Help me lose the fat

On Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42:23 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:


>MFW is always brutally honest...but very helpful. Touchy / feely is in the
>next ng over.

I'm not into touchy feely anymore. Haven't been for some time now.


>I saw somebody recommend fitday.com to you. I highly recommend it. The
>only way you will make this work is to control your diet. I've come to the
>conclusion that diet is 75% and exercise is 25%.

I think more along the lines of 50/50.


>There's a really heavy woman at my gym. I like her and make it a point to
>always chat with her. She's there every day doing an hour of cardio. In 3
>years, she hasn't lost a pound. That's because she comes in, does her
>cardio, burns her 500 calories doing it, then goes home and eats an
>additional 500 cal to make up for it.

Does she want to lose weight or is she eating those calories because
she wants to stay at her present weight?



>Finding your BMR is always a guess.

My BMR tells me I should have 2480 calories daily minimum just for my
body to survive...heartbeat, bloodflow, etc. Should I subtract 500
calories from that or just keep my calorie intake at 2400?
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me wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42:23 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> <2larry2 RemoveThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>
>
>> MFW is always brutally honest...but very helpful. Touchy / feely is
>> in the next ng over.
>
> I'm not into touchy feely anymore. Haven't been for some time now.
>
>
>> I saw somebody recommend fitday.com to you. I highly recommend it.
>> The only way you will make this work is to control your diet. I've
>> come to the conclusion that diet is 75% and exercise is 25%.
>
> I think more along the lines of 50/50.
>
>
>> There's a really heavy woman at my gym. I like her and make it a
>> point to always chat with her. She's there every day doing an hour
>> of cardio. In 3 years, she hasn't lost a pound. That's because she
>> comes in, does her cardio, burns her 500 calories doing it, then
>> goes home and eats an additional 500 cal to make up for it.
>
> Does she want to lose weight or is she eating those calories because
> she wants to stay at her present weight?

She wants to lose weight. There's another gal there that finally talked
with her about her eating. Many people think that if they simply work out
hard, they can eat whatever they want. That is not the case.

>> Finding your BMR is always a guess.
>
> My BMR tells me I should have 2480 calories daily minimum just for my
> body to survive...heartbeat, bloodflow, etc. Should I subtract 500
> calories from that or just keep my calorie intake at 2400?

Your BMR should include your activities. Then subtract your 500 - 1,000
cal. If you can handle it, go for 1,000 cal deficit and see what happens.
But, you have to track everything that passes over your gums. Everything.
Pop, a cup of juice, a single cookie, a handful of nuts...everything.
--
-Larry
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:24:11 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:


>Well, let's see. Say she wants to be 150 lbs.

Yes that number works for me.


> That means she's got to drop
>250 lbs. At 75 lbs per year of non-stop weight loss, that's 3.3 years.
>Provided she doesn't have a relapse in those 3.3 years. I don't think 3.3
>years is even realistic. That would require a non-stop average caloric
>deficit of 5,000+ per week, non stop for 171 weeks.

And I am bound to have some plateaus along the way.


>I'm not cutting her down or trying to discourage her. But, I think a sober
>assessment of what to expect is in order.

Which I appreciate. Honesty is the best policy after all.


> I see more people give up because
>they don't look like the Blowflex people in six weeks.

I *know* I will never look that good in 6 weeks.


> Fact is, it took
>years and years for her to reach 400 lbs.

Yep.


> It will take years and years to
>get the weight off.

Yep.


> I hope she makes it. I like her based on her guts to
>post here.

Well thank you. I had been lurking for some time and was afraid to
post but then I just thought "Screw it." and posted anyway.


> She could be posting in Lady Veteran's Fat Justification ng

That will never happen. While I do not like seeing overweight people
getting the prejudice they receive in everyday life (me included)
there is nothing they can say to me that would make me think that it
is okay to be overweight because healthwise it is not okay. It is
taxing on our health system and our bodies.
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 23:58:48 +0200, Goran Tomas
<goran.tomasNOSP DeleteThis @MNOemail.htnet.hr> wrote:


>While I agree it will take time for you to reach your ideal weight and
>that you should be doing this "for life" and not consider it as
>something temporary (IOW expecting you'll get back to the diet/life
>style you were living) "year and years" may sound a bit discouraging
>at the beginning (IMHO).
>
>So, let me just tell you that you WILL be noticing changes from month
>to month and these changes alone will be all the positive drive you
>need to keep on
>
>And after a while clean diet and regular exercise will just become
>habitual to you, and therefore much easier and automatic.
>
>If you really, really want it and you're willing to do what it takes,
>make no mistake - you will succeed.

Thanks Goran. You have some good points there.

