One heavy dumbbell workout of death

<falooley RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Damn Google is your friend:
> http://www.slidetour.com/sample1/display/turkish_getup/turkish_getup.html

That's the overhead squat version of the TGU - the more common version
is to get up via one foot and one knee. The ohs version takes a bit
more flexibility.

Cool how that link is put together as a series of photos that play
themselves - works well.

> I think I'll start with Dumbells.

I've seen people do this with their kids - anything heavy will suffice.
Needless to say, I use a kettlebell for the TGU.

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Steve Freides wrote:
> That's the overhead squat version of the TGU - the more common version
> is to get up via one foot and one knee. The ohs version takes a bit
> more flexibility.

I use the "get up any way you can" method, myself. Damn, that guy in
the slideshow is some kind of strong.

Neil
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In article <11fk7imge6a2k09 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com>,
Neil Gendzwill <ngendzwill DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> Steve Freides wrote:
> > That's the overhead squat version of the TGU - the more common version
> > is to get up via one foot and one knee. The ohs version takes a bit
> > more flexibility.
>
> I use the "get up any way you can" method, myself. Damn, that guy in
> the slideshow is some kind of strong.

Yeah, but I think those are 2.5 kg bumpers, not 15 kgs. I've seen yellow
2.5's used for special 'O' competitions and they look like that. If they
are 15's he is really, really strong. If they are 2.5's he is still
strong.

2.5's means he is doing a 25 kg - 55 lbs. I'm almost positive.

--
Keith
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Hobbes wrote:
> In article <11fk7imge6a2k09.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> Neil Gendzwill <ngendzwill.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Freides wrote:
>>
>>>That's the overhead squat version of the TGU - the more common version
>>>is to get up via one foot and one knee. The ohs version takes a bit
>>>more flexibility.
>>
>>I use the "get up any way you can" method, myself. Damn, that guy in
>>the slideshow is some kind of strong.
>
>
> Yeah, but I think those are 2.5 kg bumpers, not 15 kgs. I've seen yellow
> 2.5's used for special 'O' competitions and they look like that. If they
> are 15's he is really, really strong. If they are 2.5's he is still
> strong.
>
> 2.5's means he is doing a 25 kg - 55 lbs. I'm almost positive.

OK. I could do that weight if it was a dumbbell but I think controlling
the long bar would make a huge difference. No access to try it, though.

If he's controlling a pair of 15s on that bar, colour me impressed.

Neil
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Oy. Somehow, I think that 50 lbs. is not something I'd want to try
with that exercise. It does look cool, though.

LM
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:

> Dumbbell snatches, single dumbbell front squat to press, leg presses
> (actually the machine they've got is more of a squat machine), pull-ups,
> dips, wall sits.

Thanks Neil. I always like to see what other folks are doing.

Pierre
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T wrote:

> For strength, heavy full squats twice a week are 80%.

No access to barbells, sad to say. Plus, I'm not interested in pure
strength so much as speed. If I can't do the move explosively, I lower
the weight.

>
> Heavy waist work: barbell crunches, side bends or suitcase deadlifts,
> iron boot reverse trunk twists, maybe remedial dumbbell breathing if you
> need it.

Why? I think the get-ups, squats and snatches are giving me plenty of
core strength. I've got maybe 45 minutes, twice/week in the gym - I get
the most bang for my buck with more whole body work.

I'd do deads if I could but frankly a pair of 75s is all I have to work
with and it ain't enough. I tried a farmer's walk the other day with
the 75s, that seems OK.

> Upper body stuff: I'll bet heavy pullovers balanced with heavy swings or
> front raises would affect your kendo, ouch. Are your db handles long
> enough for a sword grip?

I've used dumbbells to do suburi with before, one hand at a time or in
pairs but I think the other exercises hit the arms at least as well as
those. I'm plenty strong in the upper body for kendo, unless I wanted to
switch to nito (two sword style) but that isn't happening.

Neil
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I tried for the first time today, at my new Job's office building's
gym, I started with the 15 lb dumbell.

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>With the heavy swings (lots of choices here: one db or two, inside or out or
>mixed) my overriding concern was to not hit myself. Hitting yourself in the
>knee with a hard-swung heavy db could be very, very, very, very, very bad.

True, though I found that if I hold the dumbbell with both hands and
stand with a relatively wide stance, my knees are relatively safe.
Admittedly, I use fairly light db's by this group's standards.

LM
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Neil Gendzwill wrote:

> T wrote:
>
>> For strength, heavy full squats twice a week are 80%.
>
> No access to barbells, sad to say. Plus, I'm not interested in pure
> strength so much as speed. If I can't do the move explosively, I lower
> the weight.

Unless you can squat double bodyweight, strength is speed. Even for advanced
guys it's fundamental: squat heavy AND do speed work, if you're ready for it.
>>
>> Heavy waist work: barbell crunches, side bends or suitcase deadlifts,
>> iron boot reverse trunk twists, maybe remedial dumbbell breathing if
>> you need it.
>
> Why? I think the get-ups, squats and snatches are giving me plenty of
> core strength. I've got maybe 45 minutes, twice/week in the gym - I get
> the most bang for my buck with more whole body work.

No argument with the squats and snatches; 50# is light for waist work but if
your dbs only go up to 75# and you don't have barbells where you lift (?!), what
are you going to do?

