vegetarian diet

Hugh Beyer wrote:

> Actually, on mature consideration, I think D-thingy has you outclassed.
> Responding to "Arun from India" with a post suggesting that he's probably
> just another fashion-obsessed fastidious eater is way crasser and culturally
> insensitive than anything you came up with.

Yeah, because we're all so culturally sensitive here about people's
excuses for not taking care of their bodies.

My best friend, the picky vegan, has been sick with "the flu" for a
couple of weeks. (It's really a cold.) She's on antibiotics for it
now. (Yes, she's on antibiotics for a cold. No, I don't like her
doctor.) She's run down and can't get better and she's living on baked
potatoes "because she wants to get lots of vitamin C." (And when she's
not ill she lives on baked potatoes because they're convenient or
because Dr. MacDougall uses them in a lot of recipes or because that's
what she has in the house.) She's clearly, obviously malnourished while
surrounded by food she won't choose to eat.

Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can figure
out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
way to fuel your body.

I can't tell unpleasant truths to the people I know in real life so I
come online to a place known for being Mean but Right. It's a relief to
be here.

Delenn
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Delenn wrote:
> Hugh Beyer wrote:
>
>> Actually, on mature consideration, I think D-thingy has you
>> outclassed. Responding to "Arun from India" with a post suggesting
>> that he's probably just another fashion-obsessed fastidious eater is
>> way crasser and culturally insensitive than anything you came up
>> with.
>
> Yeah, because we're all so culturally sensitive here about people's
> excuses for not taking care of their bodies.
>
> My best friend, the picky vegan, has been sick with "the flu" for a
> couple of weeks. (It's really a cold.) She's on antibiotics for it
> now. (Yes, she's on antibiotics for a cold. No, I don't like her
> doctor.) She's run down and can't get better and she's living on
> baked potatoes "because she wants to get lots of vitamin C." (And
> when she's not ill she lives on baked potatoes because they're
> convenient or because Dr. MacDougall uses them in a lot of recipes or
> because that's what she has in the house.) She's clearly, obviously
> malnourished while surrounded by food she won't choose to eat.
>
> Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can
> figure out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because
> it's a good way to fuel your body.
>
> I can't tell unpleasant truths to the people I know in real life so I
> come online to a place known for being Mean but Right. It's a relief
> to be here.
>
> Delenn

Well, I'm not a vegetarian. And I love to hunt and kill things like deer
and elk. But I don't eat much red meat. I'll have it maybe once a
month...maybe less. I choose to not eat it because I like the
alternatives...turkey, chicken, fish and whey protein. I do this because I
seem to operate and feel better.
--
-Larry
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:44:19 -0500, Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote:

>Hugh Beyer wrote:
>
>> Actually, on mature consideration, I think D-thingy has you outclassed.
>> Responding to "Arun from India" with a post suggesting that he's probably
>> just another fashion-obsessed fastidious eater is way crasser and culturally
>> insensitive than anything you came up with.
>
>Yeah, because we're all so culturally sensitive here about people's
>excuses for not taking care of their bodies.
>
>My best friend, the picky vegan, has been sick with "the flu" for a
>couple of weeks. (It's really a cold.) She's on antibiotics for it
>now. (Yes, she's on antibiotics for a cold. No, I don't like her
>doctor.) She's run down and can't get better and she's living on baked
>potatoes "because she wants to get lots of vitamin C." (And when she's
>not ill she lives on baked potatoes because they're convenient or
>because Dr. MacDougall uses them in a lot of recipes or because that's
>what she has in the house.) She's clearly, obviously malnourished while
>surrounded by food she won't choose to eat.

And she's SO representative of the majority of vegetarians.


>I can't tell unpleasant truths to the people I know in real life

which explains why the children are so ill-behaved

>so I come online to a place known for being Mean but Right. It's a relief to
>be here.
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:07:34 -0500, frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS RemoveThis @OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:44:19 -0500, Delenn <Delenn RemoveThis @whoever.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can figure
>>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
>>way to fuel your body.
>oh, i don't think it's such a great way. i gave meat up last year
>just because eating all those growth hormones and anti-biotics
>didn't seem like a good idea. i get loads of protein via whey, eggs,
>cheese, bread, tofu, milk etc... there's no need for meat.
>plus i get plenty of fibre every day.

