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Ignoramus912:
> In article <slrnbnulla.16sm.scott RemoveThis @pong.telerama.com>, Scott Safier wrote:
>> Ignoramus21054:
>>> In article <ADlfb.12376$Rd4.3824@fed1read07>, Marcello wrote:
>>>> Wow, congrats on those great numbers! Where would you reccomend getting a
>>>> good pedometer? Also, can you elaborate on your food diary. I have done
>>>> this before and has some success with it but eventually lost interest when
>>>> my improvments from dieting plateued. But my diary mainly consisted of me
>>>> writing eveyr thing I ate down thus restricting my calories. What is the
>>>> goal with the diary?
>>>
>>> I am not frankly sure what is the purpose of a pedometer.
>>
>> This is the easier question The purpose of such devices is to
>> provide information and feedback. Why a pedometer? Because, if your
>> goal is weight loss, you should move more -- walk, run, jog, (bike).
>> With a device like a pedometer, you get a number from which you can
>> baseline. If you took 10,000 steps yesterday, and take 11,000 today,
>> you've done better.
>
> but I can accomplish the same thing with a watch? Walk 1.5 hours
> today, 100 minutes tomorrow, etc. Walking speed is fairly constant for
> most people...

Yes, and if people walk around a track or a mall, then distance is known.

>> So, the simple answer is that most people simply want information and
>> feedback. How good is that feedback is the real problem.
>
> Exactly. You get some number which is not very relevant, and the
> relevant parts of it can be provided with other devices such as a
> watch and knowing how far you went.
>
>> I bet you knew most of this, didn't you
>
> I am always open to new ideas... I was considering buying a pedometer,
> and decided against it based on the reasoning that I explained above.

That may be what's right for you. Other people's mileage may vary.
Some people may like the additional information a pedometer provides
as simply another measure of performance.


--
Scott http://www.pink-triangle.org/scott
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"Stand firm for what you believe in until or unless logic or experience prove
you wrong. Remember, when the emperor looks naked the emperor is naked. The
truth and a lie are not sort of the same thing. And there's no aspect, no
facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza." -- Daria
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Ignoramus912:
> In article <slrnbnun8n.16sm.scott.DeleteThis@pong.telerama.com>, Scott Safier wrote:
>> Marcello:
>>>
>>> "Scott Safier" <scott.DeleteThis@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnbnr528.9p8.scott@pong.telerama.com...
>>>
>>>> I got down to 6% this past summer by doing lots of aerobics (I bike
>>>> (like 3 hours a day)) and eating a high protein diet. very little
>>>> muscle loss. Oh, and I'm 40 y/o.
>>>>
>>>> As has been pointed out, it's both diet and exercise. It's also
>>>> commitment and discipline. Things like pedometers, food diaries, (and
>>>> wearable computers) provide information to help achieve your goals, but
>>>> in the end, it's really up to you.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, congrats on those great numbers! Where would you reccomend getting a
>>> good pedometer?
>>
>> I tend to agree with the other poster that the value of pedometers is
>> limited. A simple step count is one source of information, but
>> doesn't really tell you how many calories you are burning.
>
> www.caloriesperhour.com

It assumes a constant mets value on a particular grade (probably flat)
with no encumberance. Add leg or arm weights, and the calories go up.
Walking up hills or steps is harder (burns more calories) than walking
on flat pavement.

>>>Also, can you elaborate on your food diary. I have done
>>> this before and has some success with it but eventually lost interest when
>>> my improvments from dieting plateued. But my diary mainly consisted of me
>>> writing eveyr thing I ate down thus restricting my calories. What is the
>>> goal with the diary?
>>
>> The goal is this idea of energy balance or caloric balance. If you
>> want to lose weight, you need to burn more calories than you are
>> consuming (and, I would argue, pay attention to the type of calories
>> you are consuming). People burn calories through exercise and
>> movement (e.g. walking more).
>
> Correct! Plus they lose calories through increased metabolism when
> they develop bigger or more active muscles due to specific training.

