The value of deadlifts

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:13:20 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Charles" <charles DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
>news:v50421ht3f6hlan73lonk3tiqpfjp4oh0g@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:41:47 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Steve McDevitt" <jorant DeleteThis @insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> >news:IDkUd.67758$tl3.42581@attbi_s02...
>> >> "Charles" <charles DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message > Why would you want to
>> >respond
>> >> to quite legitimate questions, even if
>> >> > you do consider them to be somewhat naive, in such a hostile and
>> >> > sarcastic way?
>> >> >
>> >> > If you don't want to discuss or help, just ignore the OP. Giving him
>> >> > smug put-downs is very poor instructional technique and will only
>> >> > discourage people, or make them want to respond in similar manner,
>> >> > much like it did me all those years ago!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't bitch and whine again if you get it back in spades!!
>> >>
>> >> It's because half the people here are horrible cunts, and he's just
>trying
>> >> to keep up with the rest of the pack. Sad. I'm glad he answered the
>> >> question, even though he was rude about it. So we should be thankful
>for
>> >at
>> >> least that much.
>> >>
>> >
>> >The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing off
>to
>> >their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no gallery to
>> >perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People here have a
>> >narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when they get an
>> >opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a genuine reply.
>> >Deadlifts use more muscles than any other exercise - you are working your
>> >traps, lats, lower back, glutes, hams, quads and calves - it is one of
>the
>> >big 3 group (squats and bench press) that pretty well round out all the
>> >major muscles in the body
>> >
>>
>> Thank you David; how difficult would it have been for Elzi to have
>> said that?
>>
>> Instead, as you so rightly said, and despite whatever Hobman says in
>> her defence because she fancies him, she was being what the OP called
>> her!!
>>
>You know what they say about people who are 'full of themselves'!
>

Indeed I do David, but I'm far too much of a gentleman to repeat it!!
;o)
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Preacher wrote:
> Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically
>>> showing off to their friends. If it were just you asking the
>>> question with no gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest
>>> and helpful. People here have a narrow range of knowledge and love
>>> to be arrogant when they get an opportunity. This was a genuine
>>> question and deserves a genuine reply.
>>
>> It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of
>> "replies".
>
> Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
> whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc.
> It's all on the web somewhere.
>
> I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
> asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if
> you don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject
> that you don't want to.

Good point. Many...most...people don't know how to use Google. They find
this place and ask their question. I see no reason to mock them. Maybe
give them a url to Google groups or something useful, but not mock them.
--
-Larry
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:08:55 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
<rogerzoul2.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Charles <charles.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:45:06 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
>> <rogerzoul2.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Charles <charles.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:41:47 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Steve McDevitt" <jorant.TakeThisOut@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:IDkUd.67758$tl3.42581@attbi_s02...
>>>>>> "Charles" <charles.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message > Why would you want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>respond
>>>>>> to quite legitimate questions, even if
>>>>>> > you do consider them to be somewhat naive, in such a hostile and
>>>>>> > sarcastic way?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you don't want to discuss or help, just ignore the OP. Giving
>>>>>> > him smug put-downs is very poor instructional technique and will
>>>>>> > only discourage people, or make them want to respond in similar
>>>>>> > manner,
>>>>>> > much like it did me all those years ago!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Don't bitch and whine again if you get it back in spades!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's because half the people here are horrible cunts, and he's
>>>>>> just trying to keep up with the rest of the pack. Sad. I'm glad he
>>>>>> answered the question, even though he was rude about it. So we
>>>>>> should be thankful for
>>>>>at
>>>>>> least that much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically
>>>>>showing off to their friends. If it were just you asking the
>>>>>question with no gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest
>>>>>and helpful. People here have a narrow range of knowledge and love
>>>>>to be arrogant when they get an opportunity. This was a genuine
>>>>>question and deserves a genuine reply. Deadlifts use more muscles
>>>>>than any other exercise - you are working your traps, lats, lower
>>>>>back, glutes, hams, quads and calves - it is one of the big 3 group
>>>>>(squats and bench press) that pretty well round out all the major
>>>>>muscles in the body
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you David; how difficult would it have been for Elzi to have
>>>> said that?
>>>
>>>How difficult would it have been for you to google deadlifts?
>>
>> I don't need to, but that's why other people come here, they expect to
>> gain knowledge and discuss their fitness and weights problems.
>>
>
>That doesn't mean you can't try to answer a question on your own, does it?

I don't have any questions that need answering!!

>
>> If Google's the answer Roger, why do we need MFW?
>>
>
>There are some new questions or new slants.

In the field of Physical Training and Fitness, Training with weights
and other related activities, there really is rarely anything that
isn't already well known, apart from changes in style or what happens
to be in vogue.

This means inevitably that new people will come here and ask oft
repeated questions. Treat them with a little dignity or leave them
alone is the decent thing to do.

