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(Msg. 46) Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:23 am
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Ranieri ha scritto:
> "Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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> > No, just facts
> > Not even science, simple empirical evidence you can see with your own
> > eyes ...
> > Among the Kalahari Bushmen obesity, baldness, macular degeneration,
> > acne, diabetes, hypertension are non-existent and yet they get as ill
> > as anyone else when they more to a western country and adopt a western
> > life style
>
>
> The Kalahari Bushmen in their native environment have a life expectancy of
> approximately 30 years. They generally don't live long enough to develop
> many of the afflictions which are common in western society. It's not
> because eating sandy roots is some sort of nutritional magic bullet.
That's not true for the simple reason that all ailments I have listed
are suffered in the western world by young people. Kalahari Bushmen
children are healthy ours are the essence of sickness
Besides Jared Diamond doesn't seem to agree with the studies on Bushmen
and other hunter/gatherer societies to begin with
The life expectancy is short for lack of foods and not diseases, as
Diamond explained the hunter/gatherer societies didn't consciously
adopt the agriculture revolution so they have been exiled on the least
fructiful and rich zones of their country, the room available to them
has been shortened year by year but the birth rate is high. But among
the average there are the outside of the average, people who make it
till later in life and the elderly of the Bushmen doesnt' definitely
suffer of the ailments that our eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty,
twenty-five years olds suffer from.
If what I was talking about were diseases of age, the excuse we've been
provided to avoid taking our responsabilities and try to do something,
then our kids wouldn't suffer from them and would instead exhibit
vibrant health.
I would suggest a book by Joel Furhman "Disease Proof Your Child" and
while you can ignore the nutritional guidelines which many won't agree
with, it's a good book to realize how really sick our young ones are
and how they become sicker year by year and how such epidemic of sick
children (when not correlated to high populantion density and lack of
hygiene or food as in third world countries) is unknown to other
cultures
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:51 am
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Davide wrote:
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> Everyone must suit himself or herself, a lot of science is mere
> interpretation and within the controversy there are many other
> interpretations that could as well suits the situation.
> If you're under the illusion that you can get the absolute unbiased and
> objective truth from the standard interpretation of world go on, I say
> it's just an illusion ... eventually you must see what works for your
> and use some instinct too because if you believe that instinct is
> biased and interpretative ... well I say that science is even more
And now we come full circle to your original post. Read it again. You
found that the Warrior Diet did not work well for YOU. From that, you
extrapolated that it was impossible for an athlete to maintain such a
regimen. Others explained why it was possible, and you wanted argue
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:05 pm
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>...and also increase my intake of antioxidants
> and phytochemicals from vegetables and fruits since those substances
> are used by the body in a complex chain of reaction to make up the
> harmful effect of free radicals on the cells
>
On a cellular level we have evolved a very powerful and complex defense
system against free radicals. The notion that one can improve upon this is
based upon 1) being able to deliver biologically available antioxidants on
the cellular level and 2) the weak link in our free radical defense is a
lack of available antioxidants.
Studies have yet to prove the benefit of anitoxidant supplementation against
cancer or heart disease.
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:08 pm
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Davide wrote:
>>
>> Everyone must suit himself or herself, a lot of science is mere
>> interpretation and within the controversy there are many other
>> interpretations that could as well suits the situation.
>> If you're under the illusion that you can get the absolute unbiased
>> and
>> objective truth from the standard interpretation of world go on, I
>> say
>> it's just an illusion ... eventually you must see what works for your
>> and use some instinct too because if you believe that instinct is
>> biased and interpretative ... well I say that science is even more
>
> And now we come full circle to your original post. Read it again.
> You
> found that the Warrior Diet did not work well for YOU. From that, you
> extrapolated that it was impossible for an athlete to maintain such a
> regimen. Others explained why it was possible, and you wanted argue
> with them because it did not work for YOU.
