The Perfect Protein Supplement -- Why Not??

DZ <2080 RemoveThis @32715222.128513918.7257.10701.19347> wrote:

>NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> chewing and chewing
>
>Hi, NYC XYZ!
>
>Are you Chinese? You see, your last name (XYZ) rhymes with your first
>name (NYC), and you say everything twice! I discovered these rules
>last year when my dear female friend Zhu-Zhu sent me a Chinese New
>Year greeting card that said in Chinese characters: "Gong Xi Gong Xi"
>I am 100% Chinese myself (born and raised in Inner Mongolia).

We thought you were a Juju.
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"Jason Earl" <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote in message
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> DZ <8045.TakeThisOut@487316246.1684227553.1413.1758.15906> writes:
>
>> TC <tunderbar.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with
>>> three legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls
>>> over. Imagine a table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs
>>> out and it easily remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a
>>> few nutrients only. It needs copious amounts of a large variety of
>>> nutrients. We can only get that from real food. Fresh
>>> food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of a single nutrient only
>>> provides the body with that nutrient, an excess of that nutrient
>>> and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>>>
>>> Your body evolved to ingest a wide variety of nutrients in complex
>>> mixtures all at once (ie. real food). To feed it one or two
>>> nutrients in large amounts serves only to:
>>>
>>> 1) overload the system with those one or two nutrients and 2) leave
>>> the body depleted of the rest of the nutrient complex that it is
>>> used to getting from real food.
>>>
>>> It is not natural. You are placing your metabolic system into a
>>> highly unusual situation. I don't see how that could be a good
>>> thing.
>>
>> To show that the argument "natural = healthy" is incorrect in
>> general, it would be sufficient to find a single species where
>> altering its natural diet would substantially increase longevity. At
>> this point, I don't see why I should even bother.
>
> Please continue to bother.
>
>> As ensured by natural selection, natural diets are optimal for
>> fitness - considered as reproductive success in population-genetic
>> sense, not in misc.fitness.weights sense Even calorie
>> restriction in animals results in decreased fitness, but in
>> increased health.
>
> Most people forget that evolution selects for reproductive success,
> not for athletic prowess or longevity. As an example, one of my
> ancestors was a Mormon pioneer during the brief period where the
> church allowed (and encouraged) polygamy. He fathered over fifty
> children that survived to adulthood, most of which also went on to
> have large Mormon families. In terms of currently living progeny he
> is probably one of the most successful males of his generation with a
> truly ridiculous number of descendants.
>
> Of course, he also happened to be just over 5' tall and he weighed
> around 100 pounds. He also was born with a club foot, and only lived
> to be 43 or so. You'll have to excuse me if I don't feel like
> following his diet to the letter.
>
>> If we strive to maximize the number of offspring we leave by 30
>> years of age, the natural diet is a sure way to go. Otherwise, it
>> might be a reasonable diet, but there is no guarantee, or reason
>> that we shouldn't be able to do better. Just a reminder that to pass
>> on the entire genome with high probability one would have to have at
>> least 20 children.
>
> I'd better get cracking. I've only got three children.
>
> Jason

Selection hasn't been operating on humans for centuries now, even less now
than ever given the diabetes epidemic. Culture insulates humans from most
selective pressures.
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"TC" <tunderbar RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> NYC XYZ wrote:
>> TC wrote:
>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best form
>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete than
>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>> >
>> > TC
>>
>>
>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going to
>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>>
>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims you
>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes and
>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't folks
>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>>
>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the claim on
>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>> suffice, no?
>
> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with three
> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine a
> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only. It
> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only get
> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of
> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an excess
> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.

the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.