>
>> If our resident experts are tired of answering the same old questions
>> over and over again, then don't bother. But that doesn't give them the
>> right to take the piss out of those less well-informed, or for silly
>> old Lee Michaels to direct them to his set of silly 'schoolboy gang
>> rules'!!
>
>Perhaps you're too sensitive to be on usenet...
>

My well-known "persistence" makes that a patently way off target
assumption. Maybe I just introduce an all too rare element of fair
play and good manners, into an arena that is bristling with bloated
egos!!
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"Preacher" <nono RemoveThis @way.com> wrote in message
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> Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > David <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
> > > off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
> > > gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
> > > here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
> > > they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
> > > genuine reply.
> >
> > It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".
>
> Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
> whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
> all on the web somewhere.
>
> I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
> asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
> don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
> don't want to.

it's cause some people have an inflated idea of their self worth and it is
basically arrogance that causes them to 'take offense' - really what they
are doing is showing off to their friends that they can take the piss out of
newcomers
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:51:05 GMT, David wrote:
>
>"Preacher" <nono DeleteThis @way.com> wrote in message
>news:1gsnn7m.xhwobp184twzzN%nono@way.com...
>> Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > David <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > > The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
>> > > off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
>> > > gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
>> > > here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
>> > > they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
>> > > genuine reply.
>> >
>> > It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".
>>
>> Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
>> whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
>> all on the web somewhere.
>>
>> I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
>> asked before. If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
>> don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
>> don't want to.
>
>it's cause some people have an inflated idea of their self worth and it is
>basically arrogance that causes them to 'take offense' - really what they
>are doing is showing off to their friends that they can take the piss out of
>newcomers

Did that make you feel better?
David, you make me laugh....
I thought I had you killfiled, anyway.


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"Charles" <charles.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message news:all4215jshila712qb3knsh2t105d5mgqb@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:08:55 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
> <rogerzoul2.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Charles <charles.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't need to, but that's why other people come here, they expect to
> >> gain knowledge and discuss their fitness and weights problems.
> >>
> >
> >That doesn't mean you can't try to answer a question on your own, does it?
>
> I don't have any questions that need answering!!
>

Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Reread the question.


> >
> >> If Google's the answer Roger, why do we need MFW?
> >>
> >
> >There are some new questions or new slants.
>
> In the field of Physical Training and Fitness, Training with weights
> and other related activities, there really is rarely anything that
> isn't already well known, apart from changes in style or what happens
> to be in vogue.
>
> This means inevitably that new people will come here and ask oft
> repeated questions. Treat them with a little dignity or leave them
> alone is the decent thing to do.

If that was what you were truely after, you would be answering the
questions that you could in the manner you claim that they should be
answered.

Since you don't answer the questions, I suspect that, instead, we are
seeing jealousy and/or envy on your part and that you troll the ones
you are jealous/envious of.

> >
> >Perhaps you're too sensitive to be on usenet...
> >
>
> My well-known "persistence" makes that a patently way off target
> assumption. Maybe I just introduce an all too rare element of fair
> play and good manners, into an arena that is bristling with bloated
> egos!!

Nope.

Not even close.

That would require you to answer the questions that you could
in a reasonable and helpful manner, and you steadfastly refuse to
do that.

Art
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"Art S" <TheDabbler01 DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles" <charles DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
> news:all4215jshila712qb3knsh2t105d5mgqb@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:08:55 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
>> <rogerzoul2 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Charles <charles DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't need to, but that's why other people come here, they expect to
>> >> gain knowledge and discuss their fitness and weights problems.
>> >>
>> >
>> >That doesn't mean you can't try to answer a question on your own, does
>> >it?
>>
>> I don't have any questions that need answering!!
>>
>
> Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. Reread the question.
>
>
>> >
>> >> If Google's the answer Roger, why do we need MFW?
>> >>
>> >
>> >There are some new questions or new slants.
>>
>> In the field of Physical Training and Fitness, Training with weights
>> and other related activities, there really is rarely anything that
>> isn't already well known, apart from changes in style or what happens
>> to be in vogue.
>>
>> This means inevitably that new people will come here and ask oft
>> repeated questions. Treat them with a little dignity or leave them
>> alone is the decent thing to do.
>
> If that was what you were truely after, you would be answering the
> questions that you could in the manner you claim that they should be
> answered.
>
> Since you don't answer the questions, I suspect that, instead, we are
> seeing jealousy and/or envy on your part and that you troll the ones
> you are jealous/envious of.
>
>> >
>> >Perhaps you're too sensitive to be on usenet...
>> >
>>
>> My well-known "persistence" makes that a patently way off target
>> assumption. Maybe I just introduce an all too rare element of fair
>> play and good manners, into an arena that is bristling with bloated
>> egos!!
>
> Nope.
>
> Not even close.
>
> That would require you to answer the questions that you could
> in a reasonable and helpful manner, and you steadfastly refuse to
> do that.
>
What do you expect from a troll?
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"elzinator" <callofthewest.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
> >Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?
>
> The entire body.
>
> >I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
> >leg position and straighten up.
> >
> >But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
> >anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.
>
> And fairies lift and hold the bar.

They do?

That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!

Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
how much can each fairy lift?

