Advice needed - newbie

Cohen wrote:
> "Bully" wrote
> > "Shute" wrote
> >> "Bully" wrote:
[...]

> >>>> You mean pushups?
> >>>
> >>> No, in English, they are, always have been,
> >>> and hopefully always will be press-ups!
> >>
> >> Not in American English.
> >
> > What's your point?
>
> That Unitedstatesofamericanese is the more perfected,
> more highly evolved, form of English.

That's unpossible!

> David

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 smokejo RemoveThis @googlemail.com wrote:

> What I'm worried is that if I do start eating a lot more, this will go
> straight to the belly. I guess I have to eat *and* make sure I maintain
> an increasing fitness regime.

You will almost certainly put on fat as well as muscle. That's just the
way the cookie crumbles .

> Am popping down to Argos to get some of those items Tom mentioned
> earlier...

Great. Good luck!

> just one more question, and please forgive me if this sounds silly...Tom
> mentioned to do bench presses on the ball (which Andre later said wasn't
> a good idea due to its rating)...

Which was a very good point. You shouldn't put more than 125 kg on it,
which is your current weight plus 60 kg. That's enough for now, since
that's only a 50 kg weight set, but you'll want to be adding more weight
(by buying more plates) at some point. You might therefore be better off
getting a more heavy-duty ball, which should be easy to get in a proper
sports store. Or, if you have some piece of furniture you can use for
bench presses, just use that.

> how exactly is this done? Do you lay on the ball and bench press?

Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:

http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html

It's less stable than a bench for pressing, so it gives you some stability
training as well as strength, although you might find you can't lift as
much as on a bench. Also, note that you're doing them with dumbbells
rather than a bar - if you're working out without a spotter, that's a good
principle anyway, as it's much harder to injure yourself if you drop the
weight that way.

Are you familiar with ExRx:

http://www.exrx.net/

? It's very helpful, particularly the exercise directory:

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

For example, the exercises i suggested in my previous post:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/PectoralSternal/DBBenchPress.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/BackGeneral/DBBentOverRow.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/LatissimusDorsi/WtPullup.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/LatissimusDorsi/WtUnderhandChinup.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/DBShoulderPress.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidLateral/DBUprightRow.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Biceps/DBCurl.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/DBOneArmTriExt.html

Although i would (and do) do things standing rather than sitting, in the
cases where ExRx shows that, and i wouldn't (and don't) do curls and
tripce extensions, since the other exercises should work the arms out
adequately.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
> Curt wrote:
[...]

> > FORGET exercise ball benching. Just use
> > a regular bench.
>
> That's good advice - if you have a bench!

heh )

True.

But which would be more likely to be found in a home? An exercise ball
or a sturdy flat surface?

My first bench was a picnic bench. Iirc, I sometimes put a folded towel
down for some padding. And people have been known to bench on the
floor. I, for one (being ultimately uncoordinated and certainly doomed
to roll immediately off of any exercise ball), would absolutely fill a
cardboard box with magazines and then drape that folded bath towel on
top for needed padding as my makeshift bench before I'd risk rolling
sidewise off an inflated globe. Ymmv, naturally.

> tom

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Shute wrote:
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> As soon as the white folks figure out what they
> are saying new words emerge to replace them.

Good.

http://urbandictionary.com/

Keep up!

> Did you ever see the movie Airplane? I was watching
> this show and they where talking about a clip in that
> where no one can understand what the two black
> guys are saying. They even had a translation scroll
> on the screen.

I remember that scene.

> That was way back before ebonics really kicked in.

That was also waaaay back when they used something called humor in
movies. You do realize that Airplane was a comedy and not a
documentary, right? ;o)

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Pete wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic.TakeThisOut@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
>> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:
>>
>> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html
>
> What a weird exercise.
>
> Whats the point?

It's how you do a bench press if you don't have a bench. That's all.

tom

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"Tom Anderson" <twic.RemoveThis@urchin.earth.li> schreef:

> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:

> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html

What a weird exercise.

Whats the point?

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Shute wrote:
> "Curt" <curtjames DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That was also waaaay back when they used something
> > called humor in movies. <snip>
>
> That is why I liked Borat so much. I actually laughed throughout
> the movie.

I haven't seen Borat yet. Bought the Rolling Stone magazine with the
Sacha Baron Cohen interview, but not sure if I'm going to the movie. I
want lifted OUT of my life by entertainment. Escapism. Borat is too
close to home for this dork nerd with bad hair.

> Most modern movies are considered funny if they can just
> barely crack a smile. I watched Starsky and Hutch and didn't
> laugh once the entire movie.

heh )

I have the first season of the TV show on DVD. Starsky and Hutch was
the coolest show on the planet back then. Huggy Bear, the Torino, the
best.

http://www.starskytorino.com/

And I sported a perm in the '70s not because of the frigging Brady
Bunch but because Paul Michael Glaser was The Man! His cool, however
and unfortunately, did not translate well via perm solution. In fact,
it made me look like your buddy Borat now that I think of it. BAH!

> A more modern comic genius is Office Space. I think everyone I know
> got a kick out of that one.

Mike Judge rocks. I loved that movie.

Nothing beats Mel Brooks, though. Space Balls! 'nuff said.

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Cohen wrote:
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re technogamergeekspeak

> <snip> seems to be the native language over at
> Lyle's bodyrecomposition.com forum.

Was that just spam? Did you just spam for Lyle? You tricky devil.

> David

Hey, play black 8 on any roulette table. You'll thank me.

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"Shute" <Shute.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>What a weird exercise.

>>Whats the point?

> Is it wrong to feel like running up and kicking the ball?

Depends who is on it ;-O

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Dnia 2006-11-26 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Pete wrote:
>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic RemoveThis @urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>>
>>> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:
>>>
>>> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html
>>
>> What a weird exercise.
>>
>> Whats the point?
>
> It's how you do a bench press if you don't have a bench. That's all.

I did similar stuff (not with a ball, but with back support and ass off
the ground). The biggest problem is to get your dumbbells on your lap
and grab them firmly. The next problem is that all the weight is
pushing against your shoulder blades, firmly planting them to your
support. It's not good from the point of view of overuse injury potential.
Then comes this bull about "stabilizers". I do ring dips three times a
week for a month, and only recently I started to feel like I'm working
my muscles instead of just increasing my skill. Too much instability
is not good. It limits the amount of force your muscles can develop,
so it limits the overload you are able to put on them.

As I said, weighted push-ups do work. If one wants to use dumbbells,
various flyes also do work. Ones I found particularly effective were
"decline" flyes, where you lie on the floor, bend your knees and lift
your butt off the ground. One may do floor V-presses (up and out) and
then finish with a fly motion. Inclines done is similar fashion also
work all right. Old-school crucifix flyes are also nice addition for
upper chest.

Stability ball is IMHO good for ab work and glute-ham-raises, but
that's it. Anyway, good stability ball shouldn't be any cheaper then
simple flat bench, which actually works fine for _benches_.

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"Shute" <Shute.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:44:44 -0000, "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok>
> wrote:
>
>>>> What I've started doing is 30 pressups
>>>
>>> You mean pushups?
>>
>>No, in English, they are, always have been, and hopefully always will be
>>press-ups!
>
> Not in American English.

What's your point?

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