The growth hormones somehow affect ONLY the meat and have
no effect whatsoever on the eggs or milk products?

>in defense, all i want to add is that like anything else,
>the reasons are more complicated. not single
>dimensional. maybe we could say that picky
>people can become vegetarians, not vegetarians
>were all picky people.
>...thehick

Where I grew up, we called the Jif eaters (because they were
choosy mothers)
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Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote in news:36dg4rF50njg3U1@individual.net:

> The OP doesn't eat eggs and didn't want to take whey supplements. I'm
> unclear on his access to soy products. (Anyone know?)
>

Actually, he didn't say anything about whey supplements. He posted his
question and then, if he knew what's good for him, ran like hell...

Hugh


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Hugh Beyer wrote:

> Delenn <Delenn.DeleteThis@whoever.com> wrote in news:36dg4rF50njg3U1@individual.net:
>
>
>>The OP doesn't eat eggs and didn't want to take whey supplements. I'm
>>unclear on his access to soy products. (Anyone know?)
>>
>
>
> Actually, he didn't say anything about whey supplements. He posted his
> question and then, if he knew what's good for him, ran like hell...

The OP said, "is there any combination other than supplements that will
help me gain muscle mass?"

I took that to mean he didn't want to take supplements of any sort, whey
included.

You read it another way?

Delenn
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:44:19 -0500, Delenn <Delenn.DeleteThis@whoever.com> wrote:

>Hugh Beyer wrote:
>
>> Actually, on mature consideration, I think D-thingy has you outclassed.
>> Responding to "Arun from India" with a post suggesting that he's probably
>> just another fashion-obsessed fastidious eater is way crasser and culturally
>> insensitive than anything you came up with.
>
>Yeah, because we're all so culturally sensitive here about people's
>excuses for not taking care of their bodies.
>
>My best friend, the picky vegan, has been sick with "the flu" for a
>couple of weeks. (It's really a cold.) She's on antibiotics for it
>now. (Yes, she's on antibiotics for a cold. No, I don't like her
>doctor.) She's run down and can't get better and she's living on baked
>potatoes "because she wants to get lots of vitamin C." (And when she's
>not ill she lives on baked potatoes because they're convenient or
>because Dr. MacDougall uses them in a lot of recipes or because that's
>what she has in the house.) She's clearly, obviously malnourished while
>surrounded by food she won't choose to eat.
>
>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can figure
>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
>way to fuel your body.
>
>I can't tell unpleasant truths to the people I know in real life so I
>come online to a place known for being Mean but Right. It's a relief to
>be here.

Good tale Wendy, which you should be able to relate in real life just
as well as you do in the 'roughhouse' that is MFW!!

You are subdued dear lady, which is most unfortunate, given that it
indicates the arsehole Buck has achieved what he set out to do!! ;o(

Never let the 'bastards' get you down Wendy, it can be tough going
sometimes, but it's worth it to see them show themselves in their true
colours, as they wriggle, bitch and whine!! ;o)
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Proton Soup <proton DeleteThis @soup.org> wrote in
news:hr83019l50kg5343smndb1u6f3bce3628m@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:07:34 -0500, frank-in-toronto
> <thehickOBVIOUS DeleteThis @OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:44:19 -0500, Delenn <Delenn DeleteThis @whoever.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can figure
>>>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
>>>way to fuel your body.
>>oh, i don't think it's such a great way. i gave meat up last year
>>just because eating all those growth hormones and anti-biotics
>>didn't seem like a good idea. i get loads of protein via whey, eggs,
>>cheese, bread, tofu, milk etc... there's no need for meat.
>>plus i get plenty of fibre every day.
>
> I guess you know they load the dairy cows up with hormones and
> antibiotics, too. Plus, they use the stomach to make the cheese.
>
> Don't know about the chickens. Chickens are kind of a disposable
> item, so maybe they don't worry so much about giving them anitbiotics.

Chickens are awful. Full of antibiotics because that's the only way to keep
them alive given the way they are raised.

