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Hugh Beyer

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:00 pm
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"Kevin J. Coolidge" <kcool.TakeThisOut@epix.net> wrote in
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> "Google Beta User" <majiin99.TakeThisOut@cs.com> wrote in message
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>> << not weight training for lower body is going to affect lower body
>> muscularity and upper body as well, though there's no need for workouts
>> longer than an hour.>>
>>
>> It's hard not to go over an hour when you take into account stretching.
>> And unfortunately, sometimes there are too many people (yes, I go to
>> Bally's). I'll try and start doing the 6 am thingy. Hey, I'll try.
>>
>> << My leg day is actually only 45 minutes, and it's enough. I do speed
>> training, specifically sprints. They are anaerobic and great for calves
>> and hams. They don't do much for my quads. Sprints up hills should be
>> good for glutes and quads, but I'd rather do squats. I do sleep the 8
>> hours a night, but I don't watch much tv or party much anymore. If you
>> are only working 8
>> hour days, I would think that possible, more and it gets harder. It
>> isn't always easy to do, but I manage most of the time.>>
>>
>> No offense, but I find it hard to have a profesional and social life
>> PLUS some personal time and still find 8 hours a night to sleep.
>>
>> << I hate jogging and I think that's hard on my knees, though sprints
>> aren't >>
>>
>> Do sprints/hills burn fat calories like running even though it's
>> anaerobic?
>>
>> << I feel that hitting the big muscle groups once a week is enough like
>> back, chest etc, but I like to hit my arms once directly and once
>> indirectly. I don't know why you would train traps unless you are a
>> specific strength athlete, such as a thrower or strongman competitor.
>>>>
>>
>> Eh. It's just that if I'm working out my shoulders I might as well
>> develop the traps too. I don't want to have that "look" in which only
>> my chest and biceps are puffed up.
>>
>> << If you do heavy deadlifts or cleans, you can save time.>>
>>
>> Are deadlifts a back or a hamstring exercise?
>>
>> << I work out 4 times a week in the wt. room. about an hour. >>
>>
>> Mind posting your routines?
>>
>> << Oh, stretching before lifting is a waste of time and
>> can limit strength. Warming up is a waste too. >>
>>
>> Saywha?? Seriously, that's the FIRST time I've heard that.
>
> Deadlifts are great for back and hams. Actually, the work almost
> everything except the pushing muscles like chest and tri and delts. They
> work rear delts. Look up on stretching and warmup, or read Pavel. I
> don't warm up anymore, I stretch between my sets to save time.

There's a lot of debate about whether not warming up is safe. Keith and
others have argued for warmups that consist of a couple of sets of
whatever exercise you're doing, starting light and ramping up to your
working weight for the day. That's quicker than stretching and gets you
ready for the work.

Hugh


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(Msg. 32) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:42 pm
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"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in news:3bnu0aF6k1ednU1
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> "Google Beta User" <majiin99 DeleteThis @cs.com> wrote in message
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>>>> 6 - Is giving up squats harmful?
>>>
>>>Yes, why not decrease the volume and just work on getting them
>> stronger
>>
>> Hmm, let me modify for squats:
>>
>>> So my new routine would be:
>>> M - Chest (8 sets) Tue - Lat (8 sets)
>>> Thu - Traps (3 sets) Fri - Bis (3 sets)
>>> Delts (3 sets) Tris(3 sets)
>>
>> How about adding 3 sets each of squats and calves on the 6 set days?
>>
>> Remember, my goal is to be in and out of the gym. Idealy Go in at 8.30
>> p.m, stretch until 8:45, lift, stretch at 9:15, and then be OFF of the
>> gym floor by 9:30....
>
> How about if you bench press then deadlift or squat 4 days per week,
> each lift for 3 sets of 5 reps? That should do a lot of what you want
> while taking very little time in the gym. You could even bench press
> one day, deadlift or squat the next, 5 sets of 5 reps on a single
> exercise for each workout. That would get you 2 bench sessions plus 2
> dl or sq sessions (or one of each, dl and sq) per week Simple, short,
> to the point.
>
> -S-
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>
>
>

Don't think that combo would work as well as DL/side press. Squats doesn't
hit upper body at all, and BP is all pecs, tris, and front delts. DL's at
least work the pulling muscles isometrically.

