Lyle's books - anyone read?

I'll pay you $5 to stop pretending like you know a fukn thing about
evolution--or science.
There are numerous examples, evolutionary ones, to show that this is *not*
so, in the general case, but *might* be so in regional cases.
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> "Steve Freides" <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote >>
>>> "determined" <determined RemoveThis @comcast.nest> wrote
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote >>
>>>>> "determined" <determined RemoveThis @comcast.nest> wrote
>>>>>> Lyle is a pretty prolific writer, and I'm interested in reading one
>>>>>> of his books. I'm not sure which one to start with though, he seems
>>>>>> to have several that touch on my goals of overall fat loss and muscle
>>>>>> retention. As a female who has been pretty diligent with diet and
>>>>>> exercise for 6 months, I seem to have hit a wall. The weight and fat
>>>>>> came off pretty consistantly, and then it just tapered off to a
>>>>>> snail's pace. I still exercise 4 days a week, and my calories are
>>>>>> still below maintenance, but I'm at a plateau.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking at the books he has available, like the Rapid
>>>>>> Fatloss Handbook, and Ultimate Diet. If anyone has read one or both
>>>>>> of these, could you shed some light on which one may be most
>>>>>> applicable to me? I'm not looking for a quick fix, I don't care if it
>>>>>> takes a year to get where I want to be. I'm looking for a program or
>>>>>> method I can apply to my life that will just enhance or maximize my
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read 'em all. For me, Rapid Fat Loss Handbook (the PSMF diet
>>>>> book) was an epiphany...greatly improving my health and simplifying
>>>>> the maintenance of desired body weight. But, it sounds like you want a
>>>>> slower, more gradual (for me, torturous) approach, so, "A Guide To
>>>>> Flexible Dieting" might be more appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> About 3 months ago, I would have definitely gone for the "rapid"
>>>> approach. But at this point, I'm settling more into the idea that this
>>>> is a permanent change in my way of life, that incorporates regular
>>>> exercise and healthy diet, forever. I'd like to improve my body
>>>> composition as well, but my chief goal now is fitness.
>>>
>>> I have the same goal, but have figured out a way to do it that "works"
>>> for me. I hate...no, HATE!!!!...maintenance or slightly below
>>> maintenance eating. It is sheer torture for me. So, using periodic PSMF
>>> diets...as often and for as long as necessary...I fluctuate between as
>>> lean as I want to be and as fat as I'm willing to tolerate.
>>>
>>> My diet on a PSMF is relatively healthy due to a shitload of supplements
>>> to replace all the good stuff in carbs, and my diet off PSMF is as
>>> healthy as I want it to be, with no specific caloric restrictions.
>>>
>>> It works for me.
>>>
>>> Your's, or anyone else's, results may vary.
>>
>> I think there is a lot to be said for cyclic eating once you get to a
>> basically healthy weight. Our bodies seem to like it, and at the very
>> least, I think it prevents us from taking eating for granted.
>
> I hadn't thought of that aspect before, but you are correct. Cyclic eating
> certainly mimics our evolutionary patterns.
>
> A nice broiled mastodon steak would taste good right now...
>
> David
>
>
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This gave me away--ahm sposed to workin over here, and when I crack up, the
Wife starts yellin, Get off the Web!!
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> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:20:30 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <24-dncu6jZrKRcXYnZ2dnUVZ_h2dnZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <kcmunchkin RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1163445291.942261.142450@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > determined wrote:
>>> >> Lyle is a pretty prolific writer, and I'm interested in reading one
>>> >> of
>>> >> his
>>> >> books.
>>> >
>>> > lyle managed to jump on the atkins-style diet bandwagon 3-4 (or, was
>>> > is
>>> > 5-6?) years after this type of dieting started to come back after the
>>> > WBF/DiPasquale debacle in 1992. opitimum training systems started
>>> > pushing dipasquale's "anabolic diet" in their follow-up to serious
>>> > growth/bulgarian burst called serious growth 3: big beyond belief.
>>> >
>>> > didn't he start out at like 174 with a high bf% and get down somewhere
>>> > into the 150's? i can't remember what his first posts were like, but
>>> > it seemed something like that.
>>> >
>>> > either way, he was/is just another guy with a library card who managed
>>> > to repackage a diet and sell it as his own.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Unlike yourself, who doesn't have a library card and couldn't repackage
>>> a
>>> Tonka toy.
>>>
>>> Whatever you say about Lyle, he does do his research. So much, that he
>>> reviews a research article every week on his e-mail weekly publication.
>>> And
>>> he has read thousands of them as well. How many research reports have
>>> you
>>> read?
>>>
>>> And he fields questions from people as well. And answers them on weekly
>>> newsletter. And his knowldge is such, that he is able to talk to the
>>> top
>>> trainers in the country as an equal. They all know who he is. Does
>>> anybody
>>> know who you are?
>>>
>>>
>>Like any good scientist Lyle builds on the works of others. That is what
>>science is all about.
>
> Newton stood on the shoulders of giants.
>
> Lyle slithers into their ear canals and jabs at their eardrums with a BBQ
> fork.
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

Dnia 2006-11-14 Hobbes napisa³(a):
> Like any good scientist Lyle builds on the works of others. That is what
> science is all about. He gives full credit to the Bodyopus diet and uses
> references in his book.

