Fat Loss Advice

Mick R. wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Mick R. wrote:
> > > "elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1104715981.651890.225050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Art S wrote:
> > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous
to my
> > > > health.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a
> > "bulking
> > > > cycle"?
> > > >
> > > > No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice cubes, no
whip,
> > > > Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Two more and it will be a
> > >
> >
>
"CafeMochaskinnywithafewicecubesnowhipThankyouandhaveagooddayWhere'smydamnco
> > > ffee" cycle.
> >
> > "Booya tooya!"
> >
> javajavajavajavajava
>
> Hey if I was there I'd being going one for one with you. I like good
> coffee.


Dude, I would so drink you under the table.
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Mick R. wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Mick R. wrote:
> > > "elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1104725368.324684.64530@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Mick R. wrote:
> > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1104715981.651890.225050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Art S wrote:
> > > > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is
dangerous
> > to my
> > > > > > health.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a
> > > > "bulking
> > > > > > cycle"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice cubes,
no
> > whip,
> > > > > > Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Two more and it will be a
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
"CafeMochaskinnywithafewicecubesnowhipThankyouandhaveagooddayWhere'smydamnco
> > > > > ffee" cycle.
> > > >
> > > > "Booya tooya!"
> > > >
> > > javajavajavajavajava
> > >
> > > Hey if I was there I'd being going one for one with you. I like
good
> > > coffee.
> >
> >
> > Dude, I would so drink you under the table.
> >
>
> I'll take that gauntlet little lady

"little"?
hah
You wait.

> (ducking)
>
> Now we just have to get on the same continent.
Your continent broke away. Not mine.
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Mick R. wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Mick R. wrote:
> > > "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1104726062.402963.130260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Mick R. wrote:
> > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1104725368.324684.64530@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mick R. wrote:
> > > > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
news:1104715981.651890.225050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Art S wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >
> > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is
> > dangerous
> > > > to my
> > > > > > > > health.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are
on a
> > > > > > "bulking
> > > > > > > > cycle"?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice
cubes,
> > no
> > > > whip,
> > > > > > > > Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two more and it will be a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
"CafeMochaskinnywithafewicecubesnowhipThankyouandhaveagooddayWhere'smydamnco
> > > > > > > ffee" cycle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Booya tooya!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > javajavajavajavajava
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey if I was there I'd being going one for one with you. I
like
> > good
> > > > > coffee.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dude, I would so drink you under the table.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'll take that gauntlet little lady
> >
> > "little"?
> > hah
> > You wait.
> >
> > > (ducking)
> > >
> > > Now we just have to get on the same continent.
> > Your continent broke away. Not mine.
> >
> Hah! We're the old land remember. It's the people here that are the
> new-comers.

And it was once a penal colony!
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"joni" <jgrrl2.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> D. Oz wrote:
> > I do have one more question: Is there a web resource that can tell me
> my
> > daily caloric requirements?? This would help me get a good baseline
> so I
> > can have a 500 cal deficit.
>
>
>
> http://www.hussman.org/fitness/
>
> Under the 'How Calories Work' section is a popup to calculate your BMR
> and gives you a range necessary to lose or gain weight.
>
>
> <<joni>>
>

Ack!

I thought the site was doing OK (more knowledgeable people may disagree)
until I got to "change your exercise routine every four weeks to cause muscle
confusion" and "in any event, work sets should be near failure for the
concentric or lifting portion of the movement. ... the last 2 reps of your final
set should be a slightly out-of-body experience."

<spits>

A lot of good info, but a lot of bad info buried in the good info.

<rinses mouth out>

blech!

In any case, for the original poster: don't worry about a web site to determine
your daily caloric requirements. The best that they can give you is an estimate
that is too rough anyway. Instead, track everything you are eating for a few
weeks. (you can use www.fitday.com to determine how many calories
most of the foods are - as well as track yourself.) If your weight went up or
stayed the same during that period, cut back on what you are eating. Repeat
the process. Note that you only want to lose 2 lbs per week.