Hugh

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:26 am
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> > 3 - Does anyone actually get the recommended 8 hours of sleep?

>Ha. Good one.

I think you have to be self-employed and childless for that.

LM (self-employed and childless)
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:14 am
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"Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote in message
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> "Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in
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>
>> "Google Beta User" <majiin99 DeleteThis @cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:1112980130.618736.297970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> 6 - Is giving up squats harmful?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, why not decrease the volume and just work on getting them
>>> stronger
>>>
>>> Hmm, let me modify for squats:
>>>
>>>> So my new routine would be:
>>>> M - Chest (8 sets) Tue - Lat (8 sets)
>>>> Thu - Traps (3 sets) Fri - Bis (3 sets)
>>>> Delts (3 sets) Tris(3 sets)
>>>
>>> How about adding 3 sets each of squats and calves on the 6 set days?
>>>
>>> Remember, my goal is to be in and out of the gym. Idealy Go in at
>>> 8.30
>>> p.m, stretch until 8:45, lift, stretch at 9:15, and then be OFF of
>>> the
>>> gym floor by 9:30....
>>
>> How about if you bench press then deadlift or squat 4 days per week,
>> each lift for 3 sets of 5 reps? That should do a lot of what you
>> want
>> while taking very little time in the gym. You could even bench press
>> one day, deadlift or squat the next, 5 sets of 5 reps on a single
>> exercise for each workout. That would get you 2 bench sessions plus
>> 2
>> dl or sq sessions (or one of each, dl and sq) per week Simple,
>> short,
>> to the point.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> Don't think that combo would work as well as DL/side press. Squats
> doesn't
> hit upper body at all, and BP is all pecs, tris, and front delts. DL's
> at
> least work the pulling muscles isometrically.

It's not so terribly, IMHO. I don't think "work as well" is the issue,
but rather whether it would produce results at all.

Pecs are missing from PTP's DL/SP combination. I agree DL's are
preferable to SQ's, all other things being, but all other things are
rarely equal - depends on what one is after. I don't think the
popularity of the squat in the weight room of many sports teams is an
accident. And one can add something to work the shoulder more fully as
a third exercise if desired - far be it from me to champion the bench
press, and I haven't benched since my last meet which was about 5 months
ago.

But many people do well, PTP not withstanding, DL'ing and SQ'ing once
per week each, or SQ'ing most of the time and DL'ing hardly at all.

Me, I'll stick to the DL and the kettlebell military press as my two
core movements.

-S-
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:17 am
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"zamhoudi" <zamhoudi RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>2 - Is running really bad for your knees? I am defintely NOT doing any
> step machine or treadmill. That drives me nuts, I've got to be on the
> road to do my running. Two of my friends have given up running and
> switched to biking and swimming, because they said they were worried
> about their knees. My argument is that they're probably using shitty
> running shoes. I think running shoes are one of the things where you
> actually get what you pay for. A $120 shoe IS worth it.
>
> Running is not bad for knee...except maybe for older people who has
> previous knee problem or injuries. Other factor could be the shoes
> they
> used for running. Running shoe is diffrent with cross-trekking shoe,
> etc. i recommend you to look for Nike running shoe. probably the best
> in market so far

There's no such thing as a "best" running shoe any more than there's a
"best" weight lifting program - different shoes work best for different
people with different biomechanical issues, different running goals,
etc. For me, the least running shoe I can get, which is a racing flat
and costs $50, is the best shoe, and I have no problems with it and it's
the only shoe that gives me no problems. (Donovan doesn't consider my
shoes flats but, hey, they're the closest thing to a flat I can get that
also fits my fat foot.)

