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David Brent Roderick <dbr.RemoveThis@xprecisionxdatabasetweakers.ie> writes:

> Jason Earl <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote in
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> Exercise is not easy or fun if you are carrying 100 excess
> pounds. You don't see obese people participating in athletics for
> fun, because it isn't fun for them. It's horrific torture. Even sumo
> wrestlers look miserable after 15 seconds.

I'm sorry that you don't enjoy exercise. Truly I am. I personally
find that the more athletic I get the more enthusiastic I am about
exercise.

When I first started I was overweight and ridiculously out of shape.
Even jogging a mile was beyond my capabilities. The first five weeks
or so of working out were hard (I ran/walked a mile three times a
week). However, I quickly began to improve and that was quite
heartening.

Part of the problem is that most people bite off more than they can
chew. You don't have to kill yourself when you are starting out, you
just have to build good habits.

By the way, the reason sumo wrestlers look miserable is that what they
are doing is ridiculously hard. Wrestling of any kind is very hard
work. That doesn't mean that wrestling isn't fun.

> Exercise is fine for people in a normal weight range. If you're
> overweight, get there through surgery. It's the fastest and easiest
> way. It's safe, too.

I will certainly agree that it is the fastest and easiest way. The
problem, of course, is that if you want to keep the weight off you
still need to change your lifestyle, and that is almost certainly
harder without the incentive that being overweight adds.

As a concrete example, I have been weighing myself on a daily basis
for so long that I can basically tell within a half pound or so how
much I weigh before I even step on the scale. That sort of body
awareness isn't natural, it is learned, and without it maintaining
your weight is very difficult.

> Take the shortcut. Have a little surgery. It's 2006. Don't let the
> fearmongers bully you.

Whatever floats your boat. Personally, I am always skeptical of
expensive "shortcuts."

Jason
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David Brent Roderick <dbr RemoveThis @xprecisionxdatabasetweakers.ie> writes:

> JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in
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> Inducement to suicide and worse -- this is what the fitness Nazis
> are reduced to, when their fearmongering fails.

Nothing personal friend, but I am pretty sure that it is the surgery
crowd that suggests taking your life in your hands. I'm merely
suggesting that people start by mixing in a little exercise.

I don't care how obese you are, walking is probably significantly less
dangerous than surgery.

> They don't want you to have access to the easy route. In 2006, they
> are like buggy whip salesmen at the dawn of the automobile
> age. They'll say anything to keep you from considering modern
> methods.

Actually, that's not quite true. I, for instance, won't compare
surgeons to "Nazis." That's where I draw the line .

> Fat men! Fat ladies! Hark! Visit your local cosmetic surgeon
> today. Read their brochures. Improve your life
> immediately. Happiness is within your grasp.

For 3 easy payments of $4000 you too can have the body you deserve.*

* Results may vary, and diet and exercise will be necessary after
surgery.

Jason
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Lá~ká~ Wáná <none RemoveThis @no-one.net> writes:

> "Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote in message
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>> Exercise is easy, cheap, and fun. Surgery is expensive, dangerous,
>> and painful.
>
> I disagree. Exercise isn't easy for many people for any variety of
> reasons. Some folks just plain despise getting aching muscles,
> getting all sweaty and out of breath.

I hardly ever had aching muscles after the first two weeks of regular
exercise. Once again, many people believe that exercise is only
effective if it is painful, and that is simply not the case.

> It's also not cheap unless you mean walking around the area where
> one lives. Gyms are not free and not always close to one's home. So
> you have user or membership fees and transportation.

I don't exercise at a gym. I lift weights in my basement with an
Olympic set that I purchased for $115 (on sale). After a while I had
to spend more money on extra plates. I also have a bench that I
purchased from Walmart for another $150 or so, but it's not
necessary. In fact, I don't really use it any more.

For cardio I generally run near my home. Lately I have been replacing
jogging with kettlebell swings and/or kettlebell snatches. My
kettlebell, plus an instructional manual, cost about $180. If I was
on a budget I would probably have purchased a kettlestack instead.

> Fun? You've got be kidding us. It's one of the most B-O-R-I-N-G
> activities, right up there with watching paint dry or grass grow.

You just need to find a more interesting form of exercise. One thing
is certain, I am *never* bored deadlifting, and things get even more
fun when you start lifting the weight over your head. When I am
strength training the implement has my full attention .

I will admit that I find cardio to be a little boring. I try to liven
it up by either running with someone else or by using high intensity
intervals to shorten the amount of time I have to spend running. I am
not a huge fan of hamstering away on a treadmill.

> How can anyone assume we all should all see something mindlessly
> repetitious and boring as fun? I walk a little over 2 miles a day
> now on my threadmill. It's the most boring thing I have ever done in
> my life outside sitting in a Dr's waiting room............

Walking on a treadmill probably is boring. I've never done it. I
don't own a treadmill, and the few times I have used one I have
invariably set it on some ridiculous pre-programmed course and then
hung on for dear life. Of course, walking on a treadmill is also so
mindless that you can do it while watching television or some other
interesting pass time. I like to read, for example, and have
considered walking on a treadmill while reading.

