, I want to find
>>> something different so as to get moving again. Yes, the male of the
>>> species likes to but heads, especially when T is involved. And like
>>> any man, I can't help but join in from time to time. It's natural,
>>> but not always healthy. Still, I would be interested in what I can
>>> do in this exercise. I've seen guys at the gym hanging plates of
>>> that belt doing pull-ups. Should I do it over or under hand?
>>
>> Whatever you prefer, but generally underhand grip, slightly narrower
>> than shoulder width is stronger for most people.
>
> Why is it stronger,
Your biceps can work efficiently.
> and is that necessarily a good thing?
Why not? More weight moved through the same distance means that you do
more work, so you'll build more muscle mass.
> Doesn't an
> overhand [pronotated] grip isolate the lats more which is generally the
> purpose of this exercise?
I do this exercise to get bigger. I don't care if it will be my lats,
rhomboids, teres minor or brachioradialis. I want all of them bigger.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:01 pm
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Dnia 2006-11-29 Stephan Carydakis napisał(a):
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> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> When you'll finally cut, they should look monstrous.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think I could give up one of my favourite past times
> which involves stimulating my taste buds with food I don't really _need_ to
> eat.
So do not cut. You'll build more mass while staying soft. Once your
progress will stall you might think about showing all of this, but
there is no hurry. Being you, I'd bulk the hell out of me.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:54 pm
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rich.RemoveThis@NOTyahoo.com wrote:
> "Stephan Carydakis" wrote:
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> ><snip> As I said, 12 months ago, I weighed
> >104KG and I'm somewhere around 90 at the
> moment <snip>
>
> Your arms went from about 11.3 to 16.8 while
> losing over thirty pounds over a 12 month period?
> That is a pretty good trick. How do you gain
> that much muscle while in a catabolic state?
> Did you forget to tell us about the implants?
> Or are you from the planet Remulak?
heh
I love planet jokes. Still pretty pissed about the whole Pluto
business, actually.
Anyway, the OP explained elsewhere that
a) he can't - with absolute certainty - state that his arm was 11.3
inches at the onset of his training.
b) he was commenting on his nonflexed and straight arm measurement for
the "before" measurement.
c) he was measuring that "before" measurement in a straight and
unflexed position.
d) he was furthermore measuring his unflexed arm nearer the elbow and
less towards his triceps thus noting a smaller measurement than what
may have actually been there to measure.
I think those are the pertinent bullet point-type things to include in
the size saga.
Uh, I'm not Stephan Carydakis and nor do I portray him on television.
> Rich
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