-S-
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:29 am
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In article <1112982232.370905.152770.DeleteThis@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Google Beta User" <majiin99.DeleteThis@cs.com> writes:
[snip]
>
> I get 'a high' of sorts from exercising (both running and lifting
> weights), I do a lot of thinking and reflecting while in the gym or on
> the road. Then also ofcourse, I want to be generally fit (energetic
> and strong) and to look good of course - yeah, who doesn't want to look
> good when they take of their shirt? I DON'T want the skinny magazine
> model look though.
[snip]

This is kind of confusing. You originally said you wanted to keep
your sessions down to 75 minutes or less, in part to keep your
motivation up. Now you say working out gives you a pleasant feeling,
time for reflection and makes you look good.

Those aren't motivation enough?

My current schedule is three times a week--twice during the week and
on one week-end day. I spend nearly two hours on weekdays and up to
3-1/2 on weekends.

Then again: I'm just starting out. Maybe it'll wear thin after a
while. I hope not, though.

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:39 am
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"Google Beta User" <majiin99.TakeThisOut@cs.com> wrote in news:1112996196.260841.254340
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> Ok, a modified program to include deadlifts and squats:
>
> DAY 1: 4 sets bench press, 4 sets cable crossover, abwork
> DAY 2: Pullups (however many sets it takes to do 30), 4 sets
> Deadlifts*, 3 set calves.
> DAY 3: 4 sets Squat, 3 sets Biceps, abwork
> DAY 4: 4 sets Standing Military Press, 3 sets triceps, 3 sets calves.
>
> * Will it help to incorporate an extra 'barbell shrug' at the end of
> each deadlift rep?
>
> I think this workout hits the ENTIRE body. Short (no more than 11 sets
> on any one day). A combination of compound movements and also isolation
> exercises. Large muscle groups (Back, Chest, Quads) get hit once a
> week. Small muscle groups get twice. Are erector spinae/lower back,
> traps & hamstrings covered with this workout? Can calves be cut down to
> once a week?
>
>

Put a rest day between days 2 and 3.

Hugh

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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:16 am
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On 2005-04-09, zamhoudi <zamhoudi DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> used for running. Running shoe is diffrent with cross-trekking shoe,
> etc. i recommend you to look for Nike running shoe. probably the best
> in market so far

Brand is mostly a matter of personal preference. Nike make good
running shoes. But so do Asics, Mizuno, New Balance, Brooks, Saucony and
Adidas. The primary consideration should be which brand has the right fit
and the right feel for you. I prefer Mizuno for training shoes, Asics for
midweight flats, Nike for light flats, XC shoes and spikes.

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:24 am
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On 2005-04-09, Steve Freides <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> There's no such thing as a "best" running shoe any more than there's a
> "best" weight lifting program - different shoes work best for different
> people with different biomechanical issues, different running goals,
> etc. For me, the least running shoe I can get, which is a racing flat
> and costs $50, is the best shoe, and I have no problems with it and it's
> the only shoe that gives me no problems. (Donovan doesn't consider my
> shoes flats but, hey, they're the closest thing to a flat I can get that
> also fits my fat foot.)

Speaking of flats for "fat feet", the NB RX 230 and RX240 shoes (these are
XC flats built on a spike last) do come in 2E width. I mention these because
they are exceptionally flat. They aren't the lightest shoe available (because
of the waffle outsole and more durable upper) but they have a very low heel,
and very minimalist design.

They have them cheap on Eastbay, don't know if they'd be small enough for you
though (and keep in mind this type of shoe often runs small - my Nike XC flats
are 11.5 compared to my other shoes which are 10-10.5)