I will take this opportunity to point out _again_ that many people who
try the WD approach and fail do so because they do the equivalent of a
double-bodyweight squat or deadlift the first time they try the lift.
If Davide wants to see how the WD really works for him, the book
contains several good guidelines, e.g., start by pushing breakfast back
20 minutes per day. Another approach is to eat WD style one day and
multiple meals the next. My approach starting out was to get rid of
breakfast, which I found easy, but to eat a normal lunch and dinner, and
then gradually reduce the size of my lunch and also push it later and
later until it became a 4pm snack instead of a 1pm meal. I'd say it
took me six months to get adapted to the WD. How long it takes to adapt
to the WD is something the book doesn't do a good job with, IMHO - it
takes longer than one might think.
-S-
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:53 pm
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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> JMW <jmwilliams_56.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Davide wrote:
> > >
> > > Everyone must suit himself or herself, a lot of science is mere
> > > interpretation and within the controversy there are many other
> > > interpretations that could as well suits the situation.
> > > If you're under the illusion that you can get the absolute unbiased and
> > > objective truth from the standard interpretation of world go on, I say
> > > it's just an illusion ... eventually you must see what works for your
> > > and use some instinct too because if you believe that instinct is
> > > biased and interpretative ... well I say that science is even more
> >
> > And now we come full circle to your original post. Read it again. You
> > found that the Warrior Diet did not work well for YOU. From that, you
> > extrapolated that it was impossible for an athlete to maintain such a
> > regimen. Others explained why it was possible, and you wanted argue
> > with them because it did not work for YOU.
>
> Let's define "athlete" again. That was fun.
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:24 pm
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Steve Freides ha scritto:
> "Davide" <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote in message
> news:1147974106.478163.124220@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Steve Freides ha scritto:
> >
> >> "Davide" <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote in message
> >> news:1147945389.191562.202660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > DZ ha scritto:
> >> >
> >> >> Davide <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >> > DZ ha scritto:
> >> >> >> Davide <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet
> >> >> >> > while
> >> >> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on
> >> >> >> > earth
> >> >> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
> >> >> >>
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> The eating approach I follow, which is the same as DZ, works well for
> >> me. I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very
> >> slowly
> >> leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
> >> bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm
> >> gaining
> >> weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.
> >
> > It's not that simple. How do you eat more?
> > Do you just add a meal per night or do you just add foods to your
> > meal?
> > The second case is not always possible because there's a limit on the
> > amount of food your stomach can hold in one sitting, so you can't just
> > say "I will eat more food tonight" because your stomach won't allow
> > you
> > too
> >
> >> I do cycle my WD-style eating - I'm what you'd call a social eater,
> >> and
> >> on the weekends, I typically have a nice, big, carbohydrate-filled
> >> brunch one or both days with my wife and kids, and just generally eat
> >> whatever I want. During the week I eat less during the day, fewer
> >> carbs
> >> overall, and fewer total calories per day. Typically my weight is
> >> highest on Monday mornings and lowest on Friday or Saturday but the
> >> difference isn't much, maybe 3 lbs. or so.
> >>
> >> One thing I don't think gets mentioned enough in connection with this
> >> style of eating - the body's dependence on regular feedings can, like
> >> just about anything else about our bodies, be trained. Most people
> >> who
> >> try WD style eating and fail do so for the same reasons a new weight
> >> lifter might fail - too much change too soon. I took my good old
> >> time
> >> about getting used to eating this way and looking back now, I'm glad
> >> I
> >> did.
> >
> > How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> > Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
> > thing
> > to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
> >
> >> I'm 51 years old, 153 lbs. this morning, 5' 8" tall, and deadlifted
> >> 364
> >> lbs. in competition in the 148 lb. weight class and raw division of
> >> the
> >> AAU just last year, which is just shy of 2.5 times bodyweight, an
> >> accomplishment I'm very proud of, even if John Hanson thinks it's no
> >> big
> >> deal.