Art
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Art S wrote:

> "joni" <jgrrl2.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.hussman.org/fitness/

> I thought the site was doing OK (more knowledgeable people may disagree)
> until I got to "change your exercise routine every four weeks to cause muscle
> confusion" and "in any event, work sets should be near failure for the
> concentric or lifting portion of the movement. ... the last 2 reps of your final
> set should be a slightly out-of-body experience."
>
> <spits>
>
> A lot of good info, but a lot of bad info buried in the good info.
>
> <rinses mouth out>
>
> blech!

In case you didn't catch it, Hussman has the 'scientific explanation' of
why Body for Life works. It's a popular link for the Body for Life
community.

> In any case, for the original poster: don't worry about a web site to determine
> your daily caloric requirements. The best that they can give you is an estimate
> that is too rough anyway. Instead, track everything you are eating for a few
> weeks. (you can use www.fitday.com to determine how many calories
> most of the foods are - as well as track yourself.) If your weight went up or
> stayed the same during that period, cut back on what you are eating. Repeat
> the process. Note that you only want to lose 2 lbs per week.

Be warned that the consensus in alt.support.diet is that the calories
expended estimates on fitday are ridiculously overstated. But it's
still really valuable as a way of tracking calories in.

Dally
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"elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my health.
>

In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a "bulking cycle"?

Oh - are the old email addresses I have for you now invalid? If so,
could you email me your current one(s)?

Art
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"Art S" <TheDabbler01.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote
>
> "elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my health.
> >
>
> In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a "bulking cycle"?
>
> Oh - are the old email addresses I have for you now invalid? If so,
> could you email me your current one(s)?
>
Just send your messages thirty paces to the right of the cactus and fifteen
paces this side of the horsey poo.
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"elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1104708342.888699.172260
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> I mean, when muscles get confused, they don't know what to think, what
> to do, they just wander around quivering in their confused state, genes
> start killing each other and proteins begin splitting apart, their
> amino acids spilling all over, bursting out of the cytoplasm, nasty
> little neutrophils run screaming into little holes in the membranes
> causing panic and little oxygen radicals (those little bullies) scare
> the heck out of the sensitive mitochondria and they explode.
>
> And the failure!!! Oh, the failure of the muscles to grasp what's
> happening; the rest of the body senses their lack of success and begins
> to shake uncontrollably, while nerves start to spit and squirt
> fountains of neurotransmitters, the vesicles inside the nerves trying
> to signal the receivers that catastrophe is eminent! The vesicles vomit
> their load of chemical signals inundating the synaptic clefts,
> overburdening the nervous system and all hell breaks loose! The body
> begins to separate from the soul and transfer itself out of this world;
> it's too much to take!!
>

Uh-huh, sounds like last week's workout, yep.

Hugh


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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Art S" <TheDabbler01 RemoveThis @att.net> wrote
> >
> > "elzinator" <elzinator RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my health.
> > >
> >
> > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a "bulking cycle"?
> >
> > Oh - are the old email addresses I have for you now invalid? If so,
> > could you email me your current one(s)?
> >
> Just send your messages thirty paces to the right of the cactus and fifteen
> paces this side of the horsey poo.
>

"the" cactus?

"the" horsey poo?

