Bowflex Owners Keep Dogs Imprisoned

"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote in message
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> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>"Curt James" <cwj111.TakeThisOut@psu.edu> wrote:
>>> David <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Another self-serving short story by our resident athlete yearning for
>>>>attention again.
>>>>
>>>>"Dally" <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote
>>>>> Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.
>>>>People are judged by the friends they keep
>>>
>>> Bloody hell, David. SUCKS FOR YOU! Because, yeah, I'm a bonafide
>>> troll! Well, according to what'shisface. (Who, btw, looks NOTHING like
>>> G. Gordon Liddy
>>
>>Well, that;s the cross I have to bear! (yes I agree looks absolutely
>>nothing
>>like Liddy.
>
> That's just what some folks say.

Maybe the resemblance is in your demeanor or persona but I don't see much of
a physical resemblance

> BTW, I was trying to figure out where I had seen an image like Curt's.
> I think I found it ...
>
> http://www.rustyiron.net/rugby_ball.jpg

Ha ha! (sorry Curt but that is mildly amusing)
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JMW <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote in news:rnehr1dd1rgg88m9oa11o4hivfs3a7a757@
4ax.com:

> Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>JMW wrote:
>>> Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>JMW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Do these friends have very strong religious and/or political views?
>>>>>Just curious.
>>>>
>>>>They are strongly anti-religious, in the same way Cohen is. They
think
>>>>that faith is a failure of intelligence or a lack of imagination or
>>>>evidence of poor scientific training. (One of them was my lab partner
>>>>in physics classes many years ago.)
>>>>
>>>>Their belief in lack of belief is strongly held.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fits the profile. What they believe in wasn't important; it's how
>>> adamant their beliefs are.
>>>
>>> There's no sense in you trying to tell them anything. They already
>>> think they have the answer, and they can't imagine why you don't treat
>>> your dog the same.
>>
>>Hmmm, I guess that makes me the same, too. Not being able to imagine
>>why they don't treat their dog the same, I mean. It partially shakes me
>>up so much because I always considered them to be Master Dog Owners.
>>They are the child-free sort that dote on their dogs. I've watched them
>>dance attendance on their dogs for years. I just never realized before
>>how vastly different their relationship is with their dogs than mine is
>>with my dog.
>>
>>Meanwhile, at this moment they're probably posting over on
>>alt.support.child-free about the horrible invasion of children they just
>>endured. They took off their shoes and waved smelly feet in the air,
>>one tired child cried on the floor without his mother intervening, they
>>constantly needed breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner, games, etc etc etc.
>>I'm sure they're more horrified by me and mine then I was about them and
>>theirs.
>
> They would have raised children the same way: overprotected and
> repressed. And those children would have become utterly intolerable
> adults. And their parents would be mystified as to why that occurred.
>

"Overprotected and repressed." Ain't it the truth. Be glad they don't have
kids.

Hugh


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Lee Michaels wrote:
> It is my understanding that the dog brain has a large portion of itself
> dedicated to the sense of smell. One of the reasons you take a dog for
> walks is to allow that portion of the brain to be exercised. A dog who goes
> out and smells things on a regular basis is neurologically healthier than
> dogs who just lay around at home or are penned and crated all the time.
>
> Therefore, the dog mistreatment and delusions that your friends share are
> causing DOGGIE BRAIN DAMAGE!!
>
> Not that anybody seems to care. Perhaps they want to make the dog's brains
> as damaged as their own.
>
> Or something.

It really boils down to one thing. If you don't want a dog, don't get
one. If you don't want to take a dog out and let him do dog things, you
don't want a dog. Anyone who thinks crating a dog is a valid
alternative to teaching him not to steal food from the dinner table is
an idiot.

I don't even know why we are commenting on this. These people are
morons. They should have plants. Or cats. I hate cats.

Stephen Nishio
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote
> "Dally" <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote
>>
>> (What my friends consider "endangering" is attractive smells that the
>> dogs would investigate, thereby running off with some risk of never being
>> found again.)
>>
> Maybe Mr Cohen can help me with this one.

I charge by the hour.

> It is my understanding that the dog brain has a large portion of itself
> dedicated to the sense of smell. One of the reasons you take a dog for
> walks is to allow that portion of the brain to be exercised. A dog who
> goes out and smells things on a regular basis is neurologically healthier
> than dogs who just lay around at home or are penned and crated all the
> time.
>
> Therefore, the dog mistreatment and delusions that your friends share are
> causing DOGGIE BRAIN DAMAGE!!
>
> Not that anybody seems to care. Perhaps they want to make the dog's
> brains as damaged as their own.
>
> Or something.

Something.

Dogs are incredibly social, emotional, animals. Their psychological health
is more important than their physical. I, and most dogs I suspect, would
rather see a dog have a slightly shorter, happy. life, than an emotionally
sterile, longer, life.

This is the worst case, that I have ever heard of, of dogs being physically
extremely well cared for, and severely psychologically damaged. Worse than
labs using dogs in medical experiments. And with absolutely no excuse.

David
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In article <ySfuf.1360$ZA2.445@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Not that anybody seems to care. Perhaps they want to make the dog's
> > brains as damaged as their own.
> >
> > Or something.
>
> Something.
>
> Dogs are incredibly social, emotional, animals. Their psychological health
> is more important than their physical. I, and most dogs I suspect, would
> rather see a dog have a slightly shorter, happy. life, than an emotionally
> sterile, longer, life.
>
> This is the worst case, that I have ever heard of, of dogs being physically
> extremely well cared for, and severely psychologically damaged. Worse than
> labs using dogs in medical experiments. And with absolutely no excuse.
>
> David

The worst case of dog abuse in History:

http://www.spacetoday.org/Astronauts/Animals/Dogs.html
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Om.