I've printed out your response for keeping (in fact I have printed out
all responses for future reference if i need them)
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 22:24:10 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2 RemoveThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:


>Okay, are we:
>
>a.) being trolled
>b.) wasting time and advice

No and no.
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 22:20:57 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:


>Until you lose some of your weight, I would be *really* careful even walking
>much for your cardio. 400 lbs is a lot of weight on your knees.

My knees *scream* at me on a daily basis but I can do some walking
when they are not so bad. Aspirin pretty much helps when they are
very bad and I have been taking Triplex and even after one week of
that I am starting to notice a difference.


> Water
>aerobics is an option. Cycling or the elliptical if you can handle those.

Anything in the water is fine for me but I have yet to try cycling or
the elliptical.

>If you are going to walk, try your local school's rubberized running track.

The local school doesn't have one. The only one is downtown at the Y.


>And of course a good pair of running / walking shoes.

Got 'em. New Balance.
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me wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 22:20:57 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> <2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Until you lose some of your weight, I would be *really* careful even
>> walking much for your cardio. 400 lbs is a lot of weight on your
>> knees.
>
> My knees *scream* at me on a daily basis but I can do some walking
> when they are not so bad. Aspirin pretty much helps when they are
> very bad and I have been taking Triplex and even after one week of
> that I am starting to notice a difference.
>
>
>> Water
>> aerobics is an option. Cycling or the elliptical if you can handle
>> those.
>
> Anything in the water is fine for me but I have yet to try cycling or
> the elliptical.
>
>> If you are going to walk, try your local school's rubberized running
>> track.
>
> The local school doesn't have one. The only one is downtown at the Y.
>
>
>> And of course a good pair of running / walking shoes.
>
> Got 'em. New Balance.

Just remember, you can permanently mess up your knees. Then you're screwed,
but not in the good way. If your knees are screaming, look for something
else non-impact until you can shed some lbs. Even 50 lbs will make a big
difference.

The gal I'm currently dating is a water aerobics instructor. She showed me
some of the stuff she does with her classes, and I was impressed. That
would give you a great workout without the stress on your joints. It would
also allow your supporting tissue around the joints to develop before
placing undue strain on them.

Based on your current weight, you may be able to get a membership through
your health insurance to a gym that has classes . I'd hit your doctor up
with that.
--
-Larry
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Quoting me:

>The trouble is I am not certain which are low sugar fruits other then
>berries.

Grapefruit and peaches, for starters. Just keep portion sizes in mind
-- i.e., if you eat three or four peaches, it won't be 'low sugar'.

Get thee to google (and the USDA food database).
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Delenn <Delenn DeleteThis @whoever.com> wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > Lynne A <embstop DeleteThis @rushmore.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr DeleteThis @ohatzhapu.bet> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Again: if the OP is who I think she is, none of it will matter.
> >>
> >>It is.
> >
> >
> > I figured.
> >
> > Oh well. We can always use some crazy drama around here. It livens the
> > place up.
>
> Uhoh. I sense a rival. I thought I had the position all sewn up!

I don't think you have anything to worry about, dear heart.
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Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
:> Quoting me:
:>
:> >The trouble is I am not certain which are low sugar fruits other
:> >then berries.
:>
:> Grapefruit and peaches, for starters. Just keep portion sizes in
:> mind -- i.e., if you eat three or four peaches, it won't be 'low
:> sugar'.

Peaches are low sugar? You obviously don't live in SC... Must be talkin
TINY portions, too!

:>
:> Get thee to google (and the USDA food database).
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 02:04:31 -0500, Suze
<suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:


>Grapefruit and peaches, for starters. Just keep portion sizes in mind
>-- i.e., if you eat three or four peaches, it won't be 'low sugar'.

I never eat that many peaches in a row. If I do I have other problems
worse then weight.
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Quoting Roger Zoul:
>Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
>:> Quoting me:
>:>
>:> >The trouble is I am not certain which are low sugar fruits other
>:> >then berries.
>:>
>:> Grapefruit and peaches, for starters. Just keep portion sizes in
>:> mind -- i.e., if you eat three or four peaches, it won't be 'low
>:> sugar'.
>
>Peaches are low sugar?
>You obviously don't live in SC...

Are your peaches special?

>Must be talkin TINY portions, too!

One small peach (about 1/2 cup or so) is ~8g carb.

Teaching oneself to eat reasonable portions is a good thing.
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 10:14:17 -0400, nono RemoveThis @way.com (Preacher) wrote:



>What suits you? Someone here mentioned Weight Watchers, and iirc, you
>weren't too keen on that idea. That's fine, though it's helped a lot of
>my friends. Just knowing that they were going to get weighed once a week
>in front of people, and to have a group where they could discuss their
>food issues was helpful.

I found TOPS. You get to use your own plan or one provided by your
doctor or dietician, it costs $20 a year for membership, they have
weigh-ins every week and I found a meeting time that suits my
schedule. Much better IMO then WW.
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