>
> Your body evolved to ingest a wide variety of nutrients in complex
> mixtures all at once (ie. real food). To feed it one or two nutrients
> in large amounts serves only to:
>
> 1) overload the system with those one or two nutrients and
> 2) leave the body depleted of the rest of the nutrient complex that it
> is used to getting from real food.
>
> It is not natural. You are placing your metabolic system into a highly
> unusual situation. I don't see how that could be a good thing.
>
> TC
>
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:35:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"TC" <tunderbar DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>> TC wrote:
>>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best form
>>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete than
>>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>>> >
>>> > TC
>>>
>>>
>>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going to
>>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>>>
>>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims you
>>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes and
>>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't folks
>>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the claim on
>>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>>> suffice, no?
>>
>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with three
>> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine a
>> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only. It
>> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only get
>> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of
>> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an excess
>> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>
>the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.

Most animals have fore legs too and are self-standing, but then that's
what legs are four! ;o)
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"Charles" <jrh DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:35:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"TC" <tunderbar DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1158760985.996691.49390@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>>> TC wrote:
>>>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best form
>>>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete than
>>>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>>>> >
>>>> > TC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going to
>>>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>>>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>>>>
>>>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims you
>>>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes and
>>>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't folks
>>>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>>>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>>>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the claim on
>>>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>>>> suffice, no?
>>>
>>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with three
>>> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine a
>>> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>>> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only. It
>>> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only get
>>> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of
>>> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an excess
>>> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>>
>>the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.
>
> Most animals have fore legs too and are self-standing, but then that's
> what legs are four! ;o)

Yes Charles and very observant! (just a tip if you use the numeral it will
obviate the necessity to check the dictionary as to whether you spell it as
fore or four) My only problem with this analogy is that it is would very
difficult to get around with 1000 legs. You couldn't really walk or run - it
would have to more like a shuffle I would think. Probably 4 or maybe 6 legs
would be optimum. (of course I'm not an expert in multi legged mobility


>
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:05:19 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Charles" <jrh.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:35:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"TC" <tunderbar.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1158760985.996691.49390@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best form
>>>>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete than
>>>>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > TC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going to
>>>>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>>>>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims you
>>>>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes and
>>>>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't folks
>>>>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>>>>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>>>>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the claim on
>>>>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>>>>> suffice, no?
>>>>
>>>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with three
>>>> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine a
>>>> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>>>> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only. It
>>>> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only get
>>>> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of
>>>> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an excess
>>>> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>>>
>>>the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.
>>
>> Most animals have fore legs too and are self-standing, but then that's
>> what legs are four! ;o)
>
>Yes Charles and very observant! (just a tip if you use the numeral it will
>obviate the necessity to check the dictionary as to whether you spell it as
>fore or four)

As ever, I am indebted to you M'Lord!

>My only problem with this analogy is that it is would very
>difficult to get around with 1000 legs.

Most dragons of varying leg composition, appear to do remarkably well
on Chinese New Year.

>You couldn't really walk or run - it
>would have to more like a shuffle I would think. Probably 4 or maybe 6 legs
>would be optimum. (of course I'm not an expert in multi legged mobility

I thought you were somewhat handicapped by your rather large 'middle
leg'? ;o)
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"TC" <tunderbar RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> David wrote:
>> "TC" <tunderbar RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1158760985.996691.49390@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > NYC XYZ wrote:
>> >> TC wrote:
>> >> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best form
>> >> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete
>> >> > than
>> >> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>> >> >
>> >> > TC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going to
>> >> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>> >> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>> >>
>> >> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims you
>> >> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes and
>> >> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't
>> >> folks
>> >> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>> >> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>> >> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the claim
>> >> on
>> >> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>> >> suffice, no?
>> >
>> > The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with three
>> > legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine a
>> > table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>> > remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only. It
>> > needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only get
>> > that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of
>> > a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an excess
>> > of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>>
>> the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.
>
> But many have three or six.

of course I knew that! but the fact remains that *most* tables have 4 legs
(I once saw a horse with 3 legs but he was not very stable)