Most people could change their life completely simply by walking on a
treadmill while watching television instead of sitting down.

> LW
> Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
> Today - 159 lbs
> Goal - 130lbs
> Height: 5'6" Age: 61
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's very good for a month.

Jason
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David Brent Roderick <dbr.RemoveThis@xprecisionxdatabasetweakers.ie> wrote in
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> - Pay for medical technology. Put the money from those psych sessions
> to an end which will have a tangible effect. Get your doctor to

Yeah, okay, but a well-placed stick of dynamite is way faster and way
cheaper. Just sayin'.
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> Jason Earl <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote in
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> [snip]
>
> Exercise is not easy or fun if you are carrying 100 excess pounds. You
> don't see obese people participating in athletics for fun, because it
> isn't
> fun for them. It's horrific torture. Even sumo wrestlers look miserable
> after 15 seconds.
>
> Exercise is fine for people in a normal weight range. If you're
> overweight,
> get there through surgery. It's the fastest and easiest way. It's safe,
> too.
>
> Take the shortcut. Have a little surgery. It's 2006. Don't let the
> fearmongers bully you.

Surgery is not safer than walking and walking is considered exercise. Start
by altering what you eat and add a few extra steps every day and as you
start to lose a little weight - add a few more steps. The weight didn't
appear overnight and certainly won't go away overnight. I lost about 25
pounds and it has stayed gone for two years - I am seriously back on my low
carb diet and plan to slowly lose another 40-60 pounds. I've been through
enough surgeries - all necessary. I would not have weight loss surgery
unless it was a life or death situation. It is much healthier and safer to
change the way you eat.
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> > [snip]
> >
> > Exercise is not easy or fun if you are carrying 100 excess pounds. You
> > don't see obese people participating in athletics for fun, because it
> > isn't
> > fun for them. It's horrific torture. Even sumo wrestlers look miserable
> > after 15 seconds.
> >
> > Exercise is fine for people in a normal weight range. If you're
> > overweight,
> > get there through surgery. It's the fastest and easiest way. It's safe,
> > too.
> >
> > Take the shortcut. Have a little surgery. It's 2006. Don't let the
> > fearmongers bully you.
>
> Surgery is not safer than walking
>
YOU LIES TO ME~!
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>> "David Brent Roderick" <dbr.TakeThisOut@xprecisionxdatabasetweakers.ie> wrote in
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>> > Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote in
>> > news:871wrr26il.fsf@workhorse.earlhome:
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> > Exercise is not easy or fun if you are carrying 100 excess pounds. You
>> > don't see obese people participating in athletics for fun, because it
>> > isn't
>> > fun for them. It's horrific torture. Even sumo wrestlers look miserable
>> > after 15 seconds.
>> >
>> > Exercise is fine for people in a normal weight range. If you're
>> > overweight,
>> > get there through surgery. It's the fastest and easiest way. It's safe,
>> > too.
>> >
>> > Take the shortcut. Have a little surgery. It's 2006. Don't let the
>> > fearmongers bully you.
>>
>> Surgery is not safer than walking
>>
> YOU LIES TO ME~!
>
>
Nothing I said was a lie.
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Lá~ká~ Wáná wrote:
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> "David Brent Roderick" <dbr.DeleteThis@xprecisionxdatabasetweakers.ie> wrote in
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>> Take the shortcut. Have a little surgery. It's 2006. Don't let the
>> fearmongers bully you.
>
> David, unless the obese person learns new eating habits they will REGAIN
> the weight they lose through surgery. Unfortunately there is no easy
> way to lose weight and then maintain thinness.
>
> LW
> Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
> Today - 159 lbs
> Goal - 130lbs
> Height: 5'6" Age: 61
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In that vein, here's what's been working for me in the diet department
(reposted from T-mag):

7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs

1. Eat every 2-3 hours, no matter what. You should eat between 5-8 meals
per day.
2. Eat complete (containing all the essential amino acids), lean protein
with each meal.
3. Eat fruits and/or vegetables with each food meal.
4. Ensure that your carbohydrate intake comes from fruits and
vegetables. Exception: workout and post-workout drinks and meals.
5. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your
fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat),
monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil,
salmon oil).
6. Drink only non-calorie containing beverages, the best choices being
water and green tea.
7. Eat mostly whole foods (except workout and post-workout drinks).

