Weight Loss. Calorie deficient diet? add protein?

paul.DeleteThis@paul.com wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:18:56 -0800, "Larry Hodges"
> <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>
>> paul.DeleteThis@paul.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:42:23 -0800, "Larry Hodges"
>>> <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> General consensus here
>>>> is you should be getting between .8g to 1.5g of protein per lb of
>>>> body weight.
>>>
>>> There is absolutely no need to get more than .8g of protein per lb
>>> of body weight. The current scientific knowledge suggests that
>>> unless you are taking anabolic steroids that you don't need more
>>> than .8g of protein per lb of *lean* body weight (LBW). Most folks
>>> who are interested in hypertrophy probably will do just fine
>>> anywhere from .7-.8 per pound of LBW.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> Which is why I shoot for 150g of protein. From what I've read, .8 is
>> enough. But the "general consensus" here is .8 to 1.5g. That's why
>> I said "general consensus". Did you miss the general consensus part?
>
> No, I did not miss it. If that is the general consensus then it is not
> supported by the literature.
>
>
>> I didn't specify LBW, however, but rather body weight.
>
>
>
>> I'm not sure which
>> is correct.
>
> LBM is correct.
>
>
>> Your LBM uses aproximately 90% of the calories that you
>> consume, but that still leaves 10% that the rest of the body
>> requires.
>
> Huh? What does that have to do with how much protein is needed for
> optimal hypertrophy?

Because a portion of what you eat goes to other parts of your body besides
LBM. Was that too complicated for you?

>> So
>> shouldn't body weight be used in determining the amount of protein
>> to eat?
>
> The amount of protein to eat is determined by a number of factors
> including one's goals. If one wants to gain muscle mass then you would
> look for objective information to support whatever amount of protein
> you think is necessary. Currently the scientific literature suggests
> that .8g per pound of LBM is the MAXIMUM amount needed for
> hypertrophy. IOW, eating more than that is unlikely to give you better
> gains, unless you are juicing.

The key word is "unlikely". But people here, Lyle included, have stated why
not consume more if there is a chance that it may benefit hypertrophy? It
doesn't hurt anything, and there is a possibility that it may benefit.
Hence...the range I stated earlier. Are you always this anal?

>> You're one of only two people I've noticed that recommend LBW rather
>> than body weight.
>
> Maybe you need to talk to more people.

Well, that could be true. I work, train, eat and screw. Other than that, I
don't get out much.

> Paul


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-Larry