>
>>
>> >
>> > Your body evolved to ingest a wide variety of nutrients in complex
>> > mixtures all at once (ie. real food). To feed it one or two nutrients
>> > in large amounts serves only to:
>> >
>> > 1) overload the system with those one or two nutrients and
>> > 2) leave the body depleted of the rest of the nutrient complex that it
>> > is used to getting from real food.
>> >
>> > It is not natural. You are placing your metabolic system into a highly
>> > unusual situation. I don't see how that could be a good thing.
>> >
>> > TC
>> >
>
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"Charles" <jrh.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:05:19 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Charles" <jrh.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:10l2h256fc27qlui69umbm253ek15pl5va@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:35:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TC" <tunderbar.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1158760985.996691.49390@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>>>>>> TC wrote:
>>>>>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best
>>>>>> > form
>>>>>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete
>>>>>> > than
>>>>>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > TC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going to
>>>>>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>>>>>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes and
>>>>>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>>>>>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>>>>>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the claim
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>>>>>> suffice, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with three
>>>>> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine a
>>>>> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>>>>> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only.
>>>>> It
>>>>> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only get
>>>>> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts of
>>>>> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an excess
>>>>> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>>>>
>>>>the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.
>>>
>>> Most animals have fore legs too and are self-standing, but then that's
>>> what legs are four! ;o)
>>
>>Yes Charles and very observant! (just a tip if you use the numeral it will
>>obviate the necessity to check the dictionary as to whether you spell it
>>as
>>fore or four)
>
> As ever, I am indebted to you M'Lord!
>
>>My only problem with this analogy is that it is would very
>>difficult to get around with 1000 legs.
>
> Most dragons of varying leg composition, appear to do remarkably well
> on Chinese New Year.

Of course - but please Charles, dragons are NOT tables - there is no
relation between the two! (Multi legged tables would also probably do very
well on Chinese New Year)


>>You couldn't really walk or run - it
>>would have to more like a shuffle I would think. Probably 4 or maybe 6
>>legs
>>would be optimum. (of course I'm not an expert in multi legged mobility
>
> I thought you were somewhat handicapped by your rather large 'middle
> leg'? ;o)

Yes, a prickly situation at times
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"TC" <tunderbar.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting to see how seriously you guys take your diets and your
> health.

TC, you would have noticed I'm sure that this Charles guy is the instigator.
Many times I try to be serious about a subject but he just makes light of it
all and causes a general disruption in this group. We can only hope that he
will cross over to your group where everyone is serious

>
> TC
>
> Charles wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:05:19 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Charles" <jrh.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >news:10l2h256fc27qlui69umbm253ek15pl5va@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:35:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"TC" <tunderbar.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:1158760985.996691.49390@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>> >>>>> TC wrote:
>> >>>>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best
>> >>>>> > form
>> >>>>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete
>> >>>>> > than
>> >>>>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > TC
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>> >>>>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't
>> >>>>> folks
>> >>>>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>> >>>>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>> >>>>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the
>> >>>>> claim on
>> >>>>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>> >>>>> suffice, no?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with
>> >>>> three
>> >>>> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>> >>>> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only.
>> >>>> It
>> >>>> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only
>> >>>> get
>> >>>> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an
>> >>>> excess
>> >>>> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>> >>>
>> >>>the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.
>> >>
>> >> Most animals have fore legs too and are self-standing, but then that's
>> >> what legs are four! ;o)
>> >
>> >Yes Charles and very observant! (just a tip if you use the numeral it
>> >will
>> >obviate the necessity to check the dictionary as to whether you spell it
>> >as
>> >fore or four)
>>
>> As ever, I am indebted to you M'Lord!
>>
>> >My only problem with this analogy is that it is would very
>> >difficult to get around with 1000 legs.
>>
>> Most dragons of varying leg composition, appear to do remarkably well
>> on Chinese New Year.
>>
>> >You couldn't really walk or run - it
>> >would have to more like a shuffle I would think. Probably 4 or maybe 6
>> >legs
>> >would be optimum. (of course I'm not an expert in multi legged mobility
>>
>> I thought you were somewhat handicapped by your rather large 'middle
>> leg'? ;o)
>
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:48:23 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"TC" <tunderbar DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1158767021.923660.52730@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> Interesting to see how seriously you guys take your diets and your
>> health.
>
>TC, you would have noticed I'm sure that this Charles guy is the instigator.
>Many times I try to be serious about a subject but he just makes light of it
>all and causes a general disruption in this group. We can only hope that he
>will cross over to your group where everyone is serious
>

I have no intention of being drawn into one of your silly interminable
David/Charles threads.