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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:24 am
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"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 2005-04-09, Steve Freides <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> There's no such thing as a "best" running shoe any more than there's
>> a
>> "best" weight lifting program - different shoes work best for
>> different
>> people with different biomechanical issues, different running goals,
>> etc. For me, the least running shoe I can get, which is a racing
>> flat
>> and costs $50, is the best shoe, and I have no problems with it and
>> it's
>> the only shoe that gives me no problems. (Donovan doesn't consider my
>> shoes flats but, hey, they're the closest thing to a flat I can get
>> that
>> also fits my fat foot.)
>
> Speaking of flats for "fat feet", the NB RX 230 and RX240 shoes (these
> are
> XC flats built on a spike last) do come in 2E width. I mention these
> because
> they are exceptionally flat. They aren't the lightest shoe available
> (because
> of the waffle outsole and more durable upper) but they have a very low
> heel,
> and very minimalist design.
>
> They have them cheap on Eastbay, don't know if they'd be small enough
> for you
> though (and keep in mind this type of shoe often runs small - my Nike
> XC flats
> are 11.5 compared to my other shoes which are 10-10.5)

Cool, thanks for the tips. I'd stocked up on shoes and haven't been
running much so I haven't bought lately but I'm on my last pair now.
I've been in RC240's, which I don't think they make any longer. The
RX230 is pretty cheap, too; actually, they both are. My guess is that
the sizing runs the same - in every NB shoe I've ever worn, which
includes some of their more popular trainers, I've been a 7.5 EE.

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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:23 am
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On 2005-04-09, Steve Freides <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> Cool, thanks for the tips. I'd stocked up on shoes and haven't been
> running much so I haven't bought lately but I'm on my last pair now.
> I've been in RC240's, which I don't think they make any longer. The
> RX230 is pretty cheap, too; actually, they both are. My guess is that
> the sizing runs the same

Generally, spikes tend to run on wacko sizing, and these are on a spike last,
which is why I wouldn't count on them running the same. Recommend checking
letsrun or similar for comments.

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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:29 am
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Google Beta User <majiin99.DeleteThis@cs.com> wrote:
>>> 6 - Is giving up squats harmful?
>>
>>Yes, why not decrease the volume and just work on getting them
> stronger
>
> Hmm, let me modify for squats:
>
>> So my new routine would be:
>> M - Chest (8 sets) Tue - Lat (8 sets)
>> Thu - Traps (3 sets) Fri - Bis (3 sets)
>> Delts (3 sets) Tris(3 sets)
>
> How about adding 3 sets each of squats and calves on the 6 set days?
>
> Remember, my goal is to be in and out of the gym. Idealy Go in at 8.30
> p.m, stretch until 8:45, lift, stretch at 9:15, and then be OFF of the
> gym floor by 9:30....

Sounds like you stretch for 30 minutes? Why do you think you need so much
stretching?

I suggest you do 3x per week full-body workouts taking no longer than 1
hour. Don't stretch at the gym. Do that at various times thoughout the day.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:38 pm
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"Larisa" <purple_bovine DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> > 3 - Does anyone actually get the recommended 8 hours of sleep?
>
>>Ha. Good one.
>
> I think you have to be self-employed and childless for that.
>
> LM (self-employed and childless)

No, you can manage it as self-employed only. When one of us here needs
to sleep in, the other one takes care of the kids.

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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:39 pm
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"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 2005-04-09, Steve Freides <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> Cool, thanks for the tips. I'd stocked up on shoes and haven't been
>> running much so I haven't bought lately but I'm on my last pair now.
>> I've been in RC240's, which I don't think they make any longer. The
>> RX230 is pretty cheap, too; actually, they both are. My guess is
>> that
>> the sizing runs the same
>
> Generally, spikes tend to run on wacko sizing, and these are on a
> spike last,
> which is why I wouldn't count on them running the same. Recommend
> checking
> letsrun or similar for comments.

The local NB store is recommending a 550, which looks a lot like what
I've been using, but frankly I think I'm going to try the 230 or 240 and
see how I like them. I'll report back.

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> Cheers,
> --
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:10 pm
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In article <1113020810.097456.115700 RemoveThis @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Larisa" <purple_bovine RemoveThis @yahoo.com> writes:
>> > 3 - Does anyone actually get the recommended 8 hours of sleep?
>
>>Ha. Good one.
>
> I think you have to be self-employed and childless for that.

Or on vacation.

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