> >
> > How many calories do you consume daily?
> > So far I've seen a low caloric consumption linked to WD but what about
> > 2500/3000 calories daily, how could someone consume so many calorie in
> > a single sitting at night?
> > Again, it's not a matter of will power, hunger, shortage of daily
> > calories to me is a simple matter of bulk and size, no stomach can
> > bear
> > the amount of food necessary to get 2500/3000 calories in a sitting
>
> OK, Davide, here's a food day in the life of a Freides and the exercise
> as well - no clue about calories except for the protein bar:
>
> 11am - after working at my desk for a couple of hours, walked to
> Starbucks with my somewhat overweight, definitely out of shape
> 82-year-old mother and had a medium vanilla latte with whipped cream.
>
> Worked out at around noon. I'm in a back-off week so it was pretty
> easy:
>
> One-arm kb mil press: 70 lb. kettlebell, 2 singles each side
> One-arm kb windmill, 53 lb. kettlebell, 5 reps each side
> Two 25 lb. kb overhead squats x 4 reps, 5 reps (brutal exercise I'm just
> starting out on, which is why the light weights),
> DL: 275 (75% 1RM) x 4 on 2 inch platform, 275 x 4 on 3 inch platform.
> One-arm kb swings, 53 lbs, 14 rep each side.
>
> Remember, back-off week - took a few days off around the past weekend,
> light/easy weights the last few days, will up the volume starting on the
> weekend or next week. http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm for my full training
> log for anyone bored with life, er, uh, interested in my training.
>
> 4pm - had one of those MetRX big protein bars - about 400 total
> calories, 25-30 gr protein, 50 gr carb, if memory serves. Who says
> they're only for bodybuilders? Also 16 oz of iced green tea (made at
> home, brought with). Had been on job site since 2:00pm.
>
> 6pm - was still at a job site and knew I wouldn't be home for dinner, so
> I took it with me. Two large, soft, whole-wheat tortillas rolled up
> with sliced ham, lettuce, mayo. Figure another 25-30 gr of protein,
> unknown carbs and fat.
>
> Taught at YMCA lifeguard class from 8:00 to 9:30pm.
>
> 10pm - two organic (small) bananas in a bowl, a decent amount of
> semi-sweet chocolate chips, microwave until the chocolate melts and the
> bananas are cooked.
So, let's see ... you basically skip breakfast and lunch and start
eating at 6pm you have three meals almost three hours apart one from
the other
Each meal could easily be 5000/6000 calories so it can be done and
makes more sense now. But isn't this a no-no in the warrior diet, I
mean three meals ... the standard number of meals people usually have
and Ori criticizes?
Thanks for your reply
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"DZ" <20709 DeleteThis @808822433.2961929444.2344.21867.23970> wrote in message
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> Ranieri <> wrote:
>> Davide wrote:
>>>...and also increase my intake of antioxidants
>>> and phytochemicals from vegetables and fruits since those substances
>>> are used by the body in a complex chain of reaction to make up the
>>> harmful effect of free radicals on the cells
>>
>> On a cellular level we have evolved a very powerful and complex defense
>> system against free radicals. The notion that one can improve upon this
>> is
>> based upon 1) being able to deliver biologically available antioxidants
>> on
>> the cellular level and 2) the weak link in our free radical defense is a
>> lack of available antioxidants.
>>
>> Studies have yet to prove the benefit of anitoxidant supplementation
>> against
>> cancer or heart disease.
>>
>> PS) Don't believe everything you read in those health food store
>> pamphlets.
>
> I think these are good points. But the argument that we must have
> evolved a particularly optimal oxidative protection mechanism is
> likely wrong. The degree of protection is not as good as it can be,
> and only sufficient to ensure the lifespan optimal for the population
> structure and demographics of a species, but now live well longer than
> that. A good example is birds vs. rodents that have similar sizes and
> metabolism rates, yet birds live 5 times longer and have superior
> oxidative stress protection. Mice evolved the degree of protection
> only to a needed degree. It's similar with the mutation rates of a
> species that can be decreased experimentally by artificial selection.
