Weight loss with elliptical

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:26:24 -0400, Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:

>Martha S. Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> 147.5 this morning. I'm 5'6" and maintaining a 60 lb loss for over 2
>> years. I'd still like to lose another 20 lb of fat, but at the same time
>> I've recently started working w/ a trainer and my goals are to increase
>> my strength and LBM. Since I'm quite sure I still qualify as a newbie,
>> I'm hoping that I can do those things while still losing fat or at least
>> maintaining my status quo. My weight is almost exactly the same as it
>> was when I started strength training, but some of my measurements are
>> down an inch or so, so I think everything is trending in the right
>> direction.
>
>Welcome to the group, Martha, but immediately stop using your real name!
> You will live to regret it someday. Anonymous is the way to go!

Who said that?

Must be some "anonymous" person!! ;o)
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Martha S. Gallagher wrote:

> I've been posting to usenet using my real name since at least 1995
> (probably earlier, but that's as far as google can find me). So far, no
> one's hunted me down and killed me. I even used to post my contact
> information on the neijia list and *that* was a tough room. I'm afraid
> I'm just not interesting enough to get my own stalker.
>
> Sad, really, but there it is.
>
> <g>

That was all true for me, too. But then I got kids (who are active
online) and a business and started to want to compartmentalize my life.
What I'm saying is that your life changes and some day you might wish
you hadn't let it all hang out there like that. Oh, and the internet
changed, too. It's not just google, there are a ton of places carrying
usenet feeds and pretending its their own content and selling ads based
on what we wrote. They obstruct email info but the way you're quoted
shows up.

Look, I'm just telling you that it's a good idea. I don't give a rat's
ass if you do it or not. You make an easier target than me, now, and
that's fine with me.

Dally
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:11 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
<abuse.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

>> I know that a low intensity program is ideal to lose weight
>
>No. The more calories you burn, the better.
>
>> (about 60-70% of max cardio rate
>> for at least 30-40 minutes). With this type of
>
>More like 80-90%. Only do less than that if you're tired from
>previous workouts.

Yes, but you're a pretty well trained runner, Donovan.

Do you really think that the typical "wants to lose weight"
person can really stay at 80-90% of his max HR for 30-40
minutes?

I'd say you'd have to pretty near elite anyway to do that
and if you were, you wouldn't be worrying about losing
a few pounds or using an elliptical?

I suspect that a chubby person who tried to lose weight
your way would give up after 5 minutes or less and probably
never try again.

--
Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is
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The Bill Rodgers wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:11 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
> <abuse DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2005-08-16, Misael <mezzmonn DeleteThis @libero.it> wrote:
>>> First of all, sorry for my english, I'll try to explain what I need
>>> to know
>>>
>>> I have to lose weight and don't know if elliptical cross trainers
>>> are ok.
>>
>> They're very good.
>>
>>> I know that a low intensity program is ideal to lose weight
>>
>> No. The more calories you burn, the better.
>>
>
> Correct, but you'll burn more over the course of the day if you do a
> long, slow run of one hour.
>
> TBR

Let's see a cite for that claim. What % of post WO calorie burn do you get
from running?
--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:16:25 +0000, Helgi Briem
<HelgiBriem_1.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:11 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
><abuse.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> I know that a low intensity program is ideal to lose weight
>>
>>No. The more calories you burn, the better.
>>
>>> (about 60-70% of max cardio rate
>>> for at least 30-40 minutes). With this type of
>>
>>More like 80-90%. Only do less than that if you're tired from
>>previous workouts.
>
>Yes, but you're a pretty well trained runner, Donovan.
>
>Do you really think that the typical "wants to lose weight"
>person can really stay at 80-90% of his max HR for 30-40
>minutes?
>
>I'd say you'd have to pretty near elite anyway to do that
>and if you were, you wouldn't be worrying about losing
>a few pounds or using an elliptical?
>
>I suspect that a chubby person who tried to lose weight
>your way would give up after 5 minutes or less and probably
>never try again.