I hadn't realized that you had such a sheltered life before

Art
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Larry Hodges wrote:
> unrestrained_hand.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> > It's a *little more complicated than that - I recommend reading
Covert
> > Bailey's books. Essentially, starving the body to any significant
> > degree "teaches" it to store fat - a response to our ancestor's
> > occasional famine. The ones who survived when calories were
> > significantly cut back were those who stored energy, not those who
got
> > skinnier. But losing one pound per week is a reasonable goal.
>
> Which is why you "normally" don't want to have a caloric deficit of
much
> more that 500 per day. 1,000 tops. And even then, a refeed day is
good
> once a week.
>
> > What we want to do is exercise more, which trains the body to use
fat
> > for energy. It's not simply a calory deficit, but creating a
> > fat-burning machine. Most of us who are too fat are too fat not
> > because we eat too much (altho there is more of that than 30 years
> > ago), but because we sit too much.
>
> Ummm...no. We're fat because we eat more than we burn. Period.
It's
> simple.
>
> > We can argue about which exercises are the best at doing this, but
as
> > Bailey says, "the best exercise is the one you'll do". Daron, you
> > should find something you like (like martial arts, for example)
which
> > you can do inside in the winter, to complement your other
activities.
> >
> > Weight training will not only make you leaner on its own, but will
> > make anything else you do easier. And eating better helps.
> >
> > Kermit
>
> Weight training will make you leaner ONLY if you don't eat too much.
> --
> -Larry


Absolutely true. But the rate at which we burn calories and the
efficiency at which we store them depend on a number of variables.
Couch potatos pretty much cannot stay lean enough without adding
significant exercise to their schedule. A couch potato who reduces
calorie intake is going to be hungry all the time, and will either
regain the weight or be in an unnatural and uncomfortable hungry state
forever. Weight is a questionable metric to watch for folks who aren't
grossly obese, anyway. When I was in the US Navy in the 80s they
started bodyfat percent testing. I was renting a house offbase with
three other sailors. The youngest, skinniest one of us was disgusted to
find out he was also the fattest. We three older guys, all with medium
build, were working out daily. The skinny kid played softball on
Saturdays, and thought that was "exercise". Because he was skinny, he
thought he was the opposite of fat. He wasn't. You could grab his arm
and press your fingers down to the bone; he had the muscle tone of a
jelly donut.

While overeating and a poor diet can sabotage an exercise plan, most
folks aren't going to succeed without regular workouts of some kind.
Anyone who doesn't exercise a lot isn't medically normal. It's not a
moral failing; but it's not medically normal either. We're made to
move.

Kermit
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"elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Art S wrote:
> > "elzinator" <elzinator.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my
> health.
> > >
> >
> > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a "bulking
> cycle"?
>
> No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice cubes, no whip,
> Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
>

Two more and it will be a
"CafeMochaskinnywithafewicecubesnowhipThankyouandhaveagooddayWhere'smydamnco
ffee" cycle.

> > Oh - are the old email addresses I have for you now invalid? If so,
> > could you email me your current one(s)?
>
> My home and work addys are still valid. The satellite system won't be
> installed for ~2 weeks.
> Then the aliens and I can send jokes back and forth.
>
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"elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mick R. wrote:
> > "elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1104715981.651890.225050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Art S wrote:
> > > > "elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my
> > > health.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a
> "bulking
> > > cycle"?
> > >
> > > No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice cubes, no whip,
> > > Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
> > >
> >
> > Two more and it will be a
> >
>
"CafeMochaskinnywithafewicecubesnowhipThankyouandhaveagooddayWhere'smydamnco
> > ffee" cycle.
>
> "Booya tooya!"
>
javajavajavajavajava

Hey if I was there I'd being going one for one with you. I like good
coffee.
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"elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mick R. wrote:
> > "elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1104725368.324684.64530@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Mick R. wrote:
> > > > "elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1104715981.651890.225050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Art S wrote:
> > > > > > "elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous
> to my
> > > > > health.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a
> > > "bulking
> > > > > cycle"?
> > > > >
> > > > > No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice cubes, no
> whip,
> > > > > Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two more and it will be a
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
"CafeMochaskinnywithafewicecubesnowhipThankyouandhaveagooddayWhere'smydamnco
> > > > ffee" cycle.
> > >
> > > "Booya tooya!"
> > >
> > javajavajavajavajava
> >
> > Hey if I was there I'd being going one for one with you. I like good
> > coffee.
>
>
> Dude, I would so drink you under the table.
>

I'll take that gauntlet little lady

(ducking)

Now we just have to get on the same continent.
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