The disposable soma theory. Investing too much energy in protection of the
soma cells at the expense of the germ line is not favored by natural
selection. Especially since until very recently we were likely to die by
starvation, sickness or accident before the DNA mutations caught up with us.
And while our oxidative protection mechanism certainly isn't perfect - I
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:17 am
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JMW <jmwilliams_56.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Davide wrote:
> >
> > Everyone must suit himself or herself, a lot of science is mere
> > interpretation and within the controversy there are many other
> > interpretations that could as well suits the situation.
> > If you're under the illusion that you can get the absolute unbiased and
> > objective truth from the standard interpretation of world go on, I say
> > it's just an illusion ... eventually you must see what works for your
> > and use some instinct too because if you believe that instinct is
> > biased and interpretative ... well I say that science is even more
>
> And now we come full circle to your original post. Read it again. You
> found that the Warrior Diet did not work well for YOU. From that, you
> extrapolated that it was impossible for an athlete to maintain such a
> regimen. Others explained why it was possible, and you wanted argue
> with them because it did not work for YOU.
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"Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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>
> Steve Freides ha scritto:
>
>> "Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote in message
>> news:1147974106.478163.124220@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Steve Freides ha scritto:
>> >
>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote in message
>> >> news:1147945389.191562.202660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Davide <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> >> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >> >> >> Davide <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet
>> >> >> >> > while
>> >> >> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > earth
>> >> >> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
>> >> >> >>
>> > <snip>
>> >>
>> >> The eating approach I follow, which is the same as DZ, works well
>> >> for
>> >> me. I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very
>> >> slowly
>> >> leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
>> >> bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm
>> >> gaining
>> >> weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.
>> >
>> > It's not that simple. How do you eat more?
>> > Do you just add a meal per night or do you just add foods to your
>> > meal?
>> > The second case is not always possible because there's a limit on
>> > the
>> > amount of food your stomach can hold in one sitting, so you can't
>> > just
>> > say "I will eat more food tonight" because your stomach won't allow
>> > you
>> > too
>> >
>> >> I do cycle my WD-style eating - I'm what you'd call a social
>> >> eater,
>> >> and
>> >> on the weekends, I typically have a nice, big, carbohydrate-filled
>> >> brunch one or both days with my wife and kids, and just generally
>> >> eat
>> >> whatever I want. During the week I eat less during the day, fewer
>> >> carbs
>> >> overall, and fewer total calories per day. Typically my weight is
>> >> highest on Monday mornings and lowest on Friday or Saturday but
>> >> the
>> >> difference isn't much, maybe 3 lbs. or so.
>> >>
>> >> One thing I don't think gets mentioned enough in connection with
>> >> this
>> >> style of eating - the body's dependence on regular feedings can,
>> >> like
>> >> just about anything else about our bodies, be trained. Most
>> >> people
>> >> who
>> >> try WD style eating and fail do so for the same reasons a new
>> >> weight
>> >> lifter might fail - too much change too soon. I took my good old
>> >> time
>> >> about getting used to eating this way and looking back now, I'm
>> >> glad
>> >> I
>> >> did.
>> >
>> > How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>> > Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
>> > thing
>> > to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>> >
>> >> I'm 51 years old, 153 lbs. this morning, 5' 8" tall, and
>> >> deadlifted
>> >> 364
>> >> lbs. in competition in the 148 lb. weight class and raw division
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> AAU just last year, which is just shy of 2.5 times bodyweight, an
>> >> accomplishment I'm very proud of, even if John Hanson thinks it's
>> >> no
>> >> big
>> >> deal.
>> >
>> > How many calories do you consume daily?