I think I've seen a recent study that disputes this increased
metabolism thing. I might be misremembering it though.

>> A food diary is half the energy balance equation. Basically, it is a
>> record of how many calories you are consuming -- what you are eating,
>> size of portion, etc. To be blunt, they are a pain in the ass. There
>> are systems to make them easier, like Weight Watchers or a variety of
>> websites. There are studies (which I have at work) that show that
>> people are very bad at keeping food diaries -- people underestimate
>> what they are eating. However, if you are serious about weight loss,
>> you need some method of understanding how many calories you are
>> putting into your body, even if you make mistakes.
>
> too boring for our OP...
>
>> The other side of the equation is how many calories you are burning.
>>
>> As I've said, I work for a company that has developed a wearable
>> computer. I've had access to it. We've done clinical studies and
>> come up with algorithms to estimate caloric burn based upon the data
>> the computer's multiple sensors collect (and, please remember, I am
>> under a non-disclosure agreement on the specifics of such
>> algorithms). Our technology has been tested in clinical studies.
>> So, when it tells me that I'm burning over 3000 calories a day (and
>> I bike for 60 to 90 minutes per day), I tend to believe it is pretty
>> much on target.
>
>
>> When I bike for 3 hours a day and the device tells
>> me I'm burning over 5000 calories, I believe that.
>
> and I do not...

Your math is wrong.

> Please!!!!

Your math is wrong, as are some of your assumptions.

> Assuming you normally bike for 90 minutes and spend 3000 cal, and when
> you nike for 180 minutes you spend 5,000 calories.

Your assumptions are wrong.

> Even most strenuous exercise (running at 11 mph) tends not to burn
> that much per hour. (5000-3000)/1.5 = 1,333 calories per hour.
>
> And biking is generally easier.

Well, no it is not. Biking at 11 mph is easier than running at 11mph,
but I bike a lot faster than that.

> You would have to do some fairly
> extreme stuff to spend that many calories.

The number is between 750-1000 calories per hour for my biking. Since
I'm not being very precise here, and you would like me to be, try
these numbers.

baseline: 2200 calories per day (1440 * 1.6 mets (resting mets for
moderate to heavy exerciser (I think biking for about 3 hours
qualifies) (1.8 is used for competitive athletes)))

bike 3.25 hours @ 750 calories/hour = 2450 (that's 12.5 mets, which is
on the low-end (biking about 16 mph) -- at 14 mets the number is
about 2730 calories)

weight lifting for .5 hours = 100 calories

total 24 hour calorie burn -- 4750

And since my average biking speed is about 20 miles per hour, and
since I chose a low mets value for my biking, that's about right.

Now, before you go "OH PLEASE" and tell us what you don't believe,
maybe you should get more "data", check your figures and validate your
assumptions. Also, don't play silly games (like when I say (beween 60
and 90 minutes, picking the 90 for your miscalculations when 60 gives
a different number)). Of course, you could apologize, but I don't
expect you to.

>> adjust how much I'm eating to either maintain or lose weight.
>>
>> As I pointed out in my other post, this is all about feedback. The
>> food diary and the pedometer/wearable computer/etc simply provide
>> information about how well you are doing. Your bathroom scale also
>> provides that feedback, as does a mirror.
>
> I lost 47 lbs using bathroom scale as my only feedback device. I ate a
> known amount of food every day and walked a known amount of time (100
> min). Plus was doing various exercises, strengt training etc. Recently
> started rope climbing. I empirically found a level where I was losing
> weight and yet I was not starving. I did not know my calorie counts
> and so on, but I did not want to base my decisions on fairly fuzzy
> numbers. Counting calories in food is notoriously imprecise.

People are notoriously good at dealing with fuzzy information. They
satisfice, approximate, estimate and compensate. It's what you did
with your empirical tests to determine how much to eat and how much to
exercise. Other people need more help. If someone goes to a
nutritionist or doctor to lose weight, most likely they will be told
to keep a food diary.