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Lee Michaels wrote:

> "Dally" laments

>>I'm still not getting how you establish who is boss by poisoning food she
>>is expected to eat when we're not there.
>
> Uhhhh....., Dally, curb your Stephan King imagination now.

Is it showing? We were just talking about Stephen King. (I spent New
Year's in his town in Maine.)

> We are not talking arsenic or rat poison here. We are talking about what you
> have on your spice shelf or what you can buy at the store.

What would you recommend? I seem to recall some sort of bitter apple
thing we had for furniture when she was a puppy. (She had a brief phase
where she was too interested in the turned legs of some antique furniture.)

> And we are talking about a begavior that you tolerate. Setting up booby
> traps everywhere would indicate clearly that you will no longer tolerate it.
> Ela has gotten away with this for quite some time. It will take a dramatic
> gesture to change her behavior.

The interesting thing about this is that we NEVER tolerated it. From
the beginning we've done some combination of aversion therapy, crating
her and putting away food. It's just that there have been enough
slip-ups over enough time so the cumulative lesson to her is that if she
tries hard enough long enough she'll get something to eat somehow.

To have a fail-safe mechanism for making her avoid food I think we'd
have to institute some sort of lockdown on food that would be traumatic
to the children who live here. I'm picturing patting them down as they
enter the house to see if they left a brownie or pack of gum in their
coat pocket and setting guards at the three kitchen doors. (Three kids,
three doors, it could work.) We could change this, but are we willing
to change enough to make it happen?

I'll go try some aversion therapy. It tickles me to contemplate bitter
apple on the bread. But I know it won't stop the behavior completely.
It's too hard-wired.

Dally
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Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote:

re dogs in crates, however large or small, and how it all relates to
Dally

>If you can't talk frankly about how being unwilling
>to face up to your responsibilities leads to needlessly
>cruel behavior,

This is getting a little too dramatic, in my opinion.

Dog brain damage? Dog persecution, abuse, etc.

Slow-moving cancers that will painfully eat the dogowners ALIVE!

Dear dog lovers,

Please get a life.

>how can you raise your kids?

Jeebus. Stop being a freak, would you?

Or, no, it's me. Let me jump on this bandwagon immediately:

DALLY, HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF!!!!???!?!?!?

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Curt James wrote:

> DALLY, HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF!!!!???!?!?!?

It's easier without a fire hose, I'll grant you that.

Dally
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Stephen wrote:

> It is way late now but even so you have to make the dog associate
> something bad with eating your food.
<snip>
> you should at
> least be able to get her to the point where you can leave food on the
> table when you are in the room.

Just to clarify, the dog doesn't eat food while we're in the room, just
unattended food. And sometimes things we don't think of as food, like
wrapped Christmas presents (that turn out to contain food) or the
Gingerbread house (we thought of as decoration) and, of course, fruit
cake. (I have to admit to being relieved that she ate it, not me.)

Dally
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:56:25 -0600, John Hanson
<jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:

<snip>

Invisible fencing doesn't work for all dogs.
IInvisible fencing doesn't prevent other dogs (and others in general)
from coming into Buddy's territory.
>
Frontline is not infallible.

There are a number of things to take into consideration when deciding
whether or not to let a dog go off leash.
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:51:59 GMT, damifino.TakeThisOut@oldman.org wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

>On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:56:25 -0600, John Hanson
><jhanson.TakeThisOut@northernlinks.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>Invisible fencing doesn't work for all dogs.
>IInvisible fencing doesn't prevent other dogs (and others in general)
>from coming into Buddy's territory.

Yes, Buddy enjoys having friends over. He's extremely friendly with
other dogs and he's big enough to take care of himself. He also gets
Heartguard every month along with Frontline.

>>
>Frontline is not infallible.

It's guaranteed and I've seen it work. Even so, is getting a tick a
death sentence?

>
>There are a number of things to take into consideration when deciding
>whether or not to let a dog go off leash.
>
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

> How many clones of Josef Mengele did the Nazis produce?

.. . . . . . . . . . . .

>This is the worst case, that I have ever heard of, of dogs being physically
>extremely well cared for, and severely psychologically damaged. Worse than
>labs using dogs in medical experiments. And with absolutely no excuse.


The behavior of these people is very disturbing and I would be
surprised if the dogs haven't been psychologically warped.

IOTOH, I wouldn't compare these deluded, ignorant but apparently
well-intentioned dogs owners to Dr. Josef Mengele and his depraved
experimentation on human beings.
>
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"Dally" wrote

> Stephen wrote:
>
>> It is way late now but even so you have to make the dog associate
>> something bad with eating your food.
> <snip>
>> you should at least be able to get her to the point where you can leave
>> food on the table when you are in the room.
>
> Just to clarify, the dog doesn't eat food while we're in the room, just
> unattended food. And sometimes things we don't think of as food, like
> wrapped Christmas presents (that turn out to contain food) or the
> Gingerbread house (we thought of as decoration) and, of course, fruit
> cake. (I have to admit to being relieved that she ate it, not me.)
>
You better watch it there Dally.

You could get busted by the ASPCA if they knew that you fed fruit cake to
your dog.
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