Thanks,

Art
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"Art S" <TheDabbler01.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "elzinator" <callofthewest.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:8lh321dunmsfm7bqdjofvpmhsmdbu9kr66@4ax.com...
>> On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
>> >Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?
>>
>> The entire body.
>>
>> >I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
>> >leg position and straighten up.
>> >
>> >But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
>> >anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.
>>
>> And fairies lift and hold the bar.
>
> They do?
>
> That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!
>
> Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
> how much can each fairy lift?
>
They are quite expensive Art.

And you have to be careful talking about them on usenet. Various Federal
agencies are interested in them for "classified" reasons.
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:15:20 GMT, Art S wrote:
>
>"elzinator" <callofthewest.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:8lh321dunmsfm7bqdjofvpmhsmdbu9kr66@4ax.com...
>> On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
>> >Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?
>>
>> The entire body.
>>
>> >I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
>> >leg position and straighten up.
>> >
>> >But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
>> >anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.
>>
>> And fairies lift and hold the bar.
>
>They do?
>
>That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!
>
>Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
>how much can each fairy lift?

They're called 'fairy traps'

In a more serious vein, DLs have been suggested to be the most
systemically taxing lift as they recruit the entire body.

Regardless, you may put in your order for said Fairy Traps, but just
be aware the they require accessorizing with lats, serratus,
rhomboids, posterior delts, spinal erectors and (god forbid) oblique
abdominals.

As you can see, the complete kit and kabootle is rather 'taxing.' In
Texas, that's 8.25%

You may submit the taxing to me.


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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:15:20 GMT, Art S wrote:
>
>"elzinator" <callofthewest.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:8lh321dunmsfm7bqdjofvpmhsmdbu9kr66@4ax.com...
>> On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
>> >Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?
>>
>> The entire body.
>>
>> >I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
>> >leg position and straighten up.
>> >
>> >But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
>> >anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.
>>
>> And fairies lift and hold the bar.
>
>They do?
>
>That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!
>
>Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
>how much can each fairy lift?

They're called 'fairy traps'

In a more serious vein, DLs have been suggested to be the most
systemically taxing lift as they recruit the entire body.

Regardless, you may put in your order for said Fairy Traps, but just
be aware the they require accessorizing with lats, serratus,
rhomboids, posterior delts, spinal erectors and (god forbid) oblique
abdominals.

As you can see, the complete kit and kabootle is rather 'taxing.' In
Texas, that's 8.25%

You may submit the taxing to me.


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- Rage Against the Machine
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:26:22 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>"Art S" <TheDabbler01.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote in message
>news:IguUd.295260$w62.266265@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "elzinator" <callofthewest.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:8lh321dunmsfm7bqdjofvpmhsmdbu9kr66@4ax.com...
>>> On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
>>> >Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?
>>>
>>> The entire body.
>>>
>>> >I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
>>> >leg position and straighten up.
>>> >
>>> >But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
>>> >anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.
>>>
>>> And fairies lift and hold the bar.
>>
>> They do?
>>
>> That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!
>>
>> Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
>> how much can each fairy lift?
>>
>They are quite expensive Art.
>
>And you have to be careful talking about them on usenet. Various Federal
>agencies are interested in them for "classified" reasons.

Right now the Feds are investigating the jerks of Olympic Lifting.
They claim they are Unidentified Flying Objects.....



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"elzinator" <callofthewest.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:47:42 GMT, JC Der Koenig wrote:
>>"John Hanson" <jhanson.DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
>>news:eob42198sh2omvpn4hmk3k5nes4cp9a9op@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 15:15:04 GMT, "JC Der Koenig"
>>> <jcderkoenig.DeleteThis@ibm.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>
>>>>"Hobbes" <khobman.DeleteThis@sasktel.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:khobman-2702050836370001@192.168.1.100...
>>>>> In article <IDkUd.67758$tl3.42581@attbi_s02>, "Steve McDevitt"
>>>>> <jorant.DeleteThis@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Charles" <charles.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message > Why would you want to
>>>>>> respond
>>>>>> to quite legitimate questions, even if
>>>>>> > you do consider them to be somewhat naive, in such a hostile and
>>>>>> > sarcastic way?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If you don't want to discuss or help, just ignore the OP. Giving
>>>>>> > him
>>>>>> > smug put-downs is very poor instructional technique and will only
>>>>>> > discourage people, or make them want to respond in similar manner,
>>>>>> > much like it did me all those years ago!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Don't bitch and whine again if you get it back in spades!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's because half the people here are horrible cunts, and he's just
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to keep up with the rest of the pack. Sad. I'm glad he answered the
>>>>>> question, even though he was rude about it. So we should be thankful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least that much.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is a she. Smart, fit and attractive to boot.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Very old, bad hips, cranky, and a drug abuser to boot.
>>>>
>>> She's got a nice ass though.
>>>
>>
>>Seems like she's being passed around, so maybe you'll get a shot.
>
> Dear Troll,
> I had two relationships with people who post or posted here. One
> before I even appeared on mfw, and with whom I met elsewhere.
> Otherwise I do not date or even entertain relationships with anyone I
> meet online. I prefer 'real' people.
>
> So, troll, you know absolutely nothing about me.
>
> So go bite yourself in the ass and look in the mirror.
>


Methinks the "lady" doth protest too much.
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