--
To put it another way. Imagine an orkplace where you were the only non
executive: Make them all CEO. Give them all at least one Masters degree
and/or a PhD, and the ego trip that comes with that. Now double it.
That's education. --GB, asr
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> Lá~ká~ Wáná wrote:
> >
> > "David Brent Roderick" <dbr.TakeThisOut@xprecisionxdatabasetweakers.ie> wrote in
> > message news:Xns9818E0AA5E78FDBR152a4297593202815@217.22.228.20...
> >> Take the shortcut. Have a little surgery. It's 2006. Don't let the
> >> fearmongers bully you.
> >
> > David, unless the obese person learns new eating habits they will REGAIN
> > the weight they lose through surgery. Unfortunately there is no easy
> > way to lose weight and then maintain thinness.
> >
> > LW
> > Start - 7/5/06 - 170lbs
> > Today - 159 lbs
> > Goal - 130lbs
> > Height: 5'6" Age: 61
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> In that vein, here's what's been working for me in the diet department
> (reposted from T-mag):
>
> 7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs
>
> 1. Eat every 2-3 hours, no matter what. You should eat between 5-8 meals
> per day.
> 2. Eat complete (containing all the essential amino acids), lean protein
> with each meal.
> 3. Eat fruits and/or vegetables with each food meal.
> 4. Ensure that your carbohydrate intake comes from fruits and
> vegetables. Exception: workout and post-workout drinks and meals.
> 5. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your
> fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat),
> monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil,
> salmon oil).
> 6. Drink only non-calorie containing beverages, the best choices being
> water and green tea.
> 7. Eat mostly whole foods (except workout and post-workout drinks).
>
> --

rec.sport.pro-wrestling has a poster who is fat and depressed, but he
handles it by lashing out at others, feeding his ego, and threatening to
call the workplaces of other posters.
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Lá~ká~ Wáná wrote:
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> "Simon" <BOFH DeleteThis @tcptowers.com> wrote in message
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>> 7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs
>>
>> 1. Eat every 2-3 hours, no matter what. You should eat between 5-8
>> meals per day.
>
> But what constitutes a "meal?" An apple? A sandwich? A plate of
> cooked broccoli? A chop or chicken breast with two veggies? How many
> calories should each of these meals contain for the average man or
> women? What about seniors?

It depends (US$1.00 + s&h to Lyle). Take the number of target calories
and divide by the number of meals. Finding the caloric requirements for
an individual has been detailed to death here in MFW and elsewhere and
is left as an exercise for the reader.

>> 2. Eat complete (containing all the essential amino acids), lean
>> protein with each meal.
>
> This is fine for someone at home all day. How does a working person
> manage this? Not all job places have a fridge or hotplate. Coldcuts
> are full of chemical preservatives. Carrying meat around all day at the
> office or factory can be dangerous.

I pack more than one lunch, myself. The fridge at working has three to
four meals loading it up that are mine.

THAT said, peanut butter, tuna (and other fish) in its original
packaging, canned beans... there's a lot of options out there. I cook
chicken breasts and cut them up into a salad; pack it in a cooler with
ice and you'll have a relatively safe meal.

>> 3. Eat fruits and/or vegetables with each food meal.
>
> Again, how does a working person manage this 5 to 8 times a day?

Apple, banana, cherries, dates... fill the rest of the alphabet. Every
damned time you eat, eat a fruit or vegetable.

>> 4. Ensure that your carbohydrate intake comes from fruits and
>> vegetables. Exception: workout and post-workout drinks and meals.
>
>> 5. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your
>> fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat),
>> monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil,
>> salmon oil).
>
> Without lab tests this can be hard to do as one pork chop or steak will
> have more fat than another. Who would have the time or patience to
> figure this all out before each meal? God bless those who have the time
> and patience......

You don't have to figure it out of each meal - merely for the day's
food. It's not as tough as it you're making it sound, although it takes
actually -doing- it.

>> 6. Drink only non-calorie containing beverages, the best choices being
>> water and green tea.
>> 7. Eat mostly whole foods (except workout and post-workout drinks).
>
> I agree with this.

Oh, thank god!

The fact is, it *is* possible to control what goes into your body. While
I haven't lost weight this way - it's not my goal - I do feel a whole
hell of a lot better.



--
To put it another way. Imagine an orkplace where you were the only non
executive: Make them all CEO. Give them all at least one Masters degree
and/or a PhD, and the ego trip that comes with that. Now double it.
That's education. --GB, asr
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"Lá~ká~ Wáná" <none DeleteThis @no-one.net> wrote in message
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> "Citizen_Cain" <noemailhere DeleteThis @nothing.invalid> wrote in message
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> > rec.sport.pro-wrestling has a poster who is fat and depressed, but he
> > handles it by lashing out at others, feeding his ego, and threatening to
> > call the workplaces of other posters.
> >
>
> Send him to the Weight-Watcher or low-carb diet NGs. Maybe if we can help
> him lose some weight he wont be so depressed.
>


It's been tried, believe me. He's far too obsessed over himself and how he
looks and feels compares to others that it wouldn't do any good. He does
need to lose some weight, but I don't think it would help much with his
depression. There'd still be the kooky behavior, threats of RL stalking, and
a pressing need to make references to homosexual acts.
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> "Citizen_Cain" <noemailhere.DeleteThis@nothing.invalid> wrote in message
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> > It's been tried, believe me. He's far too obsessed over himself and how
he
> > looks and feels compares to others that it wouldn't do any good. He does
> > need to lose some weight, but I don't think it would help much with his
> > depression. There'd still be the kooky behavior, threats of RL stalking,
> > and
> > a pressing need to make references to homosexual acts.
>
>
> On second thought.... please *don't* send him here.


He probably wouldn't go even if encouraged anyway. He's a
slightly...er..."unstable" person, if you will? Plus he shuns diets like
women. Of course, he shuns women because he's a homosexual child molestor,
but the analogy still stands.
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