>> > So far I've seen a low caloric consumption linked to WD but what
>> > about
>> > 2500/3000 calories daily, how could someone consume so many calorie
>> > in
>> > a single sitting at night?
>> > Again, it's not a matter of will power, hunger, shortage of daily
>> > calories to me is a simple matter of bulk and size, no stomach can
>> > bear
>> > the amount of food necessary to get 2500/3000 calories in a sitting
>>
>> OK, Davide, here's a food day in the life of a Freides and the
>> exercise
>> as well - no clue about calories except for the protein bar:
>>
>> 11am - after working at my desk for a couple of hours, walked to
>> Starbucks with my somewhat overweight, definitely out of shape
>> 82-year-old mother and had a medium vanilla latte with whipped cream.
>>
>> Worked out at around noon. I'm in a back-off week so it was pretty
>> easy:
>>
>> One-arm kb mil press: 70 lb. kettlebell, 2 singles each side
>> One-arm kb windmill, 53 lb. kettlebell, 5 reps each side
>> Two 25 lb. kb overhead squats x 4 reps, 5 reps (brutal exercise I'm
>> just
>> starting out on, which is why the light weights),
>> DL: 275 (75% 1RM) x 4 on 2 inch platform, 275 x 4 on 3 inch platform.
>> One-arm kb swings, 53 lbs, 14 rep each side.
>>
>> Remember, back-off week - took a few days off around the past
>> weekend,
>> light/easy weights the last few days, will up the volume starting on
>> the
>> weekend or next week. http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm for my full
>> training
>> log for anyone bored with life, er, uh, interested in my training.
>>
>> 4pm - had one of those MetRX big protein bars - about 400 total
>> calories, 25-30 gr protein, 50 gr carb, if memory serves. Who says
>> they're only for bodybuilders? Also 16 oz of iced green tea (made
>> at
>> home, brought with). Had been on job site since 2:00pm.
>>
>> 6pm - was still at a job site and knew I wouldn't be home for dinner,
>> so
>> I took it with me. Two large, soft, whole-wheat tortillas rolled up
>> with sliced ham, lettuce, mayo. Figure another 25-30 gr of protein,
>> unknown carbs and fat.
>>
>> Taught at YMCA lifeguard class from 8:00 to 9:30pm.
>>
>> 10pm - two organic (small) bananas in a bowl, a decent amount of
>> semi-sweet chocolate chips, microwave until the chocolate melts and
>> the
>> bananas are cooked.
>
> So, let's see ... you basically skip breakfast and lunch and start
> eating at 6pm you have three meals almost three hours apart one from
> the other
> Each meal could easily be 5000/6000 calories so it can be done and
> makes more sense now. But isn't this a no-no in the warrior diet, I
> mean three meals ... the standard number of meals people usually have
> and Ori criticizes?
Davide, if you want to understand the Warrior Diet, you need to _read_
_the_ _book_. I will give you the summary again. The WD is about
alternating an 18-20 hour period of undereating with a 4-6 hour period
of overeating each day. FWIW, I typically don't eat quite so late at
10pm, but the WD is, among other things, about freedom from dependence
upon regular feedings. I eat when I have the time or when I'm hungry
enough to make the time and it couldn't be simpler. It is about
training your body's "deal with little or no food" mechanism to be
stronger, just like you want other systems in your body to be stronger
as a result of weight training. Does one _need_ to be stronger? No.
Does one _need_ to undereat during the day? No.
There is no "no-no" on the WD. Some people give it up for weeks at a
time, e.g., when home from college, and go back to it again when they
resume their normal schedule. It's not a diet in the sense of Atkins or
Zone or similar. It's connected, at least in the author's mind (I don't
speak for DZ but I agree with Ori on this) an old-fashioned, romantic
idea of how one lives life - focused on work during the day,
undistracted by either the need to prepare food or the slothful feeling
of trying to get something done on a full stomach, and then relaxing and
doing what you please once the work day is done.