If you are not very careful mate, you will leave me no alternative but
to threaten to allegedly "killfile" you!

(We haven't seen that for a long while, have we?)
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"TC" <tunderbar.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting to see how seriously you guys take your diets and your
> health.
>
> TC
>
> Charles wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:05:19 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Charles" <jrh.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >news:10l2h256fc27qlui69umbm253ek15pl5va@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:35:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"TC" <tunderbar.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:1158760985.996691.49390@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> NYC XYZ wrote:
>> >>>>> TC wrote:
>> >>>>> > Why not just eat meat, fish, eggs, etc. All in one. In the best
>> >>>>> > form
>> >>>>> > possible. With no processing. More healthy, natural and complete
>> >>>>> > than
>> >>>>> > any powder in a plastic jug.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > TC
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do, but it's not so easy sometimes -- for example, if I'm going
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> bother chewing and chewing on the stuff, I want it to taste good!
>> >>>>> Whereas a protein shake goes down inside a New York Minute. =)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I wonder about the "more healthy" -- and "more complete" -- claims
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> make...indeed, I've always wondered why, if these protein shakes
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> multi-vitamin tablets really are the "real deal," well, why can't
>> >>>>> folks
>> >>>>> just ingest them only and still be healthy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Has anyone ever done such an experiment, feeding folks only protein
>> >>>>> supplements and multi-vitamin pills? (Oh yes, and water, too, of
>> >>>>> course!) I mean, if it's really food and nutrients, as is the
>> >>>>> claim on
>> >>>>> paper (as per their nutritional information labels), they should
>> >>>>> suffice, no?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The concept of complexity is relevant here. Imagine a table with
>> >>>> three
>> >>>> legs. You knock one leg out from under it and it falls over. Imagine
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> table with one thousand legs. Knock a dozen legs out and it easily
>> >>>> remains standing. The body cannot thrive of of a few nutrients only.
>> >>>> It
>> >>>> needs copious amounts of a large variety of nutrients. We can only
>> >>>> get
>> >>>> that from real food. Fresh food. Nutrient dense food. Large amounts
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> a single nutrient only provides the body with that nutrient, an
>> >>>> excess
>> >>>> of that nutrient and a deficiency of other nutrients.
>> >>>
>> >>>the flaw in your argument is that most tables have 4 legs.
>> >>
>> >> Most animals have fore legs too and are self-standing, but then that's
>> >> what legs are four! ;o)
>> >
>> >Yes Charles and very observant! (just a tip if you use the numeral it
>> >will
>> >obviate the necessity to check the dictionary as to whether you spell it
>> >as
>> >fore or four)
>>
>> As ever, I am indebted to you M'Lord!
>>
>> >My only problem with this analogy is that it is would very
>> >difficult to get around with 1000 legs.
>>
>> Most dragons of varying leg composition, appear to do remarkably well
>> on Chinese New Year.
>>
>> >You couldn't really walk or run - it
>> >would have to more like a shuffle I would think. Probably 4 or maybe 6
>> >legs
>> >would be optimum. (of course I'm not an expert in multi legged mobility
>>
>> I thought you were somewhat handicapped by your rather large 'middle
>> leg'? ;o)
>
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"DZ" <2080.TakeThisOut@32715222.128513918.7257.10701.19347> wrote in message
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> NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> chewing and chewing
>
> Hi, NYC XYZ!
>
> Are you Chinese? You see, your last name (XYZ) rhymes with your first
> name (NYC), and you say everything twice! I discovered these rules
> last year when my dear female friend Zhu-Zhu sent me a Chinese New
> Year greeting card that said in Chinese characters: "Gong Xi Gong Xi"
> I am 100% Chinese myself (born and raised in Inner Mongolia).

Are you sure that your dear friend is not Shue Shue?

>
> DZ
> ($B5((B $B5((B)
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