What you say is absolutely correct Helgi! ;o)
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On 2005-08-17, Helgi Briem <HelgiBriem_1 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:11 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
><abuse RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> I know that a low intensity program is ideal to lose weight
>>
>>No. The more calories you burn, the better.
>>
>>> (about 60-70% of max cardio rate
>>> for at least 30-40 minutes). With this type of
>>
>>More like 80-90%. Only do less than that if you're tired from
>>previous workouts.
>
> Yes, but you're a pretty well trained runner, Donovan.
>
> Do you really think that the typical "wants to lose weight"
> person can really stay at 80-90% of his max HR for 30-40
> minutes?

Yep. As long as the exercise is relatively enjoyable for them.
Beginning runners, and people in aerobics classes (e.g. cardio
box) stay well above 80% on a regular basis.

> I'd say you'd have to pretty near elite anyway to do that
> and if you were, you wouldn't be worrying about losing
> a few pounds or using an elliptical?

No. The difference between the fit and unfit person is that
the fit person can produce more power at 80-90%. Both are able
to sustain 80-90% for about the same amount of time.

> I suspect that a chubby person who tried to lose weight
> your way would give up after 5 minutes or less and probably
> never try again.

Most chubby people quit after 5 minutes or less regardless. To
be succesful takes some motivation. However, 80-90% is not
exceptionally painful or difficult.

In fact, one thing I've noticed in helping out beginning runners
is that it's harder to get them to train at below 90% (and
damn near impossible to get them to go under 70%) than it is
to get them to train above 80%.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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In article <3mflihF16fca6U2 RemoveThis @individual.net>,
Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> writes:
[snip]
>
> Welcome to the group, Martha, but immediately stop using your real name!
> You will live to regret it someday. Anonymous is the way to go!

Dally, I know you're disturbed over John "Charles" Hudson's
behaviour, but you should probably just let it go. Yeah, he's being
an arse. What can you do? That's just the way he is. As far as
your identity: Unless you do all your on-line activities though an
anonymizing proxy service and use a pseudonym from Day 1, there's
little you can do about it. When I first got on Usenet, before
Internet connections were common even for businesses, using real
identities was pretty common. By the time employing pseudonyms
started appearing "necessary," it was far too late for me. So I just
don't worry about it. Most Usenet/Internet "old-timers" don't worry
about it.

John "Charles" Hudson does what he does to you because it obviously
works. He enjoys playing the arse and getting reactions. The
solution to this problem ought to be obvious.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
jseymour RemoveThis @LinxNet.com | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876
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Dopey Bastard wrote:

> As far as
> your identity: Unless you do all your on-line activities though an
> anonymizing proxy service and use a pseudonym from Day 1, there's
> little you can do about it. When I first got on Usenet, before
> Internet connections were common even for businesses, using real
> identities was pretty common. By the time employing pseudonyms
> started appearing "necessary," it was far too late for me. So I just
> don't worry about it. Most Usenet/Internet "old-timers" don't worry
> about it.

I went through this in great detail back in January why I preferred not
to use my real name and I don't need to go into it again. Suffice to
say that I care. I don't care if you judge it as worthy of caring or not.

I don't really care if other people just shrug and go with it, but I was
one of those people who got on originally with my real name in the early
90's without thinking through the implications. I wish someone had told
me how much I'd regret it. So I pass that message on.

I'm naive and kind and work with kind-hearted people. It still stuns me
when people turn out to be hate-filled intent on malicious bullying. I
can't quite believe people are that awful. But I've been persuaded.
I'm not equipped emotion-wise or caliber-wise to handle it. I know the
implications of that.

Dally
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In article <3mgor3F16f5agU1 RemoveThis @individual.net>, Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com>
wrote:

> Dopey Bastard wrote:
>
> > As far as
> > your identity: Unless you do all your on-line activities though an
> > anonymizing proxy service and use a pseudonym from Day 1, there's
> > little you can do about it. When I first got on Usenet, before
> > Internet connections were common even for businesses, using real
> > identities was pretty common. By the time employing pseudonyms
> > started appearing "necessary," it was far too late for me. So I just
> > don't worry about it. Most Usenet/Internet "old-timers" don't worry
> > about it.
>
> I went through this in great detail back in January why I preferred not
> to use my real name and I don't need to go into it again. Suffice to
> say that I care. I don't care if you judge it as worthy of caring or not.
>
> I don't really care if other people just shrug and go with it, but I was
> one of those people who got on originally with my real name in the early
> 90's without thinking through the implications. I wish someone had told
> me how much I'd regret it. So I pass that message on.
>
> I'm naive and kind and work with kind-hearted people. It still stuns me
> when people turn out to be hate-filled intent on malicious bullying. I
> can't quite believe people are that awful. But I've been persuaded.
> I'm not equipped emotion-wise or caliber-wise to handle it. I know the
> implications of that.
>
> Dally

You are too nice (and trusting) for your own good.