Hey, if you clean two 75s can you do front squats? Very significantly harder, if
you snatch two 75s can you do overhead squats?

> I'd do deads if I could but frankly a pair of 75s is all I have to work
> with and it ain't enough. I tried a farmer's walk the other day with
> the 75s, that seems OK.

So what fails on a male judoka? Usually the 100s fall out of my hands, but your
hands are probably bigger and a lot stronger than mine, so....
>
>> Upper body stuff: I'll bet heavy pullovers balanced with heavy swings
>> or front raises would affect your kendo, ouch. Are your db handles
>> long enough for a sword grip?
>
> I've used dumbbells to do suburi with before, one hand at a time or in
> pairs but I think the other exercises hit the arms at least as well as
> those. I'm plenty strong in the upper body for kendo, unless I wanted to
> switch to nito (two sword style) but that isn't happening.
>
> Neil

If you did swings and pullovers with two 75s I'm definitely impressed.
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T wrote:

> Unless you can squat double bodyweight, strength is speed. Even for
> advanced guys it's fundamental: squat heavy AND do speed work, if you're
> ready for it.

I have a strength day and a speed day, but even on the strength days I
lift explosively. This is on Keith's advice, which I think I'll keep.

> Hey, if you clean two 75s can you do front squats? Very significantly
> harder, if you snatch two 75s can you do overhead squats?

I can't do either of those things. But I have tried the front squats,
by using my thigh to help knock the weights up. I just thought the
whole process of getting into position was too risky and ditched the idea.

Ideally I'd like access to barbells. However the gym I use is a very
nice facility otherwise, plus it's free and across the street from work,
so I'll continue to make do with what I've got.

> So what fails on a male judoka? Usually the 100s fall out of my hands,
> but your hands are probably bigger and a lot stronger than mine, so....

I found my forearms got sore to the point that my grip was going to fail.

> If you did swings and pullovers with two 75s I'm definitely impressed.

Yeah, right. Next up on the agenda: flying. No, my home-brew kendo
exercise was a pair of 10s with full suburi motion, which means swing up
to a little past overhead, then throw forward in a round motion and stop
dead with both arms straight and at shoulder height. You can see why
I'd want to keep the weights light. Even at that I was worried about
tennis elbow, which is one of the reasons I stopped.

Neil
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In article <1FPKe.134088$0f.110503@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
T <T.RemoveThis@nothingbut.net> wrote:

> Neil Gendzwill wrote:
>
> > T wrote:
> >
> >> For strength, heavy full squats twice a week are 80%.
> >
> > No access to barbells, sad to say. Plus, I'm not interested in pure
> > strength so much as speed. If I can't do the move explosively, I lower
> > the weight.
>
> Unless you can squat double bodyweight, strength is speed. Even for advanced
> guys it's fundamental: squat heavy AND do speed work, if you're ready for it.
> >>
> >> Heavy waist work: barbell crunches, side bends or suitcase deadlifts,
> >> iron boot reverse trunk twists, maybe remedial dumbbell breathing if
> >> you need it.
> >
> > Why? I think the get-ups, squats and snatches are giving me plenty of
> > core strength. I've got maybe 45 minutes, twice/week in the gym - I get
> > the most bang for my buck with more whole body work.
>
> No argument with the squats and snatches; 50# is light for waist work but if
> your dbs only go up to 75# and you don't have barbells where you lift (?!),
> what
> are you going to do?
>
> Hey, if you clean two 75s can you do front squats? Very significantly harder,
> if
> you snatch two 75s can you do overhead squats?
>
> > I'd do deads if I could but frankly a pair of 75s is all I have to work
> > with and it ain't enough. I tried a farmer's walk the other day with
> > the 75s, that seems OK.

50 is heavy for a turkish get-up. Have you tried it? As far as the
others go since it is an assymetrical movement he is generating
sufficient training stress for the core area. And the turkish get-up is
an overhead squat plus more movement.
>
> So what fails on a male judoka? Usually the 100s fall out of my hands, but
> your
> hands are probably bigger and a lot stronger than mine, so....
> >
> >> Upper body stuff: I'll bet heavy pullovers balanced with heavy swings
> >> or front raises would affect your kendo, ouch. Are your db handles
> >> long enough for a sword grip?
> >
> > I've used dumbbells to do suburi with before, one hand at a time or in
> > pairs but I think the other exercises hit the arms at least as well as
> > those. I'm plenty strong in the upper body for kendo, unless I wanted to
> > switch to nito (two sword style) but that isn't happening.
> >
> > Neil
>
> If you did swings and pullovers with two 75s I'm definitely impressed.

I doubt it is strength/endurance that fails. Strength is very specific.
So the snatches generate a fair bit of grip strength due to the high
rate of force development.

--
Keith
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Larisa wrote:

>>With the heavy swings (lots of choices here: one db or two, inside or out or
>>mixed) my overriding concern was to not hit myself. Hitting yourself in the
>>knee with a hard-swung heavy db could be very, very, very, very, very bad.
>
>
> True, though I found that if I hold the dumbbell with both hands and
> stand with a relatively wide stance, my knees are relatively safe.
> Admittedly, I use fairly light db's by this group's standards.
>
> LM

Don't be so sure, Larisa. Sometimes I suspect the guys here are all so
busy smooching their dogs and petting their guns that they haven't gone
near a gym in ages.

Dally
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