DZ is a scientist; Lyle, for all I know, is a scholar who was a
scientist once.

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"Shute" <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote
> "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote:
<some boring douchebag troll stuff>

> Dave is a WebTV convert. You can't take anything he says too
> seriously.

Cute couple: the boring douchebag troll and the idiotta di tutti idiotta.

David
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

But of course, you ducked the real issue.
Quick: Wikipedia...
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> "Shute" <Shute.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote
>> "Proctologically Violated©®" wrote:
> <some boring douchebag troll stuff>
>
>> Dave is a WebTV convert. You can't take anything he says too
>> seriously.
>
> Cute couple: the boring douchebag troll and the idiotta di tutti idiotta.
>
> David
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

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Joe Humble <joehumble.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:49:21 -0500, "Steve Freides"
><steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What are lyle's credentials and why should I trust anything he says?
>>
>>He's smart enough to have stopped frequenting mfw - 'nuff said 'cause,
>>right there, he's smarter than all of us here.
>
>Eh, if you enjoy the drama it is actually rather amusing. Was he one
>of those types who took it WAY too personally?

Y'mean like that Mike Lane dude?
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

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Joe Humble <joehumble DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:41:10 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
><leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><kcmunchkin DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1163445291.942261.142450@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> determined wrote:
>>>> Lyle is a pretty prolific writer, and I'm interested in reading one of
>>>> his
>>>> books.
>>>
>>> lyle managed to jump on the atkins-style diet bandwagon 3-4 (or, was is
>>> 5-6?) years after this type of dieting started to come back after the
>>> WBF/DiPasquale debacle in 1992. opitimum training systems started
>>> pushing dipasquale's "anabolic diet" in their follow-up to serious
>>> growth/bulgarian burst called serious growth 3: big beyond belief.
>>>
>>> didn't he start out at like 174 with a high bf% and get down somewhere
>>> into the 150's? i can't remember what his first posts were like, but
>>> it seemed something like that.
>>>
>>> either way, he was/is just another guy with a library card who managed
>>> to repackage a diet and sell it as his own.
>>>
>>
>>Unlike yourself, who doesn't have a library card and couldn't repackage a
>>Tonka toy.
>>
>>Whatever you say about Lyle, he does do his research. So much, that he
>>reviews a research article every week on his e-mail weekly publication. And
>>he has read thousands of them as well. How many research reports have you
>>read?
>
>Hmm, it pays to be wary of people who learn via journal articles. It
>is possible to sound very smart but be really quite deficient in the
>basics.
>
>I don't know if that applies to him but if that is his main claim to
>fame I'd be less than impressed.

I guess the converse can be true. I remember one guy here who was
taking a pre-med course and started offering assinine speculations
based on isolated factoids he learned in class.
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> Joe Humble <joehumble.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:41:10 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
>><leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><kcmunchkin.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1163445291.942261.142450@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> determined wrote:
>>>>> Lyle is a pretty prolific writer, and I'm interested in reading one of
>>>>> his
>>>>> books.
>>>>
>>>> lyle managed to jump on the atkins-style diet bandwagon 3-4 (or, was is
>>>> 5-6?) years after this type of dieting started to come back after the
>>>> WBF/DiPasquale debacle in 1992. opitimum training systems started
>>>> pushing dipasquale's "anabolic diet" in their follow-up to serious
>>>> growth/bulgarian burst called serious growth 3: big beyond belief.
>>>>
>>>> didn't he start out at like 174 with a high bf% and get down somewhere
>>>> into the 150's? i can't remember what his first posts were like, but
>>>> it seemed something like that.
>>>>
>>>> either way, he was/is just another guy with a library card who managed
>>>> to repackage a diet and sell it as his own.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Unlike yourself, who doesn't have a library card and couldn't repackage a
>>>Tonka toy.
>>>
>>>Whatever you say about Lyle, he does do his research. So much, that he
>>>reviews a research article every week on his e-mail weekly publication.
>>>And
>>>he has read thousands of them as well. How many research reports have
>>>you
>>>read?
>>
>>Hmm, it pays to be wary of people who learn via journal articles. It
>>is possible to sound very smart but be really quite deficient in the
>>basics.
>>
>>I don't know if that applies to him but if that is his main claim to
>>fame I'd be less than impressed.
>
> I guess the converse can be true. I remember one guy here who was
> taking a pre-med course and started offering assinine speculations
> based on isolated factoids he learned in class.

