When to Whey ??

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:43:37 -0000, Also Sprach "Ellis"
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>
>"Peter Webb" <wabbfamilyDIESPAMDIE.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> One last thing. The much better newsgroup for this sort of stuff is
>> "misc.fitness.weights" - if you still want answers, you should post there
>> instead (or as well).
>
>Oi!
>
>I don't think he'd have got any better answers to this particular question -
>although he would probably have got a heap more invective.

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Pet <PeTe32 DeleteThis @gymratz.co.uk> thoughtfully wrote:

>NC wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the advice everyone. I generally workout (mainly cardio with some
>> weights to help definition to get *some* growth to replace the fat I burn)
>> at lunchtime. I normally have a banana an hour before and then a shake
>> imediately after - along with a sandwich such as chicken breast. My evening
>> meal usually contains a about 15-20g of protien in the form of chicken or
>> quorn.
>> I'll start having half a pint whey shake before and half after and see how
>> that goes - sound OK ?
>
>No point!
>The lads were under the impression you were talking about _real_ weights
>and training.
>"Cardio bunnies" do NOT need anywhere near the quantities of protien as
>"weight lifters" Certainly not before, or after or on non-workout days.
>
>Keep reading "Mens Health" and continuing your futile battle of delusion
>then, in 12 months time once your MH subscription has finished and you
>are completely disillusion with your total lack of progress and
>significant results, come back and we;ll tell you how to do it properly.
>
>Note, [lease don't take this personally.
>:¬)

Pet, got the calipers today cheers. Nice booklet that comes with them. I'll
get me mrs to use them tomorrow night, and the calipers boom boom.

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NC <me RemoveThis @home.com> thoughtfully wrote:

<snip>

>On the other hand.. come on then.. what would you recommend I do ?
>6'1", 85kgs - reasonably athletic build with some decent(ish) muscle
>definition.

Just over 13 stone then, but what body fat % are you? About 15%?

>I want to lose more fat, improve overall fitness and start
>building some size.

Concentrate on one or the other. If your BF% is > than 15%, concentrate on
slimming first (but still no reason why you can't do weights). When you get
to around 14/15% then alter your workout and diet accordingly to build
muscle. Note you will gain some fat during this process unless you are
incredibly precise with your daily calorie consumption. Nothing wrong with
this. Important thing to remember is that if you are doing things right
most of your increased weight will be lean. You can determine if this is
the case by constantly measuring your BF% as you progress. If you notice
your BF% increasing largely, then there is something wrong with either your
diet or workout. If you weight is increasing but your BF% is increasing
marginally then you're on track. You can calculate how much weight in
muscle you have gained.

Over time of course, not in a few days as some ads may suggest in certain
mags.

>Go to the gym 3 times a week at lunchtimes, have
>about 1.5hrs time for each session (thats time on the gym floor - not
>including showing etc etc)

I go 3-4 times a week during lunch times so you can do a lot during that
time. 1.5 hrs in the gym is may be too long.

>Currently do 40mins (total) interval training on the treadmill and
>eliptical trainer - varying from 30% to 100% effort (100% on the
>treadmill, more like 70-80% on the eliptical). Prefer short sharp cardio
>rather than spending hours plodding away and watching the TV.
>Weights before cardio consisting of:
>lat raise
>lat pulldown
>leg curl
>leg raise
>bicep curl
>tricep curl
>shoulder press
>seated fly
>Do one set of each at a weight where I can just manage 15 reps, then up
>the weight by 2 on the stack and go til failure (usually about another
>4-5 reps)
>Warm up on rower, then weights, then treadmill then eliptical
>finally do 3 sets of 30 sit ups on the swiss ball with a moderate weight
>behind my head (always finish the sets but just about kill myself!)
>followed by 3 sets of 10 dorsal raises holding each for 2 secs.

You wont build much size with that routine.

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"Peter Webb" <wabbfamilyDIESPAMDIE.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> thoughtfully wrote:

>One last thing. The much better newsgroup for this sort of stuff is
>"misc.fitness.weights" - if you still want answers, you should post there
>instead (or as well).

really? mm

oh dear, ng wars again ...

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JD wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:02:34 -0000, Also Sprach "Ellis"
> <ellis_paul DeleteThis @msn.comREMOVE> :
>
>>
>> "NC" <me DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
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>>> Hi all,
>>> First post here so fingers crossed....
>>> I have usually been advised to drink whey protein shakes after a
>>> workout to help with musle regen and recovery. However, in this
>>> months Mens Health (UK, table on page 130) they suggest that I
>>> should be having the protein before the workout (about an hour).
>>> So, which is best ?? Also, should I be having some on my rest days
>>> ?? If so, when is the best time of day ?
>>
>> Ideally drink some before and after (and sip some during, if you can
>> stomach it). And your post-workout shake should contain some sugary
>> carbs.
>>
>> Yes, you should make sure your protein intake on rest days is as
>> high as workout days. Your body grows when it's *out* of the gym.
>
> What he said.
> And stop reading that rag. It's a mag by wankers, for wankers.

MAyfair?

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dundonald wrote:
> NC <me.TakeThisOut@home.com> thoughtfully wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> On the other hand.. come on then.. what would you recommend I do ?
>> 6'1", 85kgs - reasonably athletic build with some decent(ish) muscle
>> definition.
>
> Just over 13 stone then, but what body fat % are you? About 15%?
>
>> I want to lose more fat, improve overall fitness and start
>> building some size.
>
> Concentrate on one or the other. If your BF% is > than 15%,
> concentrate on slimming first (but still no reason why you can't do
> weights).

> When you get to around 14/15% then alter your workout and
> diet accordingly to build muscle.
Would you like to explain yourself a little better considering the OP is a
relative newbie -- "diet accordingly to build muscle" !?!

> Note you will gain some fat during
> this process unless you are incredibly precise with your daily
> calorie consumption. Nothing wrong with this. Important thing to
> remember is that if you are doing things right most of your increased
> weight will be lean. You can determine if this is the case by
> constantly measuring your BF% as you progress. If you notice your
> BF% increasing largely, then there is something wrong with either
> your diet or workout. If you weight is increasing but your BF% is
> increasing marginally then you're on track. You can calculate how
> much weight in muscle you have gained.
>
> Over time of course, not in a few days as some ads may suggest in
> certain mags.
>
>> Go to the gym 3 times a week at lunchtimes, have
>> about 1.5hrs time for each session (thats time on the gym floor - not
>> including showing etc etc)
>
> I go 3-4 times a week during lunch times so you can do a lot during
> that time.
Interesting logic. The OP can do a lot during the time you are in the gym???


> 1.5 hrs in the gym is may be too long.
>
>> Currently do 40mins (total) interval training on the treadmill and
>> eliptical trainer - varying from 30% to 100% effort (100% on the
>> treadmill, more like 70-80% on the eliptical). Prefer short sharp
>> cardio rather than spending hours plodding away and watching the TV.
>> Weights before cardio consisting of:
>> lat raise
>> lat pulldown
>> leg curl
>> leg raise
>> bicep curl
>> tricep curl
>> shoulder press
>> seated fly
>> Do one set of each at a weight where I can just manage 15 reps, then
>> up the weight by 2 on the stack and go til failure (usually about
>> another 4-5 reps)
>> Warm up on rower, then weights, then treadmill then eliptical
>> finally do 3 sets of 30 sit ups on the swiss ball with a moderate
>> weight behind my head (always finish the sets but just about kill
>> myself!) followed by 3 sets of 10 dorsal raises holding each for 2
>> secs.
>
> You wont build much size with that routine.



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