>> However, the scale provides
>> a more coarse granularity (say, over a week or a month timeframe) than
>> does a pedometer (or wearable computer), which can provide daily (or
>> even hourly or at any minute) information.
>
> information is what you can use to make decisions. The rest is "data".

"data" is information. It is how you reason about the information
that makes the difference. Some people need more information than
others.

>> As a computer geek, I tend to believe there is value in information,
>> and sometimes more is better. For weight management, information
>> comes in two flavors -- how much you are putting in and how much you
>> are expending. Food diaries and pedometers/wearable computers/caloric
>> burn numbers on treadmills/etc are the two sides of this scale.
>
> I think that pedometers provide extra motivation for some exercisers
> and that is already great.

Some people find this information useful.


--
Scott http://www.pink-triangle.org/scott
AOL IM: CorwinScot YahooIM: CycleMuscle

"Stand firm for what you believe in until or unless logic or experience prove
you wrong. Remember, when the emperor looks naked the emperor is naked. The
truth and a lie are not sort of the same thing. And there's no aspect, no
facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza." -- Daria
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"Ignoramus912" <ignoramus912 DeleteThis @NOSPAM.912.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <anCfb.15802$Rd4.14588@fed1read07>, Marcello wrote:
> >
> > "Ignoramus21054" <ignoramus21054 DeleteThis @NOSPAM.21054.invalid> wrote in message
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> >> In article <dcofb.12691$Rd4.1825@fed1read07>, Marcello wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Ignoramus21054" <ignoramus21054 DeleteThis @NOSPAM.21054.invalid> wrote in
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> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Why can't you concentrate on both calories as well as exercise?
> >> >>
> >> >> I do not understand why you think that you have to choose what to
> >> >> concentrate on. You can and should do both.
> >> >
> >> > I just do not want to burn muscle away. I could problably go on
1/10th
> > the
> >> > amount of calories I get and drop a ton of weight, but this is not
what
> > I
> >> > want to do because I would be losing muscle mass I have worked so
> >> > diligiently on for years.
> >>
> >> Go on 70% the amount of calories that you would need to maintain
> >> weight and continue strength training. What's the problem, why do you
> >> want to even consider going on 1/10 the calories?
> >
> > What I was saying is that I have the discipline to be able to do that.
I
>
> I hope not! And if you do have discipline to do stupid things, why
> would you want to?

Sorry, you clearly missed my point which was that self discipline in not my
issue.



>
> > was using that as an extreme example, not something I would actually
> > do. The thing is, every bodybuilding magazine I read always
> > discusses the importance of getting the proper amount of food
> > consumption to allow muscles to rebuild properly.
>
> of course, how well do you think they could sell a bodybuilding
> magazine with a boring message, "eat less, exercise more"?
>
> Check out some books on Navy Seal training (search for Navy Seal on
> amazon). See what they advocate eating and how they explain that even
> during most rigorous training, you cannot add more than 27 grams of
> protein to your muscles per day.
>
> > What worries me
> > about cutting calories is that my muscles will not have the proper
> > amount.
>
> That depends on how much you cut and how much you exercise. If you cut
> a little calories and exercise a lot, your muscles should be fine!
>
> > Cutting 70% sounds good and all but it sounds much more
> > like just a diet plan which is not what I am looking for.
>
> You are looking for something more exciting and more fun and easier,
> right?
>

I am looking to lower bodyfat as mentioned already.
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D. Smith wrote:
> I have started to walk each day in hopes of losing some weight. How
> many calories will I burn if I walk 30 minutes each day (7 days a
> week)?
Hi,
you burn in 60 min 280 calories (7 * 140)
Sabine Fleschutz
--
http://:www.3434.goodlife-2000.com Fatburner
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"Sabine Fleschutz" <fitline.TakeThisOut@allgaeu.org> wrote in message
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> D. Smith wrote:
> > I have started to walk each day in hopes of losing some weight. How
> > many calories will I burn if I walk 30 minutes each day (7 days a
> > week)?
> Hi,
> you burn in 60 min 280 calories (7 * 140)
> Sabine Fleschutz
> --
> http://:www.3434.goodlife-2000.com Fatburner
>
>

actually, it depends on your weight, and how fast your walking.
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Scott Safier wrote:

> Ignoramus21054:
> > In article <ADlfb.12376$Rd4.3824@fed1read07>, Marcello wrote:
> >> Wow, congrats on those great numbers! Where would you reccomend getting a
> >> good pedometer? Also, can you elaborate on your food diary. I have done
> >> this before and has some success with it but eventually lost interest when
> >> my improvments from dieting plateued. But my diary mainly consisted of me
> >> writing eveyr thing I ate down thus restricting my calories. What is the
> >> goal with the diary?
> >
> > I am not frankly sure what is the purpose of a pedometer.
>
> This is the easier question The purpose of such devices is to
> provide information and feedback. Why a pedometer? Because, if your
> goal is weight loss, you should move more -- walk, run, jog, (bike).
> With a device like a pedometer, you get a number from which you can
> baseline. If you took 10,000 steps yesterday, and take 11,000 today,
> you've done better. If you walk 11,000 steps and you assume that your
> rate is 3 METS, you can figure out an estimate of how many calories
> you're burning. The problem is that it isn't 3 mets. It might be 2
> mets. It might be 8. If your jogging/running it might be 13. It
> could be anywhere in between.
>
> If you want to know how many calories you are actually burning, well,
> you probably need to get in a doubly-labeled water study. Or you can
> be hooked up to an indirect calometry machine (VO2), but that is
> really inconvenient for free-living.
>
> Unabashed plug: or, you can get one of these new wearable computer
> gizmos where they do correlate to indirect calomitry and get an
> estimate of your caloric burn.
>
> So, the simple answer is that most people simply want information and
> feedback. How good is that feedback is the real problem.
>
> I bet you knew most of this, didn't you
>
> --
> Scott http://www.pink-triangle.org/scott
> AOL IM: CorwinScot YahooIM: CycleMuscle
>
> "Stand firm for what you believe in until or unless logic or experience prove
> you wrong. Remember, when the emperor looks naked the emperor is naked. The
> truth and a lie are not sort of the same thing. And there's no aspect, no
> facet, no moment of life that can't be improved with pizza." -- Daria

I suggest that people should consider increased heart rate over time. Distance
is really only one measure. The (generally) higher hear rate over time is what
the body is reacting to...not indirectly to how fast you walk or the distance.

However, most people are better motivated with a visual goal of miles or
minutes. Moving on steps or stairs at a rate that will make inhale on one step
and exhale on the other just near uncomfortable and can be sustained for over 10
minutes is around 80-90% of maximum (approximate). This can be used as a general
guide for the amount of effort a person is putting out while walking (fast or
inclined grade).

If you are interested in the miles per hour (sorry metrics people, a conversion
needed here), you can count the number of 'roman' paces (left to left foot) over
a 36 second period of time. Divide by 10 and that is about the mph you are
walking. Is most accurate on flat terrain.
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rosie read and post wrote:

> "Sabine Fleschutz" <fitline RemoveThis @allgaeu.org> wrote in message
> news:bm21h0$ng1$2@tuvok.allgaeu.org...
> > D. Smith wrote:
> > > I have started to walk each day in hopes of losing some weight. How
> > > many calories will I burn if I walk 30 minutes each day (7 days a
> > > week)?
> > Hi,
> > you burn in 60 min 280 calories (7 * 140)
> > Sabine Fleschutz
> > --
> > http://:www.3434.goodlife-2000.com Fatburner
> >
> >
>
> actually, it depends on your weight, and how fast your walking.

http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/Calories.html
http://www.shelterpub.com/_fitness/_office_fitness_clinic/OFC_calories.html

http://www.nutribase.com/exercala.htm

is an interesting chart. And yes the heavier a person the more it takes to
move the body down the road. These are approximate figures, your
performance may vary.