Hugh

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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:21:27 -0800, Lucas Buck
<sbcpark.RemoveThis@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:07:34 -0500, frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS.RemoveThis@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:44:19 -0500, Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can figure
>>>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
>>>way to fuel your body.
>>oh, i don't think it's such a great way. i gave meat up last year
>>just because eating all those growth hormones and anti-biotics
>>didn't seem like a good idea. i get loads of protein via whey, eggs,
>>cheese, bread, tofu, milk etc... there's no need for meat.
>>plus i get plenty of fibre every day.
>
>The growth hormones somehow affect ONLY the meat and have
>no effect whatsoever on the eggs or milk products?
i believe most of the bad stuff is held in the fat (like the yolk).
i eat the white's mostly and drink skim milk.

and your argument is as silly as it looks. nothing is perfect.
i'm trying to improve my health. you're trying to be funny.
....thehick
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:53:03 -0500, frank-in-toronto
<thehickOBVIOUS.RemoveThis@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:21:27 -0800, Lucas Buck
><sbcpark.RemoveThis@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:07:34 -0500, frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS.RemoveThis@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:44:19 -0500, Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can figure
>>>>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
>>>>way to fuel your body.
>>>oh, i don't think it's such a great way. i gave meat up last year
>>>just because eating all those growth hormones and anti-biotics
>>>didn't seem like a good idea. i get loads of protein via whey, eggs,
>>>cheese, bread, tofu, milk etc... there's no need for meat.
>>>plus i get plenty of fibre every day.
>>
>>The growth hormones somehow affect ONLY the meat and have
>>no effect whatsoever on the eggs or milk products?
>i believe most of the bad stuff is held in the fat (like the yolk).
>i eat the white's mostly and drink skim milk.

Are you sure? I thought most of the vitamins are in the yolk?

>and your argument is as silly as it looks. nothing is perfect.
>i'm trying to improve my health. you're trying to be funny.
>...thehick

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Proton Soup

"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane
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"Proton Soup" <proton.RemoveThis@soup.org> wrote
> frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS.RemoveThis@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>> Lucas Buck<sbcpark.RemoveThis@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>>frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS.RemoveThis@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
>>>> Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can
>>>>>figure
>>>>>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
>>>>>way to fuel your body.
>>>>oh, i don't think it's such a great way. i gave meat up last year
>>>>just because eating all those growth hormones and anti-biotics
>>>>didn't seem like a good idea. i get loads of protein via whey, eggs,
>>>>cheese, bread, tofu, milk etc... there's no need for meat.
>>>>plus i get plenty of fibre every day.
>>>The growth hormones somehow affect ONLY the meat and have
>>>no effect whatsoever on the eggs or milk products?

>>i believe most of the bad stuff is held in the fat (like the yolk).
>>i eat the white's mostly and drink skim milk.
>
> Are you sure? I thought most of the vitamins are in the yolk?

And the minerals, and half the total protein, and the lecithin, and the
precursor to all the body's steroid hormones.

David
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David Cohen <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Proton Soup" <proton.TakeThisOut@soup.org> wrote
> > frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS.TakeThisOut@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
> >> Lucas Buck<sbcpark.TakeThisOut@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
> >>>frank-in-toronto <thehickOBVIOUS.TakeThisOut@OBVIOUScanada.com> wrote:
> >>>> Delenn <Delenn.TakeThisOut@whoever.com> wrote:
> >>>><snip>
> >>>>>Eating meat is a good way to get protein. It's true. If you can
> >>>>>figure
> >>>>>out a way ethically to do it then you should do it because it's a good
> >>>>>way to fuel your body.
> >>>>oh, i don't think it's such a great way. i gave meat up last year
> >>>>just because eating all those growth hormones and anti-biotics
> >>>>didn't seem like a good idea. i get loads of protein via whey, eggs,
> >>>>cheese, bread, tofu, milk etc... there's no need for meat.
> >>>>plus i get plenty of fibre every day.
> >>>The growth hormones somehow affect ONLY the meat and have
> >>>no effect whatsoever on the eggs or milk products?
>
> >>i believe most of the bad stuff is held in the fat (like the yolk).
> >>i eat the white's mostly and drink skim milk.
> >
> > Are you sure? I thought most of the vitamins are in the yolk?
>
> And the minerals, and half the total protein, and the lecithin, and the
> precursor to all the body's steroid hormones.

And it's the part that tastes good.
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