If any group on usenet will break you of that, this one will. <lol>

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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On 2005-08-17, Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:
> Martha S. Gallagher wrote:
>
>> I've been posting to usenet using my real name since at least 1995
>> (probably earlier, but that's as far as google can find me). So far, no
>> one's hunted me down and killed me. I even used to post my contact
>> information on the neijia list and *that* was a tough room. I'm afraid
>> I'm just not interesting enough to get my own stalker.
>>
>> Sad, really, but there it is.
>>
>> <g>
>
> That was all true for me, too. But then I got kids (who are active
> online) and a business and started to want to compartmentalize my life.
> What I'm saying is that your life changes and some day you might wish
> you hadn't let it all hang out there like that.

Yeah, but you don't get to change your mind. Neither does she for that matter.

> Look, I'm just telling you that it's a good idea. I don't give a rat's
> ass if you do it or not. You make an easier target than me, now, and
> that's fine with me.

No, you make an easier target because you react to everything. If this stuff
bothers you, make use of killfiles. But I'd recommend just developing a thick
skin. As far as killfiles are concerned, I'm with the "John Williams school".

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
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Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:

> That was all true for me, too. But then I got kids (who are active
> online) and a business and started to want to compartmentalize my life.
> What I'm saying is that your life changes and some day you might wish you
> hadn't let it all hang out there like that.

Actually, what you're saying is that *your* life changed and *you* wish
you hadn't let it all hang out there like that. You don't know what
Martha's situation is, and it's not up to you to tell her how she should
or shouldn't run her life.
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:08:47 -0000, dbastard.RemoveThis@LinxNet.com (Dopey
Bastard) wrote:

>In article <3mflihF16fca6U2.RemoveThis@individual.net>,
> Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> writes:
>[snip]
>>
>> Welcome to the group, Martha, but immediately stop using your real name!
>> You will live to regret it someday. Anonymous is the way to go!
>
>Dally, I know you're disturbed over John "Charles" Hudson's
>behaviour, but you should probably just let it go. Yeah, he's being
>an arse. What can you do? That's just the way he is. As far as
>your identity: Unless you do all your on-line activities though an
>anonymizing proxy service and use a pseudonym from Day 1, there's
>little you can do about it.

Or you can avoid getting into pissing competitions with people if you
don't have the stomach for it!! ;o)

>When I first got on Usenet, before
>Internet connections were common even for businesses, using real
>identities was pretty common. By the time employing pseudonyms
>started appearing "necessary," it was far too late for me. So I just
>don't worry about it. Most Usenet/Internet "old-timers" don't worry
>about it.
>
>John "Charles" Hudson does what he does to you because it obviously
>works. He enjoys playing the arse and getting reactions. The
>solution to this problem ought to be obvious.

You may be a "dopey bastard" Jim, but you're a lot smarter than
Dally!! ;o)

John "Charles" Hudson
www.fitnwell.net
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In article <3mgor3F16f5agU1.RemoveThis@individual.net>,
Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> writes:
[snip]
>
> I went through this in great detail back in January why I preferred not
> to use my real name and I don't need to go into it again. Suffice to
> say that I care. I don't care if you judge it as worthy of caring or not.
[snip]

I'm not "judging" it as "worthy" of caring about or not. What I'm
suggesting is that responding to Mr. Hudson's baiting you isn't going
to make the problem go away. All you're doing by responding is
empowering the very behaviour to which you *say* you object.

This is the last I'll say on the subject. Do what you want, Dally.
But don't be surprised when the result of feeding a troll is that it
continues to thrive.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
jseymour.RemoveThis@LinxNet.com | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876
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