Actually, johnny, it's more like the inverse. sheeesh.....
Look up converse, inverse, obverse, reverse....
Consider:
John frees all the guilty and John jails all the innocent
The latter is actually the inverse of the obverse.
The converse of either of the above statements would in fact make a
competent lawyer.

But then, paralegals just have to get citations right, in approximately the
right context.
Hopefully you can do that.
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>
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay.TakeThisOut@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:
>
>Actually, johnny, it's more like the inverse. sheeesh.....
>Look up converse, inverse, obverse, reverse....
>Consider:
>John frees all the guilty and John jails all the innocent
>The latter is actually the inverse of the obverse.
>The converse of either of the above statements would in fact make a
>competent lawyer.

<yawn> I suppose you have a PhD in English, too? You still haven't
mentioned where you got your BS in Physics, your BS in Chemistry, your
MS in Nutrition, your MS in Biochemistry, and where you were studying
for your PhD in Enzyme Kinetics. Perhaps you missed the question.

BTW, are you related to Neal Fabian?
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read? 

<yawn>???
After you've been caught but once again, you fake-assed ignerint fraud??

Yeah, you ignerint-assed paralegal, mebbe I just got my GED, but at least I
know how to use "converse" correctly.
And you went to law school?? Gradurated college?? Pity the foo's you work
with...
Still cain't calculate the caloric work done in lifting a weight, eh? Want
some hints?
You don't get it, do you?

See, the diff between you and the rest of the normal world is that you are
obsessed w/ validation/credibility, since you yerself don't have any, which
you prove virtually *every time you post*--this last one being a classic.
A "supposed" fukn lawyer who cain't use "converse" correckly??
Just what does that say?? That your education, whatever it was, was
useless.

Regardless of whether I have or don't have degrees, I don't make elementary
errors like you, who basically cites bullshit refs, quotes more bullshit and
abstracts, but really don't have a clue as to what they're talking about--as
per Joe Humble's very astute observation of citation w/o knowing basics.

In fact, citation of research w/o knowing the basics is almost pointless,
the yappings of amateurs, as almost anything can be proven by bullshit
research.
Which is why you stopped talking about the actin/myosin stuff, because when
it gets beyond the abstract, you don't have a *fukn clue* as to what's goin
on.
Why'd you stop, johnny? You were goin good for a while.

In grad school, we took a full semester course in just *analyzing* classic
research papers in biochem--2 to 3 students per paper, each group giving a
presentation. A *miserably difficult* course, w/ the professor herself not
knowing half of what was going on most of them time, because most of the
articles were outside of her specialty, and with us invariably winding up w/
more questions than answers.
It is *very* difficult to grok research papers.
Read Peter Menards (nobel laureate in med) comments in Justin's The Eighth
Day of Creation, concerning the deliberate crypticness of research. Never
mind the fraud.
Or Watson himself in The Double Helix.

If you are trying to duplicate some part of another researcher's work, and
you call them up for clarification, most of the time they won't have a *fukn
clue* as to what you are talking about, or what THEY were talking about in
their own paper. Often they won't return your calls, hoping you'll just go
away.
Etc.
But of course, you already knew this.
Oh, gee, I wonder what school dat was.... I musta been makin it all up.

So, tell us, what fraction of caloric expenditure of a lift comes from the
eccentric contraction? How could one determine this experimentally?
Actin-myosin interactions gotcher tongue, johnny?
Got a prostitution/vandalism case to prosecute, I mean, research??
bitch....
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> "Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay DeleteThis @optonline2.718.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>Actually, johnny, it's more like the inverse. sheeesh.....
>>Look up converse, inverse, obverse, reverse....
>>Consider:
>>John frees all the guilty and John jails all the innocent
>>The latter is actually the inverse of the obverse.
>>The converse of either of the above statements would in fact make a
>>competent lawyer.
>
> <yawn> I suppose you have a PhD in English, too? You still haven't
> mentioned where you got your BS in Physics, your BS in Chemistry, your
> MS in Nutrition, your MS in Biochemistry, and where you were studying
> for your PhD in Enzyme Kinetics. Perhaps you missed the question.
>
> BTW, are you related to Neal Fabian?
>
 >> Stay informed about: Lyle's books - anyone read?