Note that walking a mile and running a mile takes about the same amount of
effort/calorie burn.

If you plan your walking (and watch your intake) you can knock off a 150cal
a day easy (about the amount in a can of softdrink). A pound of fat is
around 3000Kcal. Do the math... In a year or so you will be a vision of
your former self. You can help the fat reduction by lowering fats (no or
only fat free milk - read labels, waaay reduced or no sugar and alcohol, a
few more grams of protein instead of carbs helps reduce hunger pangs,
eating 6-8 small meals a day instead of one GREAT big one). You can loose
a pound a week with a little sharp pencil work and some care.

Walk to increase the heart rate. This may mean walking faster, swinging
arms, walking up hills or stairs, or even some slow easy jogging and
walking mix.

Look here for the jog/walk regime...

http://www.exrx.net/Beginning.html
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SPeacock <Xpeacock.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<3FAD4D17.10F1295D.RemoveThis@pacbell.net>...
> rosie read and post wrote:
>
> > "Sabine Fleschutz" <fitline.RemoveThis@allgaeu.org> wrote in message
> > news:bm21h0$ng1$2@tuvok.allgaeu.org...
> > > D. Smith wrote:
> > > > I have started to walk each day in hopes of losing some weight. How
> > > > many calories will I burn if I walk 30 minutes each day (7 days a
> > > > week)?
> > > Hi,
> > > you burn in 60 min 280 calories (7 * 140)
> > > Sabine Fleschutz
> > > --
> > > http://:www.3434.goodlife-2000.com Fatburner
> > >
> > >
> >
> > actually, it depends on your weight, and how fast your walking.
>
> http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/Calories.html
> http://www.shelterpub.com/_fitness/_office_fitness_clinic/OFC_calories.html
>
> http://www.nutribase.com/exercala.htm
>
> is an interesting chart. And yes the heavier a person the more it takes to
> move the body down the road. These are approximate figures, your
> performance may vary.
>
> Note that walking a mile and running a mile takes about the same amount of
> effort/calorie burn.
>
> If you plan your walking (and watch your intake) you can knock off a 150cal
> a day easy (about the amount in a can of softdrink). A pound of fat is
> around 3000Kcal. Do the math... In a year or so you will be a vision of
> your former self. You can help the fat reduction by lowering fats (no or
> only fat free milk - read labels, waaay reduced or no sugar and alcohol, a
> few more grams of protein instead of carbs helps reduce hunger pangs,
> eating 6-8 small meals a day instead of one GREAT big one). You can loose
> a pound a week with a little sharp pencil work and some care.
>
> Walk to increase the heart rate. This may mean walking faster, swinging
> arms, walking up hills or stairs, or even some slow easy jogging and
> walking mix.
>
> Look here for the jog/walk regime...
>
> http://www.exrx.net/Beginning.html

I love to walk and can go for miles without getting tired, but any
benefits are lost because I end up absolutely famished and eat like a
horse when I get home.
Any suggestions? (be kind)
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How many miles a day would you suggest you should walk before you
start burning calories??
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>
> I love to walk and can go for miles without getting tired, but any
> benefits are lost because I end up absolutely famished and eat like a
> horse when I get home.
> Any suggestions? (be kind)

Part of that hunger may actually be thirst. Be sure first you take in
adequate water or juice, before during and after your walks...(but
watch sugar/calorie content with juices). Your body is probably
craving carbs to replace what you are burning. Go easy on the bread,
pasta, enriched flours and try to stick with a good chicken breast
salad or even a low-sugar yogurt with fruit. You need a good mix of
carbs and protein along with adequate liquids to keep you feeling
satisfied without overdoing it. If you know you're going to "pig out"
at any meal, as a rule, downsize your other meals througout the day
and stay at the proper calorie intake for your goal weight.

Sue
www.getthatbody.com
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