-S-
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 6:41 am
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Ranieri ha scritto:
> "DZ" <20709 RemoveThis @808822433.2961929444.2344.21867.23970> wrote in message
> news:27069@1753224193.3073421974.7988.21077.15300...
> > Ranieri <> wrote:
> >> Davide wrote:
> >>>...and also increase my intake of antioxidants
> >>> and phytochemicals from vegetables and fruits since those substances
> >>> are used by the body in a complex chain of reaction to make up the
> >>> harmful effect of free radicals on the cells
> >>
> >> On a cellular level we have evolved a very powerful and complex defense
> >> system against free radicals. The notion that one can improve upon this
> >> is
> >> based upon 1) being able to deliver biologically available antioxidants
> >> on
> >> the cellular level and 2) the weak link in our free radical defense is a
> >> lack of available antioxidants.
> >>
> >> Studies have yet to prove the benefit of anitoxidant supplementation
> >> against
> >> cancer or heart disease.
No, studies clearly prove that you don't have any benefit with
artificial high dose supplementation, actually they have also proven
the toxicity of vitamin E in supplement formula. But there are more
realiable studies proving the effect of an increase intake of
vegetables and fruits on decreasing the levels of oxidative stress and
preventing degenerative diseases of every kind.
What actually is yet to be proven is the evolutionary theory is we want
to be correct.
I'm not a creationist and I don't believe in god but I agree with the
skeptical serearchers and scientists that realize well that the
evolution theory is far from proven and many time so stretched to
almost imply that there's a superior intelligence behind evolution.
Not to mention that on the other hand there are many examples in nature
that contradict the tautological theory of evolutionary mutation and
survival of the fittest
That's just to say that I don't know what is it with all the
evolution-fans lately that put its theories everywhere, but I would
rather deal with epidemiological and biochemical studies rather than
making up theories on whether evolution (we've almost antropomorphed
it, sooner or later it will take the place of a god as a mythological
intelligence to pray living in a heaven and playing with genes) would
have allowed us to protect us from free radicals and diseases or
whether "it" would have rather just cared to allow us to survive until
we can procreate: so life to safeguard future life of future generation
whose life is just a mean to safeguard life of future life ...
interesting, usually natural mechanisms safeguard something that has a
deeper meaning, not vicious cyrcles without meaning ... it's a
tautological view of life that doesn't agree with everything I've read,
the fact alone that there are researchers and physicians who are able
to increase the health and survival of their patiences by getting rid
of the negative effects of modern creations hence using what is
available to us in nature rather than in modern civilization
> >> PS) Don't believe everything you read in those health food store
> >> pamphlets.
Never been in a healthy food store in my life
> And while our oxidative protection mechanism certainly isn't perfect - I
> don't believe we can improve it by gobbling handfuls of vitamin E tablets.
No, supplements don't work ... for whatever reason ... but is found a
positive effect of antioxidants and phytochemicals because of their
complex reaction in providing the stabilizing electron ---> vitamin C
----> flavinoids --- > vitamin E ---> glutathione, found it only when
the intake comes from food and antiixodant intake is complementary ...
vitamin E is even toxic in supplement form
There's a blog where to discuss this whole issue www.diseaseproof.org
It's a kind of debate that I would like to see there, because there are
many professionals who have analized what the licterature says and
where are the controversial aspects, they have what I lack to deal with
these debates, the required dedication to remember and look for
references and meta-analysis and so on
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:18 am
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Davide wrote:
>That's what the GI is in the first place, and that's why its value is
>highly controversed to begin with, an average among subjective
>glucometer testing and in face it doesn't mirror the experience of
>many, so much for science being so superior to anecdotal evidence ...
>both are limited to the subjective nature of the subjects
We heven't found an alternate model to the scientific method. Sure, you
can test yourself, but can we at least avoid saying such things as
"...the subjective nature of the subjects"?
It's pure folly to dispute objectively quantified studies, and to argue
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